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UA Restores 500 Mile Minimum For Elites  
User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

UA is restoring the 500 mile minimum for all elite MP Members, the change is being applied retrocativly to July 1st.

They are also adding a co-pay for Y to J/F class upgrades however they are reducing the number of miles required for the upgrade.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0...umpLink=%2F2009prgchng#restoration


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

So now it costs at least $250 and 20,000 miles each way to upgrade from economy to business class to Europe. Mileage plus is going down the tube. Maybe there will be a lawsuit against these changes like there was when AA tried to cut its mileage benefits. People spend all that time earning miles and there is a contract to do that, and then United goes and makes things more difficult. Ugh.

Now I know why I dumped flying UA loyally/exclusively (was premier executive up through 2006) and now I just fly whoever is cheapest. The mileage program use to be good enough, but now it isn't worth the perks.

UA is offering these great new seats, but making it really tough to get in them. I guess they are trying to get a payback. Makes sense economically, but it will piss a lot of people off.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Actualy todays annoucement covers a host of MP changes for 2009 including award mileage changes.

As far as the co-pay, United is following AA which has required co-pays for its mileage upgrades for some time now. The co-pay change however has a positive side, as mileage upgrades will be available on all fares, and not restricteed to only certain types as currently -- the net effect of this could be positive for many travellers who purchase the cheaper fare classes.

The 500 mile change also is a carbon copy of AA decisions two weeks ago, and followed many complaints from UA's elite flyers.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2013 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
Now I know why I dumped flying UA loyally/exclusively (was premier executive up through 2006) and now I just fly whoever is cheapest. The mileage program use to be good enough, but now it isn't worth the perks.

Wow, that's too bad... I remember way back in 2001 when I was about to fly United for the first time, and on this very discussion board, you were reassuring me that their A320 aircraft were, in fact, very nice.
I'm a CO guy now. Which, I guess, means that I'll have access to UA flights again soon, as soon as CO goes Star.

Anyhow, if UA is reinstating the 500 minimums, will Continental follow? They're yanking it away for OnePass fiscal year 2009.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1998 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
People spend all that time earning miles and there is a contract to do that, and then United goes and makes things more difficult

Actualy its now easier to upgrade, all fares are now upgradable not just the higher end Y fares. If you plan ahead and can find a cheap fare even with the co-pay you can end up paying less than the current lowest upgradable fare and use less miles to boot.



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User currently offlineJEdward From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1986 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Anyhow, if UA is reinstating the 500 minimums, will Continental follow? They're yanking it away for OnePass fiscal year 2009.

CO restored 500 mins for elite some time ago (they might have been the first to restore the benefit IIRC.)



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1949 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Wow, that's too bad... I remember way back in 2001 when I was about to fly United for the first time, and on this very discussion board, you were reassuring me that their A320 aircraft were, in fact, very nice.
I'm a CO guy now.

I still think United is a good airline and above some of its competitors for my needs in what it offers. However the extra hassle of flying the exclusively, using their hubs, transiting ORD, paying extra for tickets when there is a lower cost option, etc is too much. Frequent flyer programs are important and I use to be very loyal, but they have weakened too much for my needs. I enjoy saving the time. When I went to Cincinatti last month, I flew nonstop on Delta whereas two years ago I would have flow UA via ORD. Even though I had no shot at an upgrade, the quicker and cheaper flight was better. I think with more time, more people will start flying like me, including my father who is Global Service with UA since he still travels that much.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1944 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 4):

Actualy its now easier to upgrade, all fares are now upgradable not just the higher end Y fares. If you plan ahead and can find a cheap fare even with the co-pay you can end up paying less than the current lowest upgradable fare and use less miles to boot.

More fares might be available, but there are fewer business class seats with the new planes, so I would think that the number of seats available for upgrades has gone down.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):

It used to be Y, B, M, H. Thats it. Now it's all published fares, which is an improvement IMO.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlinePHLstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

but on the flip side of this, domestic upgrades did not change mileage wise, and now you have to pay an additonal $50. Why can't they waive this fee for elites or atleast reduce the mileage. Even though I'm only a 2P I've been pondering checking out Delta, and this might push me towards them. I only use my miles for upgrades so this is effecting me the most out of all the changes that have occured. I am happy to see 500 mile minimums return, I enjoyed getting 500 miles on the PHL-IAD vv connection.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1862 times:



Quoting JEdward (Reply 5):
CO restored 500 mins for elite some time ago (they might have been the first to restore the benefit IIRC.)

CO was the first carrier to reverse the trend. AA, when they announced no more 500 mile min a couple of weeks ago, came out in the announcement and said elites still get it. UA reversed course today. DL/NW still gives 500 miles min on each flight (wouldn't be shocked to see them hop on the bandwagon of non-elites get actual miles flown).

This leaves US alone in it's elite-alienation of actual miles flown for elites and no bonus miles. Will be interesting to see if they make a change after UA's announcement today, but given the way they've stuck to their guns on the no bonus miles, methinks they won't.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1862 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
More fares might be available, but there are fewer business class seats with the new planes, so I would think that the number of seats available for upgrades has gone down.

Your probably right that the number of seats available for upgrade is going to be reduced, however this seems like a good compromise to me a few less seats available but at the same time UA is making all fares eligible for upgrade.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1817 times:



Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 9):

Hold on there fella. DL offers upgrades for 10K, but there is a very limited amount of fares that can be upgraded.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

This is awesome news!!! Most everything about this is great. Good job UA!

regarding 500 mile minimum return, I was in the process of writting a letter to United on already.

Regarding the upgrades...My last trip to Germany, the cheapest roundtrip fare was about $500. I wanted to upgrade so I had to buy an "H" class fare @ $1800 + pay 60,000 miles for the roundtrip upgrade.

With the new system, I would pay for the $500 dollar ticket + $1000 for upgrade plus 40,000 miles. This would mean my ticket would be $300 dollars less and I would use 20,000 less miles.

Hawaii upgrades did go up in price as compared to before. That's ok though because my ticket to Hawaii last summer was only $1600 for a paid, first class ticket. Why bother with miles and money when you can buy a ticket for a reasonable price!


User currently offlinePanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

There is very little UA, or for that matter almost anyone else in this industry does to make things easy for its customers. Fare structures are just downright stupid what with the complexity and "fences" built into them. So, why should loyalty programs be any different?

Saver award vs. standard award! Why? [Here folks, we have something really great for you, our appreciation of your wonderful loyaty. Now here's what we're going to do for you!"]

Two structures. Really? Why? Short notice booking fees? Why? Upgradeability only on certain fares. Why? Pure, unadulterated gimmickry!

For anybody who thinks government creates too many rules and regulations...meet the airline industry! What a joke!!


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1323 times:



Quoting Panova98 (Reply 14):
Two structures.

Ha, get with the times, man.... Delta now has THREE: can't remember what DL calls them, but I call them, "A year in advance," "Anytime," and "Okay, for real, ANYtime." I expect the 2010 revisions to include a fourth tier, called, "Alright, we REALLY MEAN ANYTIME."


User currently offlineN505FX From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1218 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
Now I know why I dumped flying UA loyally/exclusively

Really? Because I had you pegged as a UAL hater a long time ago!


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