Sambakaj From Denmark, joined Jul 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16524 times:
Hi there..
I was just looking up some flights in amadeus, when I stumpeld upon an U6 (Ural Airlines) flight from DME to LNY - sch. flying time from DME is 19h and 5min! Thats close to half an hour longer than SQ SIN-EWR! And.. it's done with the T5M (Tupolev 154 M) - I did not know that bird could hit such a distance in one run?
My question, are there any longer flights - and, is it perhaps an error in amadeus?
Sambakaj From Denmark, joined Jul 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16318 times:
It is Lanai City in Hawaii - LNY! And amadeus is showing NO enroute stops.. But I can't find the return journey on a direct flight - perhaps its all wrong?
I was just looking up some flights in amadeus, when I stumpeld upon an U6 (Ural Airlines) flight from DME to LNY - sch. flying time from DME is 19h and 5min! Thats close to half an hour longer than SQ SIN-EWR! And.. it's done with the T5M (Tupolev 154 M) - I did not know that bird could hit such a distance in one run?
While the russian flight is longer in time, there is no way its NONSTOP. Singapore Airlnes EWR to SIN is nonstop all way over the Atlantic, Europe and all of central Asia. It flies eastward completely around the world.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3254 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15851 times:
This is an error.
According to the DME website, U6 481 is a Ural Airlines flight from DME to Baikonur (Krainyi), departing at 9:40 with an estimated arrival time of 14:45 local time. The flight seems to run twice weekly.
Baikonur, I believe, is Russias main space center, or cosmodrome. Indeed, this is where Sputnik was launched from... It's still active, and supports both manned and unmanned missions, and according to the lease agreement, will be at Russia's disposal until 2050.
On the DME website there is no mention of "LNY", but I assume that the airfield at Bajkonur is not a commercial airport, and lacks proper IATA coding. Did some snooping on Google Earth, and found Krainyi Airport. Still no mention of the code "LNY" though.
First Edit: Time-zone mixup
Second Edit: Baikonur is in Kazakhstan, by the way, and is leased from the Kazakh government to the Russians.
Cheers
Mats
[Edited 2008-11-04 07:06:15]
[Edited 2008-11-04 07:23:00]
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
TUE 02DEC08 MOSCOW /LANAI CITY 02/0000 02/2359 G*GAL
1 DME LNY 02/0940 1545 U6 481 OL KA YA SA T5M X
U6 481 TUESDAY 02 DEC 08<
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BRD TIME T D/I OFF TIME T D/I FLY/GROUND EQP E<
DME 0940 I LNY 1545 I 19:05 T5M X<
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TOTAL FLYING TIME DME - LNY 19:05<
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CLASSES<
DME-LNY S Y K O
Kleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15251 times:
Quoting Doona (Reply 9): On the DME website there is no mention of "LNY", but I assume that the airfield at Bajkonur is not a commercial airport, and lacks proper IATA coding.
Many airports in the former Soviet Union never or only recently got their proper IATA codes since they were only used for domestic flights before the end of the Cold War. As IATA was and still is headquartered in Canada and Switzerland (West) they never assigned IATA codes to these airports. Supposedly that still makes consulting for Russian airlines a b@%#
Aviateur From United States, joined Apr 2004, 881 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13393 times:
Quoting Sambakaj (Thread starter): My question, are there any longer flights - and, is it perhaps an error in amadeus?
Maybe the thread starter is joking around? Anyway, if he's not, this is preposterous; an obvious error. The endurance of the Tu-154, a 1960s design, is nowhere remotely close to 19 hours.
Not to mention the silliness of Ural Airlines flying to Hawaii, let alone doing it nonstop in an obsolete plane.
"Worlds longest flights" is a subject covered several times in this discussion board. The list keeps changing as timetables are revised and flights added/curtailed, but for the most part, the longest nonstop runs are operated by 777 and A340 aircraft.
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LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 951 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13074 times:
Quoting Doona (Reply 9): Baikonur, I believe, is Russias main space center, or cosmodrome. Indeed, this is where Sputnik was launched from... It's still active, and supports both manned and unmanned missions, and according to the lease agreement, will be at Russia's disposal until 2050.
This may be a bit off topic: Actually the Russian space agency will begin launching their Soyuz rockets from Korou in the French Guyana in a couple of years.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9535 times:
It's probably the result of a coding error in their schedule data submission to OAG which handles schedule distribution to reservations systems for most airlines.
RonProphet From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8728 times:
Hi all,
FYI - Sabre shows the same flight descriptors - twice weekly (Tues and Fri) with similar infornation to Amadeus and Sabre.
Like everyone ( I think ) it's obviously a furphy. More likely to be the route that Doona has picked up on - to Baikonur. And somehow it's been mis-translated.
Ural's own website makes no mention of any flights further east than Bangkok.
Caryjack From United States, joined May 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8683 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5): Singapore Airlnes EWR to SIN is nonstop all way over the Atlantic, Europe and all of central Asia. It flies eastward completely around the world.
