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Why No Gate Checked Bags On Mainline Aircraft?  
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

You know how when they run out of space in the overhead bins for carry on bags they make you gate check your bags (Which seems to happen a lot more on Boeing ac then Airbus), and you can't claim them until your destination. My question is, why can't they do what they do on RJ's? Which is, when they have no room in the overhead bins, you can gate check the bag, and its returned to you planeside when the plane lands? It would make things a lot easier.

The reason I ask this is because I did a three leg journey from LAX to ATW yesterday, and on the LAX IAH flight they told me there was no room left in the overheads, so they had to gate check the bag. The problem became, that I was flying a DTW-ATW flight on NW at the end of the journey. When the gate check form was marked, the bag was checked to ATW, but it was marked with the flight number of the LAX-IAH flight, and then it was marked to an MSP-ATW flight. There was no flight number listed at all for the IAH-MSP segment, and the bag got lost somehow. I filed a claim with NW in ATW, but they didn't seem to want to make any effort for me. If anyone here works for Continental that has access to SHARES, maybe they can get a hold of me and see when the bag tag was last scanned, so we can maybe find the bag that way.

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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5104 times:

They could, but it would slow down turn times; it's much easier on arrival to simply take all bags to baggage claim than to separate gate checked bags and carry them up to the aircraft (and keep in mind that on 757s and 32xs, the bags are likely going to have to be carried up the stairs; they can't do the belt loader trick we see with RJs.

I wonder how much of a need for the service there is. I've been on plenty of full flights where no cabin bags were checked, and surely some folks don't mind picking up the bag at their final destination.



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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5084 times:

Good question, but I think the answer is that if they did it on mainline jets, then they'd have lots of people deliberately gate-checking bags to avoid waiting 20-40 minutes in baggage claim.

It's one thing on a commuter plane when you're talking about returning 6-15ish bags, which is about half of the entire total, a lot of pax are already on the tarmac after deplaning, etc., so it's not that much more work for the ground crew (pls correct me if I am wrong).

But imagine on a 180-seat 757...biz pax don't want to fight for overhead bin space, so dozens of them gate-check their bags knowing that they'll get it back at the gate at the destination. Maybe a little longer wait than if they carried it on, but much faster than going to baggage claim. It would be a mess.

As for the A vs B, I think it probably has more to do with whether the airline has outfitted the aircraft with the deeper overhead bins that fit standard-sized rollaboards wheels first as opposed to sideways. My roll-aboard fits wheels-first in UA's 757 bins but not in US's Airbus bins.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5064 times:



Quoting UALFAson (Reply 2):
But imagine on a 180-seat 757...biz pax don't want to fight for overhead bin space, so dozens of them gate-check their bags knowing that they'll get it back at the gate at the destination. Maybe a little longer wait than if they carried it on, but much faster than going to baggage claim. It would be a mess.

 checkmark Another good point. Waiting in the jetway for a CR9 worth of gate-checked bags is bad enough... imagine multiplying that by a factor of 2 or 3.



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4024 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

I don't know about US airbridges, but here in ARN the steps are very steep. You would have difficulty carrying one small bag up. We offload our A319 with 2 ramp workers. They position the chocks and cones then offload the 4 containers and drive them into the baggage hall. If they had to carry bags up the steep steps, it would take much much longer, and I for one would not like to see it happening for H and S reasons.
When I am standing in the jetty, pax are always asking after buggies and gate checked bags and I tell them they will be on the baggage belt. Most think it is strange, but the containers are already there being offloaded. The only item we carry up the stairs are personal wheelchairs.


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

We, and we being Jetblue, have to carry everything up the stairs when the plane arrives. Strollers, car seats, guitars, ect. ect are always brought up to the jet bridge and its not always an easy task when you got a flight coming in from MCO with 19 strollers, yes 19 I once had. The worst has to be STI, POP and my fav. SDQ where just today we had 41 gate checks that in this case had to be brought down the stairs which still sucks cuz these freakin things weigh average 30-50lbs with some cases 50-90lbs. Now my company FINALLY got smart and started to tag alot of the bags with yellow tags meaning they will be brought to the carrasel and not brought up to the a/c because its very time consuming for the ramp. That and the fact that people are taking advantage of the gate check because there carry on is heavy and they dont want to lift it or there just to damn lazy to bring it on board. What ever the case we bring everything up the stairs upon arrival. So as you can see I hate gate checks especially when there bags, ALOT of bags. The rest I understand but the bag thing, grrrrrrr. Oh, and be patient will ya. Sometimes its just one of us bringing all that up the stairs. Takes time. Hope that makes sense and for the rest of you ramp guys and gals that dont have to do that, god bless ya.

