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Are There Any Domestic A330 Routes In The US?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3758 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

With UA, AA and DL useing 777 on domestic routes in the US, I wonder are there any A330 use on domestic routes in the US? I believe a 777 burn more fuel than an A330, yet the big three still make a profits useing them with in the US. I would think Northwest and US Airways would use there A330 on some of there domestic routes.

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User currently offlineJKJ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9292 times:

DL has not used the 777 on a scheduled domestic route since the spring if I recall correctly. I am sure the fellow DL folks on here will clear that up fairly quickly.

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Yes! Right now, NWA has the A330 doing MSP-HNL-MSP. Not sure of any others regularly scheduled...I know they use an A330 on the MEM-AMS-MEM run, but is this dedicated to that, or does it do any domestic flying in/out of MEM?

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

NW flies the 333 on MSP-HNL. That's it for now, other than the SEA-HNL route operated in the winter. US also flies PHL-SJU, which is technically a domestic route.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

DL stopped all domestic 777s flights when they got the 77Ls. The last flight went ATL-JFK-BOM then went to JFK-BOM-JFK-BOM turns.
You can still get on 76Es. They run 2x daily ATL-JFK



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

When NWA had the bid pilots fiasco a couple of summers ago, A330's were subbed.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

When US Airways first recieved their A330s, they used them on a daily PHL-MIA-PHL, IIRC.

Also, until only 1-2 years ago, they used to use a daily A330 on PHL-SJU-PHL during the winter.

Avianca flies their A330 daily between Miami and Bogota - obviously not domestic, but it's the shortest ride you can take on an A330 from the U.S.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21590 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

A330s also fly between MSP and DTW for positioning.


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User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

I have to check, but IIRC US for a time was operating a 330 btwn CLT and PHL. I am not sure if they still do.

MD


User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8855 times:
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At one point, NW also flew their A333s from SEA to HNL, and subbed the A332 once or twice. That flight is now the B753.

User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8640 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
330s also fly between MSP and DTW for positioning.

This is news to me... Do they sell seats?



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8510 times:



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I believe a 777 burn more fuel than an A330, yet the big three still make a profits useing them with in the US

Can you verify that any domestic 777 routes are profitable?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8476 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Also, until only 1-2 years ago, they used to use a daily A330 on PHL-SJU-PHL during the winter.

This one is still operating:

2 US 1071 F2 A2 Y4 TU04NOV PHLSJU 0950 1443 330 0 M

I took this one last March....great flight.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21590 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8250 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 10):
This is news to me... Do they sell seats?

They have on and off been used as replacements for normal aircraft on the routes, similar to what UA does with the 744 on some domestic routes.

From what I understand, it's luck of the draw whether your flight changes to an A330 from a narrowbody.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7833 times:



Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 8):
I have to check, but IIRC US for a time was operating a 330 btwn CLT and PHL. I am not sure if they still do.

I can't remember it ever being a regular occurrence; CLT-LGW has been a 330 forever, and prior to open skies when FRA was a 762 they bridged the 330 in LGW and flew the 762 domestically to bridge it between CLT and PHL (often just CLT-PHL northbound, but it had all kinds of southbound routings including, IIRC, at various times PHL-MCO-CLT and PHL-PIT-MCO-CLT). Now that FRA and LGW are both 330s, they bridge the 330 at FRA (the CLT flight arrives at 1050 and departs at 1140; PHL arrives at 0615 and departs at 1245).

CLT-CDG will likely bring more domestic 762 flying in order to bridge the aircraft to PHL; the CLT-PHL leg of CLT-PHL-PEK was to have been a 762.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7741 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
Yes! Right now, NWA has the A330 doing MSP-HNL-MSP. Not sure of any others regularly scheduled...I know they use an A330 on the MEM-AMS-MEM run, but is this dedicated to that, or does it do any domestic flying in/out of MEM?

It's dedicated. The only other "large" aircraft that hub see's from day to day is either 752's or the odd 753 from MSP or DTW. Everything else is either A320, A319, CRJ, or Saab's.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7625 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
It's dedicated.

 checkmark NW bridges 330s (and 75As, for that matter) between hubs at AMS, not at domestic stations.



