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When NW Moves To The DL Gates  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10114 times:

I was just thinking of what MSY will look like once DL moves the NW flights over to its gates. It will leave one side of the airport...two entire concourses...with only two airlines. Here's the breakdown:

Concourse A:

Northwest (will move to D shortly)
US Airways

Concourse B:

Southwest

A and B have at last count 14 total jetways currently. Once the NW operation moves over to D, 9 out of 14 will be in use.

On the other side of the airport, things are a little busier.

Concourse C:

Air Tran
American
United

Concourse D:

Continental
Delta
jet Blue

C and D combined have 20 jetways, of which 15 are in use.

So in the end, six out of eight airlines serving the airport will be using the West terminal area, and will make up approx. 65% of the total flight departures.

The airport is fairly "unbalanced" in this aspect, and even though the traffic counts are continuing to increase and are on the whole very strong, the airport itself if way underutilized from a capacity standpoint.

I wonder who, if anyone, would take up the old NW gates on A? If B6 has to move out of D (just an assumption), they would probably just go over to one of the C gates again.

In any case, how will the DL/NW merger affect your airport from this standpoint?

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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

I would guess that STL won't be changed at all besides some signage. NW currently operates directly opposite DL in Concourse A, so there is no need for changing gates. The change will basically make the first one-third of Concourse A all DL gates, which I suppose is nice for them.

Operationally, the biggest benefit should hopefully be increased flexibility. NW operates out of only 2 gates and that can lead to problems when irregular ops result in more than 2 flights on the ground at the same time. It is not all that uncommon to arrive at STL and have to wait on the taxiway (or a pad) for one of the NW gates to clear. It also might allow DL to service all of the mainline aircraft from the wide-open even numbered gates since NW's A3 and A5 are pretty cramped at the end of the alley.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10065 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Concourse A:

Northwest (will move to D shortly)
US Airways

Why wouldn't DL switch with US?



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9941 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
Why wouldn't DL switch with US?

D has more room than A in terms of ramp space, office space, etc. Also the bag room is right under D. DL has always been in D so I assume they'll stay there. Also, the DL ticket counter right outside the D checkpoint is about twice the size of the current NW one.


User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9838 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
In any case, how will the DL/NW merger affect your airport from this standpoint?

In BOS there is tons of counter space in Term A although I'm not sure what the gate situation is. Apparantly there are a few empty gates in the satellite area. I doubt CO is moving anywhere soon as they only moved in last Nov so their gates wouldn't be available.


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9817 times:

In SLC the NW ticket counter will open up a space in terminal A--(there are 0 spaces now) and I would assume that either Continental or jetBlue will move into that counter space and office space that NW now has. As for the only NW gate on the A concourse, I would can only assume that US F9 B6 or we at CO will take be there.

NW really has no leased cargo space, as they are handled by one of the cargo vendors at the airport now.

When I was at the last SLC Airport Board Meeting, officials from AirTran were guests there, but they have been guests at those meeting 6 times over the last 3 years. Additonally, AS was also a guest at that meeting.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9808 times:



Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 4):
I doubt CO is moving anywhere soon as they only moved in last Nov so their gates wouldn't be available.

I believe that had to do with more of the skyteam fact, however, NW has international flights from BOS, is there any customs at A? Which is DL's own terminal anyway.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9790 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
Why wouldn't DL switch with US?

DL also has a Crown Room at MSY.

Any chance we see JetBlue move to A, which would free up a gate in D for the NW operations? NW only has 5 flights a day at MSY, and the current schedule can easily be tweaked to make it so that the NW flights only need one gate (there's currently a 410p departure to MEM, while there's a 406p arrival from MSP - that's the only overlap of NW flights currently. Have the MEM flights leave a few minutes earlier (it's currently a 51 minute turn; you can probably cut 10 minutes off that alone) and you should be good to go.

While not my current home airports (sans MSP), here are some thoughts on other airports:

GSO: NW currently has 2 gates, 7 daily flights (all CRJs). DL currently has 4 gates (3 jetways), 16 daily flights (3 mainline, 1 CRJ-700, 12 CRJs). Combined is 23 daily flights into 4 gates, which is what DL was operating at about a year or so ago (back then, there were 2x daily to MCO, 2x daily to BOS, 5x daily to CVG, so it roughly equals out in terms of departures). Mornings could be tight, but doable with some reworking of flight schedules (make the 600a to LGA back to a 550a departure, and some other small changes, and it could be done).