Contrails15



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

From what I understand is that they can't give it back to you due to FAA regulations, on Rj's they put those bags in a specific area, on mainline they just more or less put them where they can find space, not to mention there is more of a likelyhood of getting bag with "liquids" etc.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4825 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
From what I understand is that they can't give it back to you due to FAA regulations, on Rj's they put those bags in a specific area, on mainline they just more or less put them where they can find space, not to mention there is more of a likelyhood of getting bag with "liquids" etc.

Plus they get tagged with a special tag as well. When I worked for ASA, the items checked planeside were the very last thing to be put in the bin.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4811 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7):
Plus they get tagged with a special tag as well. When I worked for ASA, the items checked planeside were the very last thing to be put in the bin.

 checkmark But surely the same could be done on mainline flights... if there weren't all the other issues discussed above.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3986 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4777 times:
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absolutely..........has nothing to do with limitations by the FAA. We gate check strollers, walkers, wheelchairs all the time.......those would be no different if a bag is gate checked at the boarding door.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

They found my bag incidentally and I got it back.

What I am saying wouldn't be available on all flights. This would only be available as a very last resort if they run out of space on the plane. Otherwise, it wouldn't be an option with my idea.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

A lot of legacy carriers have it in their specs that they filed with the Feds that while you can tag all sorts of bags in the jetways ....on mainline ac they cannot return them all to the jetway at the destination...allowed are pax assistance devices such as wchrs/walkers/strollers. Exceptions were allowed by the Feds for the RJ fleet due to the small size of their overhead bins and to the original intent of those ac to feed hubs...ie larger aircraft.

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4629 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
checkmark Another good point. Waiting in the jetway for a CR9 worth of gate-checked bags is bad enough... imagine multiplying that by a factor of 2 or 3.

The personnel required to accomplish this would make the baggage claim waits at the carousel even longer as the airlines are not going to hire additional personnel to deal with gate claims. The stroller scene is bad enough, especially on widebodies. This new generation of parents never heard of umbrella strollers--instead they haul around RollsRoyces & Mercedes, with all the loose toys etc. inside and wonder why the contents are missing on the other end.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4024 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4493 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):
The stroller scene is bad enough, especially on widebodies. This new generation of parents never heard of umbrella strollers--instead they haul around RollsRoyces & Mercedes, with all the loose toys etc. inside and wonder why the contents are missing on the other end.

 checkmark   checkmark 

My airline will gate check strollers, but they always come back on the baggage carousel.
It used to be so infuriating, one pax asks for a red stroller, you bring it up, but its the wrong one. You take iy back down and the containers have already gone to the baggage hall! So up and tell the pax, then drive the stroller over to the baggage hall. No more. Wheelchairs only.

My kids are long out of strollers. I always had the smallest possible umbrella type, and nearly always carried them on board. They fitted under the seat. or in the overhead bins. Why folk insist on these huge folding prams nowadays amazes me.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

At my airline, we're not allowed to bring bags back up to the jetway. Once we have to get-check the bag and send it down the jetway slide, it's now in OUR hands and must be picked up in baggage claim. I had an incident a few months ago where a passenger desperateley needed something out of their bag which we had sent down the slide literally 5 seconds prior. The bag was 15 feet away yet we could not let the passenger access their bag. We would have had to send the bag to baggage claim, send the passenger to baggage claim to reunite them with their bag, then go back through security back to the aircraft. This was an agreed upon decision by myself, two Supervisors, and our OM. It has to do with keeping the bag in a sterile area.

The only exceptions are "personal devices providing assistance" such as wheelchairs, walkers, and strollers.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4395 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 11):
A lot of legacy carriers have it in their specs that they filed with the Feds that while you can tag all sorts of bags in the jetways ....on mainline ac they cannot return them all to the jetway at the destination.

Surely, carriers could change this, since there's no compelling safety reason for the rule (in that respect, it's similar to the different ways that carriers handle exit row briefings).



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4368 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
Why folk insist on these huge folding prams nowadays amazes me.

