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User currently offlineJSquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 28952 times:

With the election nearly over, I was curious about a few things related to Obama's 757, McCain's 737, as well as "Air Force One".

1. How long will each candidate keep their respective plane, and what use might they have after returning to their lessors? Did they have any special configurations inside?

2. Will the winning candidate have use of US Government aircraft between the election and inauguration, or will they still have to provide their own transportation? I would assume that the President-Elect will be treated with the same security as if he were the sitting president.

3. What will be Bush's last trip on the VC-25s?

4. What, if anything, will change on the VC-25s between when Bush leaves and Obama/McCain take over?

Thanks for any insight!

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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 28950 times:



Quoting JSquared (Thread starter):
With the election nearly over, I was curious about a few things related to Obama's 757, McCain's 737, as well as "Air Force One".

1. How long will each candidate keep their respective plane, and what use might they have after returning to their lessors? Did they have any special configurations inside?

2. Will the winning candidate have use of US Government aircraft between the election and inauguration, or will they still have to provide their own transportation? I would assume that the President-Elect will be treated with the same security as if he were the sitting president.

3. What will be Bush's last trip on the VC-25s?

4. What, if anything, will change on the VC-25s between when Bush leaves and Obama/McCain take over?

Thanks for any insight!

1. They will probably hold on to them until they no longer need them (IE sworn in)

2. They would be presidents-elect, not actually sworn in, so I believe they cannot use govt. aircraft/vehicles until sworn in.

3. Bush's last trip on the VC-25 will be his flight home to crawford.

4. The only things that may change would be some interior decor items, any hardware/aircraft is determined by the USAF and Congress.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28857 times:



Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 1):
1. They will probably hold on to them until they no longer need them (IE sworn in)

They will be ditched almost immediatly. Too expensive to just keep around.

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 1):
2. They would be presidents-elect, not actually sworn in, so I believe they cannot use govt. aircraft/vehicles until sworn in.

Wrong. Their is money set aside for the President Elect immediately. And the Secret Service considerations are almost as if he is a sitting president. The big motorcades with the battlewagons show up very quickly.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12564 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28827 times:



Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 1):
2. They would be presidents-elect, not actually sworn in, so I believe they cannot use govt. aircraft/vehicles until sworn in.

I thought that they COULD use the aircraft, but they would carry a normal USAF callsign, but then - after the election - they would use their presidential callsign.

When Nixon was forced to resign, the aircraft took off as Air Force 1, but after his resignation took effect (while he was in the air), it took on a normal USAF callsign.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28807 times:

1) Within a few days they'll be returned.....
2) As Senators, both already have use of Gov't planes.....
3) As said, his flight home to Crawford, TX....
4) Very little will change....

I'm sure you'll see the Palin E190 headed back to jetBlue within 48 hrs. Thanksgiving is coming and they need it back for holiday traffic

[Edited 2008-11-04 15:46:54]


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28779 times:



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 2):
Wrong. Their is money set aside for the President Elect immediately. And the Secret Service considerations are almost as if he is a sitting president. The big motorcades with the battlewagons show up very quickly.

This is correct....what type of aircraft it is I don't know offhand.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
I thought that they COULD use the aircraft, but they would carry a normal USAF callsign, but then - after the election - they would use their presidential callsign.

It's not Air Force One obviously, but like the VP travels in AF2, it's probably some designation similar to that. I dunno, maybe AF3?


User currently offlineEI A330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28727 times:

If I recall correctly, George W. Bush flew from Texas to Washington, D.C. on an American Airlines 737-800 (the Retrojet) for his swearing in. That would lead me to believe that the president-elect does not have access to the presidential fleet before they are sworn. This would not negate the security provisions that would need to be enacted with the president-elect.


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1588 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28708 times:

As said previously, the airplanes will be returned almost immediately. GWB traveled on a North American 757 during the 2000 compaign and ended up going to Washington on AA's retro 737.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28654 times:

I'd like to see the McCain blue/yellow 737. It has a nice paintscheme. He hasn't been using it for a while though. It used to fly with PACE I think, wonder if we'd see it in those colors for a while longer?

User currently offlineTIALATI From Albania, joined Sep 2007, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28625 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I am under the impression that G.W.Bush would still be able to use the VC25 after the new president is sworn-in office albeit with a different call sign to AF1.