MHT: NW currently has 2 gates for a whopping 5 flights (2 mainline, 3 CRJ-900) with no overlapping flights. DL has 1 gate for 3 flights (2 CRJ, 1 CRJ-700), again no overlap. I could see DL moving from Gate 7 down to NW's current Gates 3/4, which is in a nicer section of the terminal (the former commuter terminal which got completely redone about 5 years ago).

MSP: Do we have to ask? DL will get assimilated into the Lindbergh Terminal. Will be nicer than the current E11/13/15 situation.

LAS: Wouldn't be shocked to see NW move to DL's current pier. Give DL the even side of the terminal (D30, 32, 34, 36, 40, 41, 42), give CO the odd side of the terminal (they only need 3 gates, and it would put them right next to their President's Club). Move VX from D30/32 (whichever one they use) to something across the hall - there would be 2 gates leftover (probably D31 or D33, before the President's Club). This would allow Allegiant to use the current NW gates, which would give them pretty much all of the D1-D20 concourse (as well as AA).

BOS: Probably see NW move over to DL's Terminal A, and tow the AMS flight over (or better yet, simply give the route to KLM so no need to tow planes over; do that, make the current NW club in Terminal E into an AF/KLM lounge since they'd have 3-4 daily departures, and you'd be good to go).

MCO: NW is already moving to the DL 70-79 concourse. I've heard rumours that DL might be taking back Gate 80 as well. The rest of the 80s stay international, while the 90s stay FL.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9761 times:



Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 4):
In BOS there is tons of counter space in Term A although I'm not sure what the gate situation is. Apparantly there are a few empty gates in the satellite area. I doubt CO is moving anywhere soon as they only moved in last Nov so their gates wouldn't be available.

The current DL counter space can easily accomodate NW's operations. Plenty of room there.

Same with the satellite. DL is down to less than 30 50-seat RJs out of BOS, so those can easily be run out of the Commuter Concourse (A9-A12). The 76-seat operation can easily be handled out of A1/A2 (Shuttle, outside of the first hour of the day, only needs one gate, which is A3). That leaves A4, plus 10 gates on the Satellite. DL can easily accommodate 100+ mainline flights a day with good scheduling there - however, there will be less than 50 mainline (not counting the Shuttle) departures a day by the combined carrier at BOS. Plenty of room to work with.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9754 times:

PDX should stay status quo, as NW & DL both operate out of D (basically across from each other). There may be some "scrunching up" to save on gate leases, but we'll see... Also, both carriers' operations areas are below D.

As for the ticket counters/bagrooms, I would hope that NW moves over to DL's space. They have tons of space at the counter (holdover from their time as a gateway), and a giant bag room compared to NW's.



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User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9723 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Which is DL's own terminal anyway.

Massports...CO leases from them. I believe DL changed their arrangement with Term A around during Bankruptcy. CO moved in because their lease in C was up and JetBlue prevailed over there getting their gates that IAH went out of. It was all negotiated with Massport, not DL or Skyteam.


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9708 times:

DFW will be interesting. I could foresee DL taking over E-11 from Alaska. Then Airtran could move a gate or two over giving DL E11-E17. Airtran would have E18-21, but I don't remember if there are actually 4 gates there. AS could move to E2, and then DFW could have UA to move into E4-6, so that they will be next to CO and have access to the President's Club. I think it would be possible, since UA closed the Red Carpet Club.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9678 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 5):
In SLC the NW ticket counter will open up a space in terminal A--(there are 0 spaces now) and I would assume that either Continental or jetBlue will move into that counter space and office space that NW now has. As for the only NW gate on the A concourse, I would can only assume that US F9 B6 or we at CO will take be there.

NW really has no leased cargo space, as they are handled by one of the cargo vendors at the airport now.

When I was at the last SLC Airport Board Meeting, officials from AirTran were guests there, but they have been guests at those meeting 6 times over the last 3 years. Additonally, AS was also a guest at that meeting.

