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The World Longest Route - A Weird One?  
User currently offlineSambakaj From Denmark, joined Jul 2008, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19222 times:

Hi there..

I was just looking up some flights in amadeus, when I stumpeld upon an U6 (Ural Airlines) flight from DME to LNY - sch. flying time from DME is 19h and 5min! Thats close to half an hour longer than SQ SIN-EWR! And.. it's done with the T5M (Tupolev 154 M) - I did not know that bird could hit such a distance in one run?

My question, are there any longer flights - and, is it perhaps an error in amadeus?

thanks

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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19167 times:

Presumably this LNY isn't Lanai in Hawaii.

I'd expect that there'd be a number of en-route stops wherever it is.



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User currently offlineSambakaj From Denmark, joined Jul 2008, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19016 times:

It is Lanai City in Hawaii - LNY! And amadeus is showing NO enroute stops.. But I can't find the return journey on a direct flight - perhaps its all wrong?

User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18949 times:

The only airlines that serves Lanai are Islandair, go! Express, Mokulele, and Pacific Wings. The runway's 5,000 feet, so no Tupolev.


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18873 times:



Quoting Sambakaj (Thread starter):
My question, are there any longer flights - and, is it perhaps an error in amadeus

Given that the range with max fuel is 4100NM, I would say it's a mistake. Just a guess!!!


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18873 times:
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Quoting Sambakaj (Thread starter):
Hi there..

I was just looking up some flights in amadeus, when I stumpeld upon an U6 (Ural Airlines) flight from DME to LNY - sch. flying time from DME is 19h and 5min! Thats close to half an hour longer than SQ SIN-EWR! And.. it's done with the T5M (Tupolev 154 M) - I did not know that bird could hit such a distance in one run?

While the russian flight is longer in time, there is no way its NONSTOP. Singapore Airlnes EWR to SIN is nonstop all way over the Atlantic, Europe and all of central Asia. It flies eastward completely around the world.


User currently offlineSambakaj From Denmark, joined Jul 2008, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18780 times:

I reckon its an error.. but here is there a print out

SN02DECDMELNY
** AMADEUS SCHEDULES - SN ** LNY LANAI CITY.USHI
1 U6 481 S4 Y4 K4 OL DME LNY 0940 1545 E0/T5M 19:05

If you don't amadeus, the "E0" means zero enroute stops


User currently offlineBT001 From Latvia, joined Aug 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18736 times:

what does it show, if you make amadeus input DO U6481?

User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18567 times:



Quoting Sambakaj (Reply 6):

If you don't amadeus, the "E0" means zero enroute stops

It doesn't ... E means e-ticketable, but yes the 0 does mean non-stop.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18549 times:

This is an error.

According to the DME website, U6 481 is a Ural Airlines flight from DME to Baikonur (Krainyi), departing at 9:40 with an estimated arrival time of 14:45 local time. The flight seems to run twice weekly.

Baikonur, I believe, is Russias main space center, or cosmodrome. Indeed, this is where Sputnik was launched from... It's still active, and supports both manned and unmanned missions, and according to the lease agreement, will be at Russia's disposal until 2050.

On the DME website there is no mention of "LNY", but I assume that the airfield at Bajkonur is not a commercial airport, and lacks proper IATA coding. Did some snooping on Google Earth, and found Krainyi Airport. Still no mention of the code "LNY" though.

First Edit: Time-zone mixup
Second Edit: Baikonur is in Kazakhstan, by the way, and is leased from the Kazakh government to the Russians.

Cheers
Mats

[Edited 2008-11-04 07:06:15]

[Edited 2008-11-04 07:23:00]


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User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18509 times:



Quoting BT001 (Reply 7):
what does it show, if you make amadeus input DO U6481?

DO1
* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * U6 481 28 TU 02DEC
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
DME 0940 TU SYKO/- T5M 19:05
LNY 1545 TU 19:05

COMMENTS-
1.ENTIRE FLT- ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
2.DME LNY - 0300

CONFIGURATION-
T5M NO CONFIGURATION SET


Interestingly the flight does not show LNY-DME.

I checked in Galileo too and it shows:

TUE 02DEC08 MOSCOW /LANAI CITY 02/0000 02/2359 G*GAL
1 DME LNY 02/0940 1545 U6 481 OL KA YA SA T5M X

U6 481 TUESDAY 02 DEC 08<
---------------------------------------------------------------<
BRD TIME T D/I OFF TIME T D/I FLY/GROUND EQP E<
DME 0940 I LNY 1545 I 19:05 T5M X<
---------------------------------------------------------------<
TOTAL FLYING TIME DME - LNY 19:05<
---------------------------------------------------------------<
CLASSES<
DME-LNY S Y K O


User currently offlineSambakaj From Denmark, joined Jul 2008, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18508 times:

LH121GLA - I'm sorry, that is correct...

after typing "DO U6481" :

* PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * U6 481 0 TU 04NOV
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
DME 0940 TU SYKO/- T5M 19:05
LNY 1545 TU 19:05


User currently offlineKleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17949 times:



Quoting Doona (Reply 9):
On the DME website there is no mention of "LNY", but I assume that the airfield at Bajkonur is not a commercial airport, and lacks proper IATA coding.

Many airports in the former Soviet Union never or only recently got their proper IATA codes since they were only used for domestic flights before the end of the Cold War. As IATA was and still is headquartered in Canada and Switzerland (West) they never assigned IATA codes to these airports. Supposedly that still makes consulting for Russian airlines a b@%#

kleinsim


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16091 times:



Quoting Sambakaj (Thread starter):
My question, are there any longer flights - and, is it perhaps an error in amadeus?

Maybe the thread starter is joking around? Anyway, if he's not, this is preposterous; an obvious error. The endurance of the Tu-154, a 1960s design, is nowhere remotely close to 19 hours.