User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28536 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 8):
I'd like to see the McCain blue/yellow 737. It has a nice paintscheme. He hasn't been using it for a while though. It used to fly with PACE I think, wonder if we'd see it in those colors for a while longer?

I saw N755NA in Vegas last Saturday.. I made sure of that..



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User currently offlineBluewingwalker From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28507 times:

I know this isn't McCain, or Obama's plane, but here's info on Palin's plane:

Nov. 6 the aircraft’s fuselage will be repainted white and the jet will be used as a spare aircraft. It will be fully repainted with JetBlue livery on Nov. 12 and then return to revenue service mid-November.

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User currently offlineYamatthey From Switzerland, joined Aug 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28467 times:



Quoting TIALATI (Reply 9):
TIALATI From Albania, joined Sep 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0

Correct me if I'm wrong but I am under the impression that G.W.Bush would still be able to use the VC25 after the new president is sworn-in office albeit with a different call sign to AF1.

G.W.Bush will use the Boeing VC-25A for his last trip to crawford on January 20, 2009 (Inauguration Day), but the call sign will be "SAM 28000" or "SAM 29000", not "Air Force One".


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 28259 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
This is correct....what type of aircraft it is I don't know offhand.

Anything from Gulfstreams to C-40's possibly. It depends on how many people will be traveling with them and the trip they are taking in them.

Once a President is out of office, use of the VC-25's is no longer allowed unless it's in the case of death (like with Ronald Reagan). That's my understanding. I think they can still ride on it, but they cannot request to use it for themselves.



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User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 28053 times:



Quoting EI A330-200 (Reply 6):
If I recall correctly, George W. Bush flew from Texas to Washington, D.C. on an American Airlines 737-800 (the Retrojet) for his swearing in

Maybe the President is secretly an aviation fan himself lol. Who wouldn't like to ride on the Retrojet??
I'd surely consider it a highlight.

Tchau

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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 27982 times:
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The president-elect receives secret service protection and has access to government officials, but he and his team do not get to use government assets and facilities. There is instead a transition fund worth several millions of dollars from which offices, staff and expenses (including travel expenses) are paid for, so expenses covered by the campaign are eliminated as soon as possible.

Quoting Yamatthey (Reply 12):
G.W.Bush will use the Boeing VC-25A for his last trip to crawford on January 20, 2009 (Inauguration Day), but the call sign will be "SAM 28000" or "SAM 29000", not "Air Force One".

Usually, the outgoing president begins his trip home before the swearing-in ceremony, so at take-off and for a certain amount of time, the call sign still is Air Force One. Somewhere in mid-flight as soon as the new president is sworn in, the call sign changes.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27778 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 15):
but he and his team do not get to use government assets and facilities.

He can request the use of any government vehicles and/or aircraft during the transition. It must be approved by the president, and is 'reimbursable'.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineBigWNFan From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27736 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 15):

This happened when President Nixon's resignation took effect. President Bush will attend the inauguration. At the beginning of the event, President Bush will be announced and Hail to the Chief will be played. Then, eventually, President-elect Obama will be sworn-in and President Bush will fly home afterwards on a plane that WILL NOT have the Air Force One callsign.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27687 times:



Quoting BigWNFan (Reply 17):
Then, eventually, President-elect Obama will be sworn-in and President Bush will fly home afterwards on a plane that WILL NOT have the Air Force One callsign.

Well, he is no longer the President at that point, so I guess that would be obvious .... perhaps not!


Jimbo



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User currently offlineBigWNFan From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27667 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 18):

It's not obvious to some people on here.


User currently offlineStgs1988 From Denmark, joined Sep 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26236 times:

Dosen's the VC-25's use a "secret or regular" callsign so that nobody can know or see where the plane actually is?

Isn't the Air Force One callsign used on a short part of the trip and "only" for formality reasons?


User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25771 times:

Just out of curiosity when will the US President upgrade airforce 1? Maybe a 748 perhaps? Just curious. My appologies if this has been discussed.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25659 times:



Quoting Stgs1988 (Reply 23):
Dosen's the VC-25's use a "secret or regular" callsign so that nobody can know or see where the plane actually is?

No.....its either AF1 or SAM2800 or SAM2900



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User currently offlineAvalon2862 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26212 times:



Quoting 1821 (Reply 24):
Just out of curiosity when will the US President upgrade airforce 1? Maybe a 748 perhaps? Just curious. My appologies if this has been discussed.