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7534 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
It's dedicated. The only other "large" aircraft that hub see's from day to day is either 752's or the odd 753 from MSP or DTW. Everything else is either A320, A319, CRJ, or Saab's.

MEM sees the 753 to MSP. IND gets the 753 from MSP too.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7460 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 17):
MEM sees the 753 to MSP. IND gets the 753 from MSP too.

Yep. But from my understanding, the 753 is not a year round thing. I may be wrong and if I am, feel free to correct me.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7387 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 18):
Yep. But from my understanding, the 753 is not a year round thing.

It's not an issue of it being seasonal so much as it's a matter of it coming and going with schedule changes... lots of NW routes are like that; DTW-LAX, for instance, sees no 753s now but has in the past.



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User currently offlineDeltaLVr From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7348 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
Can you verify that any domestic 777 routes are profitable?

What about DFW-MIA for AA ?
Or Maybe MIA-ORD if AA operates with the 777.
And IAD-DEN on UA


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7288 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
Yes! Right now, NWA has the A330 doing MSP-HNL-MSP

MSP-HNL flight duration compares closer to international routing but still is domestic - perhaps the only US domestic use of a A330. MSP-ANC isn't big enough for anything bigger than a 757 or A320.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7269 times:



Quoting DeltaLVr (Reply 20):
Or Maybe MIA-ORD if AA operates with the 777.

It's all 752 right now. When there was a 763 not too long ago (AA 294/295), it was largely needed for the cargo lift, though they often filled the passenger cabin too.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7249 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
It's not an issue of it being seasonal so much as it's a matter of it coming and going with schedule changes... lots of NW routes are like that; DTW-LAX, for instance, sees no 753s now but has in the past

I realize that. But I know if you went to MEM, you would see a 752 more "frequently" than you would a 753. I dont think they have alot of 757 routes from there in the first place. But again, I may be wrong and you may correct me if I am.

But back to the topic, the MEM A330 is routed AMS-MEM-AMS and then repeat that the next day. It arrives around 4pm CST at MEM.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

It's not the US... but for what it's worth, Air Canada flies the A333 between Montreal and Toronto, and Toronto and Vancouver. Also, I think Air Transat occasionally flies their 332s and one 333 between Toronto and Montreal on connecting flights overseas. Not sure on that last one though.

25 Cubsrule : No, you're right. MEM sees a single 753 right now (routed MSP-MEM-MSP) and no NW 752s.
26 Typhaerion : So the 772s do not pull the MCO turns anymore as add ons for their international runs?
27 YULWinterSkies : No A330 neither US but AC also flies the 777 between YUL and YYZ. And did it with the 744 when it was flying for AC. A clever combination of relocati
28 Par13del : How about this one, just as the B-777 is heavier than the A-330 and burns more fuel on a domestic leg, so too is the B-767, B-757, B-737 and A-32X sm
29 Burnsie28 : Its VERY VERY rare, it would have to be a broken plane in either MSP or DTW that they can't fix in enough time, it happens maybe once a year. They us
30 Typhaerion : I assume you mean that this is a two tail op, with the first tail doing AMS-MEM Day 1 and MEM-AMS Day 2 while the other tail does MEM-AMS Day 1 and A
31 Bagpipes : I saw a US 330 at MCO on several occasions, did they run CLT-MCO on a A330 or PHL-MCO?
32 Flyf15 : The plane flies XYZ-AMS-MEM-AMS-ABC, where ABC and XYZ are any of the multiple other cities that NW flies 330s to from AMS. There is no aircraft dedi
33 Steex : No, I believe what he means is it isn't one aircraft dedicated to just flying AMS-MEM-AMS every day repeatedly. The flight is run with one frame that
34 Lexy : I have to admit on a side note the 753's look I didn't say it was and I know it's not the same plane.
35 Cubsrule : PHL, unless it was when they first got them. At least since 2001 there's not been any scheduled domestic 330 service at CLT.
36 KPHXFlyer : I think AA only uses the 777 domestically on DFW-ORD.
37 USAirALB : When it goes YR it will be on the 332.
38 Cubsrule : Has that been announced? None of the initial press said anything about it.
39 Bobnwa : Yes what about them? Are they profitable? I have no idea as the figures for individual route profitability are not available on any carrier on any ro
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