SLC is one airport facility where space and gates are in short supply and at a premiium for any air carrier right now. You can bet that WN will also make a fast pitch to grab these open gates in the A Concourse.



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User currently offlineTreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9657 times:

Here at PHX the NW/DL consolidation will be pretty easy, NW uses gates 24 thru 26 at the end of the north concourse of T3, DL uses 15 thru 18 in north concourse of T3 with only a single F9 gate and FL gate, So all that needs to be done here is replacing the Northwest signage with Delta.

I just flew to Bemidji this last weekend and they have already posted signs about the DL/NW merger, I was surprised to see sings about it so fast up there. Should be interesting to see SF340s painted in Delta colors at BJI.



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User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

In TPA Airside E was built for DL/Song and also has UA/Ted and AC. I think UA should switch with NW in Aiside A.

Right Now:

Airside A:
AirTran
Continental/Gulfstream/Cape Air
Frontier
jetBlue
Northwest/KLM


Airside E
Air Canada
Delta
United/Ted

What I think will happen

Airside A
Airtran
Continental
Frontier
jetBlue
United

Airside E
Delta/Northwest



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User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 625 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

CLE is going to take a little shuffing, I'd imagine. Right now, they're isolated from each other with DL down on B (B2,B4,B6) and NW with a corner of C(C4,C6,C8). Seeing that there are no empty gates on B, and CO uses everything they can get their hands on in C, I could potentially see UA (B3,B5,B7) and NW swapping places, especially with Conty joining Star Alliance and starting to get cozy with UA.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4272 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9627 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):

LAS: Wouldn't be shocked to see NW move to DL's current pier. Give DL the even side of the terminal (D30, 32, 34, 36, 40, 41, 42), give CO the odd side of the terminal (they only need 3 gates, and it would put them right next to their President's Club). Move VX from D30/32 (whichever one they use) to something across the hall - there would be 2 gates leftover (probably D31 or D33, before the President's Club). This would allow Allegiant to use the current NW gates, which would give them pretty much all of the D1-D20 concourse (as well as AA).

What is more likely to happen is for NW to move into the Odd gates on that side, since UA just moved to the new pier that opened up. This would give DL/NW that pier to themselves, unless they were to put a carrier like AC there (I could easily see them moving there now that WestJet has already moved from 2 to B)

In BOS, I think CO jumped the gun with their move to A, which made sense. But with them going to Star, and partnering with UA, staying in C makes more sense now. NW will move to A, but I wonder how the terminal can handle an A330, or does this become an equipment change.

LGA is real easy since they share the terminal already there.

I will write on other stuff when I think about it.


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9559 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 9):
As for the ticket counters/bagrooms, I would hope that NW moves over to DL's space. They have tons of space at the counter (holdover from their time as a gateway), and a giant bag room compared to NW's.

Thats what I been hearing. Delta actually gave some of their counter space back to the Port not to long ago. The Port dismantled the Delta bagroom with its piers. They have three large racetracks now. One is for Delta, one was going to be for Northwest. I think the last one is for Continental. I could see US Airways moving down to were Northwest is now. Them and Southwest are getting new bagrooms down on the C consourse.

If Delta keeps the NRT and AMS flights. They could lease out at least half of the old Delta cargo building on the northside of the airport.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9560 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
Any chance we see JetBlue move to A, which would free up a gate in D for the NW operations?

That's what I'm thinking might happen. Also, NW does only have 5 flights right now (6 seasonally between February and June) but in the past they had up to 9. I'm wondering if DL will restore frequencies to DTW and/or MSP? Before XE went under I thought it'd be a good idea to move FL/XE/B6 to A, have US to move to C across from UA, and DL could scoop up the current B6 gate D1. Lot of uncertainty I guess.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9372 times:

With NW moving from A to D, we could see D become more of a SkyTeam concourse and cause a further shift in gate space. How many gates do CO have in D and how many do UA have in C? Once CO migrates over to Star, CO could move in with UA to C or both can designate A a Star concourse with US.


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

I'm guessing that NW (gate 11) will consolidate into DL's 3 gates (16, 18, 22) at PVD. DL has 8 flights at 3 gates and NW has 5 at 11. I'm sure that 3 gates can handle the 13 total flights between the 2 carriers.

