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Aeromexico F/A "worked To Death"  
User currently offlineAyubogg From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9146 times:

I'm surprised this has not come up before but here goes the story on how I heard this:

My cousin just started three weeks ago her training with Mexicana and will be flying sometime soon and so every night we talk via Messenger on all her stories and what not. Today she told me of a scandal of sorts that is going on with AM right now on one of their F/A's dying because of her busy flight schedule.

Her story was that this F/A had done a MEX-TIJ-PVG (regular layover)-TIJ-MEX and upon return to MEX she was to work a flight to JFK the very next day. She was not feeling very good but showed up to work nevertheless. In New York City, she starts feeling very sick and so goes to the hospital in NYC and dies there. My cousin then says that when they find out her cause of death, AM immediately claims that they had fired the F/A for not showing up to her assigned flight (I'm guessing an earlier MEX-JFK flight) with the intention of not having to pay her medical bills (although, if true, they should worry more on how they violated worker regulations).

I was appalled to hear this, but before accusing anyone of anything, I did some research of my own. I find this article on La Jornada; a Mexico City newspaper run by the nation's autonomous University (and sometimes believed to be extremely leftist) and the story is here in Spanish only:

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2008/11/0...p?section=opinion&article=004o1pol

Under TODOS CONTRA ANDREA (Everyone Against Andrea) is the letter to the editor which so happens to be printed after another complaint against AM for ghost flights between EZE and LIM, on a route supposed to be EZE-MEX with a 763 but changed to a 737 in order to save fuel costs..... getting WAYYY off topic here, sorry.

Well the article claims most of what my cousin told me to be true, except here the F/A dies upon her return to Mexico City in a local hospital (where my childhood pediatrician is still working so it happens  Smile ), and the original long haul flight she worked was to NRT not PVG.

The article says the F/A died on June 8th of this year (Sunday) and I think this letter was published just yesterday so I don't know if this is just surfacing even though it happened a while back.

Now I will give you my point of view. I don't read many Mexican newspapers other than El Universal but calling my dad, he says La Jornada is rather left extremist and known to exaggerate the facts. However, this is a letter to the editor so whether the claims are true or not, the newspaper is not 100% responsible for the facts I guess. I am not bashing against Aeromexico and calling them a bad airline to work for or fly, but I also don't know how true this story is. I hope the deceased's family is not looking for money from AM for an unrelated death with possible reparations. And I hope AM is not the type of company that would endanger its crew, and as a result its passengers, to save some money. Would any of you shed some light on how true or not this story is? I feel that if it were true, the story would have been HUUUGE the very week this incident happened. I haven't read other newspapers or seen Mexican news channels in a while but I think we here at A.net would have heard this a while back (or maybe not???).

Well I hope together we can find what really happened, and if not, just hear others' points of view on the issue. Again, not bashing against AM here, I love the airline.

Happy flights everyone, and be kind to your F/A's!

 bigthumbsup 

-Ayubogg


Alba gu bràth
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User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

Ayubogg,

The newspaper article does not surprize me at all. Not one bit as unfortunately in some
countries there are no laws to protect employees from such atrocities.

I hope this story is not factual as this makes me sad being of Mexican decent that something
like this can happen in this most wonderfull country.

Hope more people can shed light on this most unfortunate incident.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9003 times:
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I'm sure some of our regional carrier crew members will chime in with their horror stories, but aren't there IACO regulations pertaining to crew work or does the local government laws supercede any of that. That would definitely be a shame if this were to be the case. Then it wouldn't surprise me as ALL business is about making money and trying to find a way to get more from less.


The only valid opinions are those based in facts
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8766 times:

I think La Jornada has lost pretty much any credibility it had by supporting the nutty Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. While I certainly agree there need to be newspapers with different tendencies, some just go waay out there.

The only valid claim in the article seems to be that AeroMexico seems to be weaseling out of paying medical expenses. That indeed does not surprise me and the daughter of the FA that died indeed has a case if things happen the way they did.