There's been interest, by the US government, in acquiring a couple of A380s as replacements for Air Force One. I don't know what, if any, plans have been made for a replacement, however I do know that Airbus was approached by the US government and that there were discussions about the feasability of designating an A380 as Air Force One. I think this was as recent as last year.

IMHO, though, I think that the current VC-25s will remain at least thru Obama's first term. Wouldn't be wise (politically speaking) to win an election based on change for middle-income Americans and then turn around and spend hundreds of millions on new jets for the President.


User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 25323 times:



Quoting JSquared (Thread starter):
4. What, if anything, will change on the VC-25s between when Bush leaves and Obama/McCain take over?

They'll remove the padding from the entry doors on aircraft with low clearance. Ever see Bush board an aircraft and hit his head? lol. Wasn't the VC-25 though...


25 Luv2cattlecall : Since when? Last I heard...they were reimbursed the cost of a F ticket back home up to once a week. If they fly on a lobbyist's corp. jet, they must
26 Jetstar : The sitting President is still President until the time the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court swears in the President Elect on January 20 and attend
27 Kcm572 : Not True. Traditional protocol for Inaguration Day is for the President Elect to meet with the sitting President at the White House the morning of Ja
28 Post contains links Avalon2862 : How about Flightglobal.com??? http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...potentially-a-c-5-replacement.html Why not? They've already chosen a European he
29 RFields5421 : Well - do remember he was a pilot at one time and did fly some pretty hot US Air National Guard jet fighters. No, one of the things the US rightfully
30 Luv2cattlecall : The difference is that there was significant differentiation between the offerings for a chopper.... The 747, on the other hand, is just as capable,
31 Avalon2862 : It's obviously not that big of a concern for the Air Force if they are soliciting proposals from Airbus!
32 Hiflyer : McCain made a statement while meeting with the press enroute to Arizona that this would be the last flight of the aircraft for him. Whether the dems k
33 Pnwtraveler : Former Presidents fly on government aircraft but it is when they are on business for the government and not for all their travel. It is not at their c
34 Bassie2010 : Although most people above claims that this will happen during his flight home, his last flight might take a (very) long time. The last flight of Pre
35 DTW757 : No that is not the case. The callsign "Air Force One" is only used when the president is aboard. If the airplane is flying empty or the president is
36 Skyguy : You are correct. Traditionally, on Inaugaration Day, the incoming President-Elect is invited to the The White House by the outgoing President for a f
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yep. He won't have official access and "control" of the presidential a/c until after the swearing in. Yeah, his last flight home will be on AF1 but t
38 STT757 : Question: Obama might be heading to Hawaii soon for his Grand Mothers memorial service, would he fly on his campaign plane, another charter like a Net
39 RFields5421 : There are limitations on campaign aircraft usage. Did he use the campaign aircraft on the last trip to Hawaii? However, I thing the Secret Service wou
40 YULWinterSkies : First off, are these "AF 1" planes so old? (I know AF1 is not a plane but a flight # (callsign), but) my point is that the 742s (aka VC-25s) usually
41 STT757 : Yes.
42 Everett67 : Along the same lines here. I was wondering about the pilot's. Are the pilots for both candidates contracted out from airlines, or from the military?
43 RFields5421 : For the campaign - it is just another charter flight for the crews provided by the aircraft operators.
44 Post contains links Hiflyer : The campaign charters for the major races are normally what is called "Wet Charters"where the aircraft owner supplies aircraft, crew, and ground logi
45 413X3 : I think you misunderstood what he said
46 SPREE34 : Or any number of call signs designated by Commanders. No. Or any number of call signs designated by Commanders
47 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well, since Obama is taking over I see spinners being added to the wheels. I also think the window's will be tinted and huge sub-whoofers will be put
48 PanAm788 : Gross. French planes as Air Force One?!? Not gonna happen, it'll be a 748. If we can't even have an Airbus tanker without controversy, how are we gon
49 Hiflyer : The current fleet are 'based' on the 742 for a couple of major reasons....first the use of 'steam' gauges in the cockpit for reliability and the far