Not to mention the silliness of Ural Airlines flying to Hawaii, let alone doing it nonstop in an obsolete plane.

"Worlds longest flights" is a subject covered several times in this discussion board. The list keeps changing as timetables are revised and flights added/curtailed, but for the most part, the longest nonstop runs are operated by 777 and A340 aircraft.


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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1710 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15772 times:



Quoting Doona (Reply 9):
Baikonur, I believe, is Russias main space center, or cosmodrome. Indeed, this is where Sputnik was launched from... It's still active, and supports both manned and unmanned missions, and according to the lease agreement, will be at Russia's disposal until 2050.

This may be a bit off topic: Actually the Russian space agency will begin launching their Soyuz rockets from Korou in the French Guyana in a couple of years.



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User currently offlineElsonmandella From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13287 times:

Sabre has it too, however, try and sell it and it comes back as UC (unable to confirm) with remark as 'Invalid off point'.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

It's probably the result of a coding error in their schedule data submission to OAG which handles schedule distribution to reservations systems for most airlines.

User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12064 times:

Maybe..
KE's GRU-LAX-ICN
JL's NRT-JFK-GRU
NZ's AKL-LAX-LHR


User currently offlineRonProphet From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11426 times:

Hi all,

FYI - Sabre shows the same flight descriptors - twice weekly (Tues and Fri) with similar infornation to Amadeus and Sabre.

Like everyone ( I think ) it's obviously a furphy. More likely to be the route that Doona has picked up on - to Baikonur. And somehow it's been mis-translated.

Ural's own website makes no mention of any flights further east than Bangkok.


User currently offlineCaryjack From United States of America, joined May 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11381 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
Singapore Airlnes EWR to SIN is nonstop all way over the Atlantic, Europe and all of central Asia. It flies eastward completely around the world.

 wideeyed  Wow, that's pretty cool. I've never heard of such a flight.

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 13):
The list keeps changing as timetables are revised and flights added/curtailed, but for the most part, the longest nonstop runs are operated by 777 and A340 aircraft.

So what do they use on the EWR to SIN flight - A345s & B77LRs?  airplane 
Thanks,
Cary


User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11240 times:



Quoting Caryjack (Reply 19):
So what do they use on the EWR to SIN flight - A345s & B77LRs?

This Flight had been operating for a good 4-5 years and is operated by 345 Equipment (SQ doesn't have any 772/LR's) only recently it became Business Class only.




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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Wouldn't EWR-SIN fly over the north pole, and not "all the way over the atlantic, europe, and asia"?


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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10887 times:

I guess EWR-SIN is still the longest flight in the world?

Interesting then, that the A340-500 operates the longest flight in the world while the 777-200LR is the longest range aircraft in the world!



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Question - now that we've moved beyond the loud typewriter gizmo where you had to stick that dadblamed tape in with (hopefully) no mistakes this time, and even beyond 1200 baud on the modern machines, do they still have to transmit everything in abbreviations? Or is everybody just so used to it that it works fine for insiders?

Any event, if you're going to have a typo, Moscow nonstop to Lanai City, 19:05hrs in a Tu154 is a good one.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16994 posts, RR: 67
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10246 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
Singapore Airlnes EWR to SIN is nonstop all way over the Atlantic, Europe and all of central Asia. It flies eastward completely around the world.



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 21):
Wouldn't EWR-SIN fly over the north pole, and not "all the way over the atlantic, europe, and asia"?

Indeed. EWR-SIN doesn't come close to Europe. http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=e...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=



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25 NorthstarBoy : that's just the nature of the system, which was built on technology platforms dating back to the 1960s if not earlier. The system was designed to dis
26 Aviateur : For the most part this is correct: EWR-SIN would fly north, up over the top of the globe and down the other side. Remember, though, that flights don'
27 PhilSquares : In reality, the east bound flight out of SIN will fly a route that takes advantage of the prevailing tailwinds. So, it would fly the published routes
28 Starlionblue : Thx for info. So how many "extra" nm could one find oneself flying on such flights?
29 PhilSquares : You could, in some cases, add as much as 500NM onto the route. But, the tailwind advantage is more than enough to offset tha additional mileage and t
30 Hailstone : the DME - LNY routing discussed above, does however NOT exist in the OAG
31 Caryjack : This sounds like a sailboat ride I used to take on Henderson Bay when I was 12, except you left out the waves. Given that Google thinks that WSSS is
32 Post contains links PhilSquares : Sorry, WSSS is SIN or Singapore Changi Airport. RJAA is NRT or Narita. Here is the westbound NAT track for today http://www.jetplan.com/jeppesen/weat
33 BAW716 : A great description of the route...thanks PhilSquares! baw716
34 Post contains images B2707SST : When I flew this route in September 2006, we took quite a southerly routing: I'd guesstimate we flew roughly over Halifax, London, Dresden, Krakow, O
35 Starlionblue : ICAO airport codes in other words.
36 Caryjack : Now that's funny. Sure did, thanks. Another piece of the puzzle. It explains why LAX is sometimes KLAX. There must be a plan in effect to replace exi
37 Viscount724 : The ICAO airport codes aren't new. They've been used for many years for operational and ATC purposes, as have the 3-letter ICAO airline codes. The IA
38 Utapao : Have flown the EWR-SIN route four times, and only once have we flown anywhere near the Great Circle routing. Three times flew closer to what B2707SST
39 Starlionblue : IATA codes are used for airports with pax service, and save a digit in the reservation and luggage systems. Since retrofitting those systems to add a
40 Utapao : Starlionblue is absolutely correct. Every 4-5 years governments, agencies, etc., bring up consolidating to the 4-digit ICAO codes, but the cost invol
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