User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9337 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 19):
How many gates do CO have in D and how many do UA have in C?

3 and 3



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9257 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 16):
What is more likely to happen is for NW to move into the Odd gates on that side, since UA just moved to the new pier that opened up. This would give DL/NW that pier to themselves, unless they were to put a carrier like AC there (I could easily see them moving there now that WestJet has already moved from 2 to B)

Only reason I think CO might move is due to the President's Club - their current gates are quite a hike away, so I could see CO wanting to be a little closer to their new lounge. Plenty of room for DL/NW/CO to coexist in that pier - DL's gates at LAS are a bit underused as it currently stands (BOS, LAX, MCO, FLL and TPA have all been cut in the past 18 months or so) so the even gates should be able to handle the combined carriers operations.

Put CO in the odds past the PC (there are three gates on the right side there in a cluster). Leaves two gates on that concourse for VX and someone else, and everyone's happy.

Quoting Treebeard787 (Reply 13):
I just flew to Bemidji this last weekend and they have already posted signs about the DL/NW merger, I was surprised to see sings about it so fast up there. Should be interesting to see SF340s painted in Delta colors at BJI.

There were signs up at both MSP and ONT this weekend heralding the merger.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Supposedly, in Columbus, Northwest will move from their two gates in Concourse B over to Delta's 4 gates in Concourse C by the first quarter of '09. There are 3 mostly unused gates next to Delta's gates in C (I say "mostly" since DL will occassionally park RJs at these stands), so there is ample room for Northwest's operations to move in. Assuming the combined carrier continues to utilize the additional two gates, the merged Delta would occupy gates C51-C56, and could potentially use C50 for RON or overflow aircraft/flights.

Hopefully as a result, Continental will move from their two gates in Concourse A to NW's vacated gates in B, since Star Alliance carriers Air Canada, United, and USAirways are all presently located in B as well. Supposedly, Southwest, which is also located in Concourse A, has had their eye on Continental's gates, so that would work out well for them too.

[Edited 2008-11-04 20:26:27]

User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9193 times:

Here in PIT...

Both NW and DL operate in D - NW at D81 and D83 (D85 for overflow), and DL at D76, D78, and D80. No one's at D82 or D84 (the old Vanguard gates, if memory serves me right), so maybe the new DL would completely own that whole side of D sans AA's gate at the end. CO might expand to D81 and if YX expands or AA does and has to kick out YX, they can go to D83 and/or D85.

We have so many gates open, the possibilities are endless!