Wow, that's pretty cool. I've never heard of such a flight.
Quoting Aviateur (Reply 13): The list keeps changing as timetables are revised and flights added/curtailed, but for the most part, the longest nonstop runs are operated by 777 and A340 aircraft.
So what do they use on the EWR to SIN flight - A345s & B77LRs?
Thanks,
Cary
Vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 926 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8542 times:
Quoting Caryjack (Reply 19): So what do they use on the EWR to SIN flight - A345s & B77LRs?
This Flight had been operating for a good 4-5 years and is operated by 345 Equipment (SQ doesn't have any 772/LR's) only recently it became Business Class only.
707lvr From United States, joined Jun 2004, 420 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7737 times:
Question - now that we've moved beyond the loud typewriter gizmo where you had to stick that dadblamed tape in with (hopefully) no mistakes this time, and even beyond 1200 baud on the modern machines, do they still have to transmit everything in abbreviations? Or is everybody just so used to it that it works fine for insiders?
Any event, if you're going to have a typo, Moscow nonstop to Lanai City, 19:05hrs in a Tu154 is a good one.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13597 posts, RR: 68 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7548 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5): Singapore Airlnes EWR to SIN is nonstop all way over the Atlantic, Europe and all of central Asia. It flies eastward completely around the world.
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 21): Wouldn't EWR-SIN fly over the north pole, and not "all the way over the atlantic, europe, and asia"?
NorthstarBoy From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6404 times:
Quoting 707lvr (Reply 23): Question - now that we've moved beyond the loud typewriter gizmo where you had to stick that dadblamed tape in with (hopefully) no mistakes this time, and even beyond 1200 baud on the modern machines, do they still have to transmit everything in abbreviations? Or is everybody just so used to it that it works fine for insiders?
that's just the nature of the system, which was built on technology platforms dating back to the 1960s if not earlier. The system was designed to display as much information in as small amount of space as possible, so everything is boiled down to abbreviations or codes to save space and thus computing power, of which the CRSes did not have much when they were first brought online back in the 1960s. Likewise the CRSes do not understand the concept of multitasking which is to say two people aren't allowed to add remarks to the same record at the same time. all of the systems need serious platform and technology upgrades to bring them out of the 60s and into the current era, but, as that will probably never happen, we're basically stuck with them as they are unless we book via some kind of internet booking tool, but no self respecting travel professional does that, it's all done "native" or "green screen" meaning inputting long, mathematical formula like codes to extract information from the system.
One such example: A1decdenlax6a+ua is how one would bring up flight availability in apollo for den-lax on ua for december 1st. to sell one seat on a specific flight once you have that availability up requires a separate code, and booking car and hotel reservations requires two more sets of completely separate codes (one to bring up availability, a second to sell the unit) and when it comes to air, you get into pricing which introduces yet more different codes.
the whole system is completely archaic.
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26 Aviateur: For the most part this is correct: EWR-SIN would fly north, up over the top of the globe and down the other side. Remember, though, that flights don'
27 PhilSquares: In reality, the east bound flight out of SIN will fly a route that takes advantage of the prevailing tailwinds. So, it would fly the published routes
28 Starlionblue: Thx for info. So how many "extra" nm could one find oneself flying on such flights?
29 PhilSquares: You could, in some cases, add as much as 500NM onto the route. But, the tailwind advantage is more than enough to offset tha additional mileage and t
30 Hailstone: the DME - LNY routing discussed above, does however NOT exist in the OAG
31 Caryjack: This sounds like a sailboat ride I used to take on Henderson Bay when I was 12, except you left out the waves. Given that Google thinks that WSSS is
32 PhilSquares: Sorry, WSSS is SIN or Singapore Changi Airport. RJAA is NRT or Narita. Here is the westbound NAT track for today http://www.jetplan.com/jeppesen/weat
33 BAW716: A great description of the route...thanks PhilSquares! baw716
34 B2707SST: When I flew this route in September 2006, we took quite a southerly routing: I'd guesstimate we flew roughly over Halifax, London, Dresden, Krakow, O
35 Starlionblue: ICAO airport codes in other words.
36 Caryjack: Now that's funny. Sure did, thanks. Another piece of the puzzle. It explains why LAX is sometimes KLAX. There must be a plan in effect to replace exi
37 Viscount724: The ICAO airport codes aren't new. They've been used for many years for operational and ATC purposes, as have the 3-letter ICAO airline codes. The IA
38 Utapao: Have flown the EWR-SIN route four times, and only once have we flown anywhere near the Great Circle routing. Three times flew closer to what B2707SST
39 Starlionblue: IATA codes are used for airports with pax service, and save a digit in the reservation and luggage systems. Since retrofitting those systems to add a
40 Utapao: Starlionblue is absolutely correct. Every 4-5 years governments, agencies, etc., bring up consolidating to the 4-digit ICAO codes, but the cost invol
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Wow, that's pretty cool. I've never heard of such a flight. 
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