The absolutely ridiculous claim though, is the "Worked to death" title. When flying the NRT flight, and PVG as well, AM FA's enjoy over 72 hours of layover with very generous per-diem pay. Compare that to the barely 24 hours that Emirates crew members "enjoy" after their DXB-LAX flights and it seems ridiculous to claim that it is an unreasonable and unhealthy schedule to fly.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8201 times:



Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 1):
Not one bit as unfortunately in some
countries there are no laws to protect employees from such atrocities.

Actually there are. Unfortunately there is no law enforcement whatsoever, specially if you are a corporate of any sort.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5413 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8170 times:



Quoting SR117 (Reply 3):
The absolutely ridiculous claim though, is the "Worked to death" title.

Correct!

Anyone can be "worked to death" .... if they choose to be!

Unless she was shackled to the aircraft and held captive every evening, it was a personal choice.



Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineAUNC747 From Mexico, joined Feb 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

Just read the "La Jornada" article. I find it really hard to believe. May the deceased F/A rest in peace but..., there is no relation between working any number of hours and having a stroke. Secondly, F/A´s can only work a certain number of hours, and no more - The article talks about "slave work for unlimited hours". Just crap.

By the way, AM´s F/A are unionised, and Alejandra Barrales, who used to be the union leader (a job she lost because of corruption acusations from inside the union) now works as Tourism Minister of Mexico City, and is a very clo$$$e friend of Mr. Lopez Obrador and the editors of "La Jornada".


User currently offlineSuper737 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Having read the OP initial post where it says

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
She was not feeling very good but showed up to work nevertheless

It is a crew members responsibility to report to operations/crewing of not being of good health. Not only did she put herself in risk but also passengers.



If its not a super tractor its not a plane
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

I smell something fishy here.

If AM has rules that allow here to fly from PVG-MEX, night off and to JFK the next day, then great for them. If she was sick, she should have called in sick and taken care of herself. She was not worked to death, by any stretch.

We make choices. To be hired as crew, to work willingly with the work rules. To fly a lot, to work back to back trips, etc..

Was she suffering from something else that flying exascerbated her condition? What did she die of? Was she taking medication that she forgot? There are so many variables here.

The full story is definitely not being brought to light here.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

OK, I wouldn't just want to venture myself and take an odd position here, but personally, I think the paper in question has been dramatically loosing credibility and prestige for sometime already.

I don't know, but would it be possible to use the word " sensationalism " to describe the whole affair here ???

Best regards



No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5157 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

John Henry was "worked to death". I don't think this quite qualifies.

Also, French literature of a certain period is filled with a zillion variations on this kind of story. Amputation of hands in industrial accidents following by firing by the company due to inability to work without hands is another popular theme.

For a fun read in the other direction, go get yourself a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" in paperback. It should be popular again in six months or less.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2448 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

I wouldn't believe everything in the article, specially if it was written by La Jornada journalists!!! What I would question is her Seniority in AM's Flight Attendant structure. With so many years working for the airline, if she really felt bad and didn't show to work, she would't have been fired, because FA Union and "Conciliacion y Arbitraje" protect her. In Mexico it is very very very very very very difficult to fire someone working that long without paying her a huge amount of money. Additionally, she must have been very close to retirement... and senior FA like to fly long flights, because they work less take off's and landings every month.

Regarding the flight between EZE and MEX flown by a B737-800, it is not because AM can't turn a profit on the route (which I have flown and is always packed in J) but because of the lack of long haul aircraft. A single problem with one of their long haul aircraft, hurts the long haul route network. And if we add that one B777 is out of service being retrofited in China, well, go figure out!!!

By the way I know many people that work 14 to 16 hours Monday to Friday and sometimes Saturdays and Sundays. Most of the times it is because they like to work, since they care for the $$$ they get paid (which is a lot). Some of these people have had heart attacks, problems with blood pressure, etc. and they keep working!!


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