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25 ERJ170 : As for RDU.. I predict the following.. DL will move to Terminal 2 on November 9 alone.. taking gates 8, 9, 10, 11, and 15. NW will move over before th
26 Post contains images DeltaRules : AirTran says hello. Where would FL go? I thought they were taking C50 & C51.[Edited 2008-11-04 21:32:11]
27 ERJ170 : I guess I should rephrase this.. In My OPINION, the information above will likely occur.. I have no definitive answer..
28 FlyCMH : FL is actually taking C48 &C49; where Midwest has been. Midwest moved back to B18 in the B Concourse a few weeks ago in anticipation of AirTran's set
29 NWAESC : Where at on C? Over by where QX & AS are? Thanks for the other PDX info as well!
30 Cubsrule : Here are a few more... MDW: I'm not sure what the gate lease situation is with the 3 C gates (they had been CO's), but I suspect DL and NW will consol
31 DALMD88 : The A330 will be operated out of A at least for now. We suspect there will be an equipment change coming maybe by summer. The big bus is a bit of a p
32 Clipper136 : In MCO on, or around the 1st December....NW will move to Airside 4 and take over gates 72, 74, 76. These are gate that DL gave up (but still use??) un
33 N7190JR : LGA and SAT are lucky.....there right next to each other -N7190JR
34 Airbazar : No customs and IIRC the largest aircraft that can be accomodated at terminal A is a 767. The A333 is just too long. I have a feeling that we'll be lo
35 Mayor : I was wondering about DL/NW's cargo facilities at ORD. Here's what I think.....very simple....DL cargo will move over to NW's newer cargo facility off
36 DeltaRules : Ok, that makes sense then. I was last at CMH the first week of October & saw a YX E170 parked at C48, so I figured they were still there and things w
37 Apodino : Any thought on what happens in LAX? Are they going to consolodate into 2 or 5 in LAX? guess would be 5 since 5 has more room than 2. What is more inte
38 Sdexplorer00 : LAX will use 5 and some of 6.
39 Burnsie28 : Delta will take over all of the lindburgh terminal since they plan on supposdily expanding MSP, of course they already went back on promises that the
40 Mayor : Delta will consolidate operations where it is the most economically feasible and makes the most sense in terms of moving. If moving DL's ops to NW's g
41 Tommy767 : This is correct. I think DL currently has 5-6 and NW has 4. DL will then have 10 gates and a whole satellite to themselves at EWR. The last time we s
42 Teneriffe77 : Here in SYR I anticipate NW moving to the north terminal as there a vacant one right (that DL used to use) right next to the DL gates at the end of th
43 EMB170 : PHL is interesting...DL just moved to A-East...but NW is stuck (for now) in E opposite where DL used to be. WN wants the whole concourse to themselves
44 STT757 : No way, they are behind AA and B6. I think they will give up the leases on all but 4-5 of the Terminal B gates, the five gates they give up would bec
45 Burnsie28 : Well since NW will be taking over DL ops for the most part in PHL, since DL doesn't have mainline atleast under the wing and NW does this will change
46 Apodino : Only thought I could think of would be for AA and NW to do a gate swap, with AA moving to D or E, and NW moving into A East. I say this is likely bec
47 Bobnwa : What promises are those they have gone back on. Speaking of saying things and not coming through, how about the pilot seniority settlement you know a
48 Tommy767 : Depends on what DL wants to do. This is a good opportunity for DL. Do you really think they are going to give up gates at such a valuable airport lik
49 Cubsrule : The current DL ticket counter is barely large enough for DL, let alone for combined operations. There's no way they can run 30 flights out of 2 gates
50 EMB170 : True, but then AA has to downsize. Right now, AA has A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, A9, and A11 (and has used A10 and possibly A8 from time to time; DL ofte
51 ORDagent : CO won't move to terminal 1. T1 is almost at capacity with UA alone. NH and LH ops are so comparatively small as not to be a huge burden. However rec
52 Apodino : The only question there becomes the AA gates. There isn't enough gates left in L to combine NW/DL ops, unless they are going to trim the ORD schedule
53 FLFlyer : In CMH, who uses gates C46-C49?
54 Apodino : One other thing worth mentioning about ORD. NK and AS operate flights out of L ground handled by DL I believe. If both airlines were to change ground
55 MSPflyer : How will Delta and Northwest combine their operations at DCA?
56 KingAir200 : According to the company, NWA will take over handling in cities where there is mainline NWA ground ops people and a DL contractor. Thus, I would imagi
57 KGAIflyer : At DCA, Delta has too many flights to fit into avalable gates in Concourse A where Northwest is, and Northwest has too many flights to fit into Conco