50 SWA TPA : I just flew into JFK and saw Obama's 757 sitting over on the remote parking pad near terminals 3 and 4. Does this perhaps mean they are finished with
51 Pnwtraveler : No matter what, if the Secret Service picks up any threats of merrit on their "radar" screens, they will trump anything and put Obama under even stric
52 Ken777 : I doubt if Obama & Family will turn their noses up at the interior of the planes. And I think he will have far more important things on his mind than
53 Avalon2862 : Talk to the freakin' USAF then! I never said it would be an A380.. all I did was reiterate that the Air Force solicited information and a strategy fo
54 STT757 : I guess that answers the question, since Obama is in Chicago and the plane is at JFK they must be done with the aircraft. I guess the US Government w
55 Bond007 : It's no more 'overkill' than flying a 747 anywhere in the USA. Using the most 'efficient' aircraft is probably the bottom of the list of important fa
56 Lufthansa411 : Even if you were only talking about the mechanical aspects of the aircraft: You would be surprised what the presidents say is in AF1. Just like the f
57 YYCowboy : What route did Pailins E190 take to Alaska and back to Phoenix on election day?
58 Moose135 : Yes...it was released back to North American Tuesday night. Hope you got photos, it goes back for repaint soon.[Edited 2008-11-05 21:07:57]
59 RFields5421 : Two B757 aircraft have already been upgraded with communications suites to near match the VC-25. Also one Gulfstream C-20 has the greatest communicat
60 AirCop : As was the Swift plane used by McCain, it arrived in Tucson last night, for repainting etc.
61 Contrails15 : Obama's 757 came into JFK about 1045 today. I was doing a flight at T-5 when I saw it coming around the bend and crossing over to North Americans hard
62 Litz : What is amazing is how efficiently they can move the President around. We've had various presidents in Atlanta over the years, flying into both Harts
63 Pnwtraveler : The Chicago article that touched all this off in no doubt accurate in that someone spoke to Airbus and I am sure Boeing as well. Given the economic cl
64 Post contains links Moose135 : Sorry to tell you this, but I think you missed it - it left for MIA shortly thereafter, where it will be repainted soon. http://flightaware.com/live/
65 TVNWZ : I don't think it would have any bearing on it. Never has. And it is usually timed to enter service at the end of a presidiental term. the 747 was int
66 Contrails15 : This is my luck. Thanks for the heads up, at least I get the disappointment out of the way before I go into work tomorrow.
67 SFOnative : Considering the morning after the election, McCain was already seen pulling out of the parking lot of one of his Condos in Arizona driving his own Gol
68 RFields5421 : Usually timed? Sorry but there has only been one replacement of the presidential jet, there has not been enough changes in the aircraft to establish
69 Chgoflyer : This is completely untrue.
70 Viscount724 : While SAM 27000 was in service for 29 years (1972-2001), it was only the primary Air Force One aircraft for 18 years since the current 747s arrived i
71 Sphealey : For the record: Mr. and Mrs. Obama live in the City of Chicago, in the heart of Chicago's South Side. About as urban as you can get and still be cons
72 RFields5421 : Thanks - then that is even more a problem for the Obama family and their neighbors. Their street will be closed to vehicle traffic. A security cordon
73 Post contains links Luv2cattlecall : Not much different than Clintion taking it to Arkansas or Bush taking it to TX... Exactly...he just has a normal house there, not a ranch that he can
74 AA777223 : Is the 757 equipped to handle everything the VC-25 is? I understand obviously there cannot be all the creature comforts on the 757 as on the 747 do t
75 RFields5421 : The C-32A is configured for 45 passengers - vs the 70 for the VC-25. The C-32A has a crew of 16 and it includes a pretty fancy comm suite - but nothin
76 AA777223 : It's funny that you say all of this. I went to college in Waco and grew up in the park cities area. My parents are actually in DC this weekend, hopef
77 FlyDreamliner : Obama is on a big kick to make the federal government and the president more environmental. He is replacing the entire presidential fleet with hybrid
78 AirNZ : Can you please explain since when is an A380 a French plane?
79 JayDavis : If any of you get a chance, there is a very interesting show that I saw about Air Force One on The National Geographic channel, earlier this year. It
80 Mirrodie : True. Isn't it correct that the A/C that returned her to AK was the McCain 737? I thought that was what I saw on the news.
81 Post contains links STT757 : She flew the Jetblue ERJ-190 back to Alaska, they showed it on the news. Jetblue claims a record for the type, after it dropped her off in Anchorage
82 AircraftGeek : Explanation? Probably ignorance plus arrogance.