Because as you know having used the umbrella type, pushing those around on long vacations, day in and day out, is horrible. It's one reason why the better ones were invented! Not to mention that the better ones have room to carry food/snacks, your camera, change of clothes, diapers. Etc. With the umbrella type, all of that is on your back in some way, all day long. Treck around Disneyworld in 100 degrees all day with 30 pounds on your back, while pushing a poorly built and non-maneuverable stroller (or worse, carrying the kid, and the bag, while pushing the empty stroller). After 1 hour you'd pay for a storage area and a drink holder too!

I'm sorry that it's an inconvenience to you to do your job and all, but watching my sister have to deal with her two little tykes, I have far more sympathy for her and her need for a full featured stroller than you, who is paid to handle baggage...



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4313 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Surely, carriers could change this, since there's no compelling safety reason for the rule

First off as someone upthread mentioned the amount of baggage that could be involved would be prohibitive.

Secondly...bringing that much luggage back into the jetway is a potential injury problem for both the employees lugging items up rickety jetway stairs as well as now making tripping hazards in small jetway spaces during a deplaning process.

Lastly...The TSA does not want two way baggage traffic for their security reasons....and increase of two way traffic from what is allowed by exception now would surely be greeted with a stone wall.

Lessee...777 with 300 or so comes in with 100 jetway bags....and of course no one is allowed to deplane until those 100 bags are brought up...and then they deplane into a jetway with 100 bags laying on the floor......with people trying to run for connections and cabs....yeah...right...that will work.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4311 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 17):
First off as someone upthread mentioned the amount of baggage that could be involved would be prohibitive.

Yes. That someone was me.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Waiting in the jetway for a CR9 worth of gate-checked bags is bad enough... imagine multiplying that by a factor of 2 or 3.

You completely missed my point, which was that there isn't any reason for the government to prohibit such a practice, but there's no good reason for the airlines to do it.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

You guys are totally missing my point here. You guys are suggesting that everyone would gate check their bags which would leave a wait for 100 bags or so. This is not true. What I am suggesting would only be as a very last resort in the event there absolutely would be no room on the plane. The flight I took the other day in question, which was on a CO 757-300, if what I am really seeking was in place, you would have only had at most 5-10 gate checked bags. I don't think thats a large amount at all.

I don't think this should be used if there is room on the plane for that bag. It should be used if and only if there is positively no room in the overhead bins for storage on the plane, which in normal circumstances mean you are only talking about 5-10 gate checked bags, and this is actually much more likely to happen on a boeing narrowbody plane than an Airbus or a widebody. This would be an exception, rather than a rule.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4264 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
What I am suggesting would only be as a very last resort in the event there absolutely would be no room on the plane.

But it still creates more work for the folks on the ramp upon arrival. For what purpose? Airlines don't plan on mishandling bags (even though it happens).

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
and this is actually much more likely to happen on a boeing narrowbody plane than an Airbus or a widebody.

 Confused Doesn't the Boeing vs. Airbus question depend on what bins the operator has installed?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4166 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
and this is actually much more likely to happen on a boeing narrowbody plane than an Airbus or a widebody

???

Boeing narrowbody bins are the same size as Airbus narrowbody bins. Older widebody bins can be too small for rollerboards to fit longway, and on trips to vacation areas, you may need to forfeit your bag to the staff even on those widebodies.

I think it's more likely to be MD88s and older 767s than any other plane to not have enough room for modern carry-ons when the flight is full?



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4101 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
you would have only had at most 5-10 gate checked bags. I don't think thats a large amount at all.

And once the pax found out that they could get the bags back at the jetway those 10 would become 20 then 30 then 40 in quick order.....that is a slippery slope no carrier wants to go down I would suspect.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4097 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 22):
And once the pax found out that they could get the bags back at the jetway those 10 would become 20 then 30 then 40 in quick order.....that is a slippery slope no carrier wants to go down I would suspect.

Thats why you have to be very careful with this. It would only be available to the last few pax on the plane, and if you are terminating at the destination of that flight and not connecting, it would be sent to the claim. it could work


User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

I don't mind bringing strollers up to the jet bridge...some of those mommies are hot!

KD


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

Actually, I'm surprised no airline has floated the idea of offering a limited number of gate-checked bags on each mainline flight for a fee. You pay your money, you get your bag first.

I'm also surprised no airline has come up with the idea of making RJ passengers pay to gate-check their bag - put a credit card reader on the little rack by the plane.

I really should stop giving them evil ideas, shouldn't I? Like the pay-per-piece toilet paper dispensers...  devil 


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