58 NWAESC : Why would nickel & diming your best customers be a good thing? Yeah, increased revenue; I get it... But at what cost?
59 DALMD88 : I think in BOS below wing is contract. By moving them to A DL can take over the ramp operation and mtc more easily. Above wing would still be handled
60 Sdexplorer00 : My understanding is that a few gates at the end of Terminal 6 can now or can be modified to handle the 744's.
61 MUWarriors : At MKE I would imagine that DL will move to Concourse E where NW is because there is a WorldClub there. I'd also guess that CO will relocate from E to
62 Nwaesc : BOS is mainline for NW (above & below). The 40 NW stations that are still staffed are "all or nothing." If there's NW employees above wing, then ther
63 NWA757300 : How big of an operation does DL have in SEA? Will the NW pier be able to handle the combined operation?
64 FLYjoe : There's other things here that isn't being considered that could add to the mix. Don't forget there could be deals made at other airports (gate switch
65 Post contains links FLYjoe : Here in CLT, DL has A1,3, while NW is using A6,8. They're a little bit apart, but not overly far away in A terminal. Now if they wanted to move them c
66 DeltaL1011man : is the UA BOS hangar larger or smaller? such as? Why not keep the CrownRoom name and give free WFI? huh? NW can fit into T5/6 And not even be tight.
67 JetJeanes : You guys have it all figured out. Now how do you move all the Nw gate to Dl gates at mem?
68 DeltAirlines : Right now, DL is primarily operating out of D36 (SLC is pretty much exclusively out of this gate), D38 (pretty much every ATL flight), D40, D41 and D
69 FWAERJ : AS is ground-handled by AA at ORD, not DL. However, I could see NK switching ground handlers/terminals, or possibly even switching airports. They hav
70 Cubsrule : I don't know why they'd take over the Ted Shed; those gates are pretty far away from security, and CO likely will have fewer connecting passengers th
71 FlyCMH : C46 is the "international gate", and is used primarily by USA3000/Apple Vacations for their weekly Cancun flight. C47 is a ground-level boarding gate
72 Phatfarmlines : NW is not a big player in TPA. At most, they only RON at most two aircraft every night at TPA. They can be easily accomodated in Airside E without ha
73 Aaway : I'll list the widebody capable gates (per max a/c size) DL has at T-5: 51B - 764 52A - 764 (non FIS) 54A - 762 (non-FIS) 54B - 762 (non-FIS) 57 - 772
74 Post contains links Njdevilsin03 : No mention of FLL yet? According to WWW.FLL.NET the gate situation will be as follows... At the present time, Delta and Northwest will continue to ope
75 DALMD88 : The UAL hangar is larger and much newer. It will fit a 777 and maybe a A330. The current DL hangar can fit two 757/763. I think the NW hangar can fit
76 RampRat74 : The United hangar was built to handle any aircraft up to the size of a 777. This is the first I have heard about us getting rid of it. I still don't
77 Bobnwa : It is the hanger that once belonged to TWA many moons ago. I believe it is next to the DL hanger.
78 Burnsie28 : NW will be taking over the ground ops in LAS, so since they already have established offices and such that may cause a difference. I have never said
79 Cubsrule : Those are both city gates. DL has to pay per use, which is why it would make far more sense for them to lease a third gate; at 10 flights per day per
80 Bobnwa : You are confusing what DLALPA wants and what Delta management (dreamteam) wants. Actually, the Delta management has pretty well stayed clear of the p
81 Mayor : By "dreamteam" do you mean the DL pilots? Actually, to be fair all around, it should be 1 for 1. The younger DL pilots should feel lucky that their o
82 DeltaRules : These four gates were Delta's prior to the expansion of C.
83 Dvincent : At BDL I'm sure DL will just absorb the gates NW uses, they're pretty much right next to each other in the new E concourse.
84 KingAir200 : Exactly. I don't understand how you can take away years of service someone has put in with a company, or its previous iterations, or on the flip-side
85 NWAESC : Well it may not mean much at DL, but it's everything here at NW. We don't have station seniority; you use your seniority in classification (PT ramp,
86 Mayor : I think you misunderstand what I mean by "station" seniority. You still have your company seniority, but in all day to day things, say when you have
87 DALMD88 : Makes sence to me. Where I fall out in the company doesn't matter much. I only care where I fall out among by fellow station employees. And then it o
88 NWAESC : I think we are? Okay, let me see if I'm on the same page with you guys: Let's say I'm an AMT, and have 1/1/1990 seniority. I've been in BOS since 199
89 Mayor : The one with the 1990 seniority. You still use your company seniority to bid with, but it is only within the station group you're bidding with. You d
90 NWAESC : That's what I was hoping you'd say... That's how it is here as well. If it was truly by "station seniority," the guy with 1992 seniority in my exampl