83 Bmacleod : Technically, the VC-25 is Air Force One only when the president is aboard. Otherwise is goes by SAM 28000/29000. There was an episode of NCIS, the pi
84 FlyDreamliner : He'll probably keep flying on a 757. I will guess that much like Clinton, Obama will favor the C-32 for use as AirForce 1 ... it is more environmenta
85 Moose135 : The North American 757 that was leased for the campaign has already been returned to the airline. It arrived at JFK Wednesday evening and went to MIA
86 Mir : What was the registration of Palin's 190? The current 747 fleet isn't going anywhere soon. First of all, they don't fly nearly as much as an airliner
87 EMBQA : 239...........
88 SPREE34 : Or any number of call signs determined by the commanders.
89 RFields5421 : I agree. When I call presidential travel a circus - that's exactly what it looks like - a circus train. If the VC-25 is not used - TWO aircraft have
90 EMBQA : It all depends on the mission on how many people travel with the President
91 Lexy : Fascinating read!! Probably one of the best all around post on ANet in a long while. Kudos to you for that my friend.
92 TVNWZ : He has no power to order anything like that--at least not until he actually is sworn in. The Secret Service has the most to say about this. What is y
93 RFields5421 : President Elect Obama and his family are in Washington DC today. Does anyone know when they flew in from Chicago and what aircraft was used?
94 EMBQA : My guess... Oprah Air...!!
95 Confuscius : Chartered American Airlines MD-80. I wonder if AA waived the check in luggage fee.
96 Post contains links Litz : Here's a shot of them boarding their AA MD80 : http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/PO...a.bush/t1home.obama.mon.11.cnn.jpg - litz
97 Pdxcessna206 : From my understanding, the president is like a guest in a hotel when in the White House or in the planes. The presidents have little influence on "ch
98 FlyDreamliner : It was on CNN over the weekend that Obama had announced that he wants better than 50% of the federal fleet to be plug-in hybrid by the end of his ter
99 RFields5421 : Congress doesn't have to tell him no - they have to give him a blank check. President Obama will have to ask Congress to find several tens of million
100 Pdxcessna206 : Since when does he make the call? He flys in the 747s for security issues. If they replace the 747s with anything smaller I would call them complete
101 FlyingClrs727 : The VC-25's are not ordinary 742's. They have a glass cockpit based on the 747-400 cockpit not the old 742 steam gauges. It aslso has the aerodynamic
102 Post contains images Confuscius : Looks like he's seating on coach.
103 Post contains links and images LGA777 : Going back to the earlier discussion about the limits of the VC-32A vs the VC-25. I was very, very fortunate to get to tour a VC-32A at ADW two years
104 JAAlbert : The president-elect does have access to gov't aircraft at the discretion of the sitting president, usually upon request of the secret service. Ford s
105 FlyDreamliner : A politician not following through with their too-good-to-be-true promises? Shun the thought. Have you seen the Tahoe (or is it a Suburban) that Obam
106 AirCop : McCain's plane N802TJ is back in service with Swift, sans the McCain-Palin titles, but still retains the paint..
107 Post contains links DTW757 : The president has no say over what he/she rides around in. The secret service is in charge. There is a new presidential limo in the works even as we
108 EMBQA : The titles have been painted back on and it's back flying full time for jetBlue
109 FlyPBA : Sorry. Air Force 1 is a symbol of this country. It will always be operated by a US aircraft ... never mind that a 747 can pretty much land anywhere on
110 Spacecadet : But you realize that more often than not, the VC-25's are flying full, right? The president doesn't travel alone. He brings along his entire security
111 Alphaomega : No - it doesn't need to be secret because the communicate on UHF not VHF and so what if you know where it is? You can always find out where its leavi
112 LifelinerOne : Is Barack going to fly by the callsign of "The One" in stead of "Air Force One" now? Cheers!
113 DTW757 : The incident came back before SAM 26000 was in service. The incident was between a flight with President Eisenhower traveling onboard "Air Force 610"
114 AirNZ : Hmmm! Would you not be better off being a bit more knowledgable and factual? Air Force 1 is merely a call sign assigned to ANY aircraft (as in USAF a
115 FlyPBA : I know that Air Force One is the call sign ... it is also the colloquial name for the VC-25s and it is obvious you know what I am talking about and t
116 Alphaomega : Ha! I'd like to see the Cadillac tanks the Secret Service uses run on electric - they might make it out of the gate but it'll die right there on Penn
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