91 Mayor : I think that's pretty much the way it is at DL. You bid within your work groups. For instance, you would have separate bids for ramp, bagroom, etc. S
92 COTPARampGuy : Actually DL brings at least 2 767s into TPA every day, one being a RON.
93 ElBandGeek : AFAIK, They currently have 4 total gates. DL on C1 and A1 (used for the LGA shuttle) and NW at A5 and A7. Moving it all to C seems like the best choi
94 Surfdog75 : I have heard that DL wants all of T-5 and T-6 (22 gates).
95 Smcmac32msn : In MKE there are 3 available gates on the E concourse, gates 60, 61, and 69. CO has gates 62-63. NW has gates 64-68. Delta is in the C concourse that
96 DeltaL1011man : Sounds good. Best of luck!! Have you ever been to T5? If not then number one you shouldn't question someone who has many times. DL can fit NW trust m
97 Cubsrule : I think you're right about C3, which would permit them to handle 4 RONs on C. They could still use A1 or another city gate on an as-needed basis, but
98 DTWAGENT : Here in DTW. DL has 4 gates as of right now in the McNamar terminal. In the B concourse. NWA is in the A and C concourses of the McNamar terminal. Thi
99 Phatfarmlines : I stand corrected. The one RON can easily fit at one of the corner gates in Airside E without blocking a gate.
100 Jfk777 : I can't believe the new Terminal A im Boston has a problem with an A330. And Massport is showing bad government by not allowing another FIS in Boston
101 KBUF : NW and DL's gates are next to each other at BUF as it is, albeit with a food court (under construction) between them, so DL would most likely stay put
102 JerseyGuy : DelWest would be foolish to give up many gates on the off chance WN wants a real New York presence. At this point they are the only ones I can see who
103 FlyDeltaJets : No room in T2 and T3 in JFK for combined ops. Unless more hardstand flights. We shall see no rumors on anything yet
104 Apodino : I've been saying it for years. They missed a golden opportunity with A on this (Which was originally supposed to hold all the sky team airlines, incl
105 Cubsrule : Would that have connected the two halves of B post-security?
106 Airbazar : The A333 does not fit in A, and I don't think the 764 fits in there either. As for the FIS issue in A, it has been discussed here ad nauseam. Suffice
107 Apodino : Massport had a hand in designing the new terminal, and if you look at the original plans, there was a plan for one of the CRC's to actually be a Busi
108 Mayor : If I recall, at one time DL had plans to make BOS a TATL gateway, maybe to LGW and FCO. Don't remember what year that was, tho. Had to be late 90's o
109 Aaway : I have in my possession a Massport BOS - Terminal A Aircraft Parking Plan map, dated December, 2006. It indicates that gates A6 and A8 are up to B777
110 Airbazar : I know about those two gates. Now tell me, do you see it as a good investment to build and staff an FIS facility can would handle at most 4-6 interna
111 Cubsrule : If Massport built an FIS in B and one in A, how many flights would that leave in E? EI and VS would stay over there, but most everyone else would mov
112 Apodino : Hold on here. Everyone is assuming that if an FIS was built in B, that the One World carriers would automatically move. I don't see this happening at
113 Cubsrule : The McNamara FIS facility really doesn't have that many gates; IIRC 10 are connected to FIS, but they use one of those for Saabs, leaving only 9 park
114 Airbazar : Agreed, which is why you probably don't have FIS at B. Instead they put up the Eagle terminal. There's simply not enough demand for it and if they bu
115 Apodino : I disagree there isn't enough demand in B. USAirways alone can have up to 7 International Arrivals on a day in BOS. AA can have up to 6. Thats a tota
116 Burnsie28 : More gates can be changed over if needed, it was built into the design plans. The gate isn't only designated to Saabs and CRJ's, it can be used at a
117 Aaway : Had DL's strategy for BOS not changed, an integrated FIS - developed and financed by DL - would've been a wonderful competitive tool vs. AA and US. O
118 Cubsrule : Is it 2 more or 4 more? Regardless, the fact that DHS will staff 2 FIS facilities at DTW but (allegedly) only 1 at BOS is a bit suspect.
119 Aaway : Not necessarily. Could be regional and/or locality differences in DHS budgeting/staffing driving this.
120 Airbazar : ORD - No FIS facility at AA's T1. JFK - BA owns it's own terminal MIA - Irrelevant since MIA is only 1 terminal and everyone uses the same FIS. But r
121 Cubsrule : Aren't there 2 at MIA? There are certainly 2 FIS exits that are quite far apart. ...but it's a mess in the afternoons. Terminal 5 at ORD isn't anywhe
122 Commavia : It wasn't AA's choice. After 9/11, MassPort killed the proposal, even though AA wanted to continue with getting their own FIS for B. At the time, AA/
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