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AC 777W To Cancun?  
User currently offlineDmanmtl From Canada, joined May 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

I noticed in checking some vacation destinations that AC is flying a 773 from YUL to CUN this winter...

I am surprised that a plane of this size could land at a small airport like CUN however I don't know what the runway length is...

Are any other carriers flying 777s to CUN?

D in Mtl

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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3709 times:



Quoting Dmanmtl (Thread starter):
I am surprised that a plane of this size could land at a small airport like CUN however I don't know what the runway length is...

I believe that CUN's runway is just over 11000ft, so no problems there. Even if it were shorter, seeing that it's a pretty short flight (for a 777) I'm sure the fuel load is quite light making it possible to use less runway if needed.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3691 times:



Quoting Dmanmtl (Thread starter):
I am surprised that a plane of this size could land at a small airport like CUN however I don't know what the runway length is...

Cancun handles trans-Atlantic flights; British Airways even used to fly there.



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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 694 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Cancun can easily handle AC's 77W. Charter airlines often send their largest planes to CUN from Europe, including Corsair's 744s, which has more than 550 seats.

And are you sure the 77W is being used from YUL to CUN? I believe it might be from YYZ to CUN.



Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3596 times:



Quoting Dmanmtl (Thread starter):
am surprised that a plane of this size could land at a small airport like CUN

It depends on what yu consider a small airport. Let me enlighten you a bit since, obviously, you have not even bothered to check airport pictures on the Airliners data base to realise it is far cry from a "small airport"..

Cancun is the largest tourist destination in Mexico and the whole of the Caribbean.
Its airport (3 terminal buildings) handles almost 14 million passengers per annum and, though it currently has a single 3,500 mt long runway, it will soon have a second parallel 2,800 mt long one to cope with increasing traffic.

There are non-stop flights from Cancún to Rome, Milan or Bologne, quite apart from Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, Dusseldorf and several other European capitals over 10 hours-flying time away from here.. and all operated with "heavies"- including 747-400s from Corsair non-stop to Orly..

Up to now, all Air Canada flights (weekly though) from Vancouver have been with 767 equipment so it makes perfect sense to introduce the 777 on a route that is almost always fully booked year round.

Greetings from Cancún.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3510 times:



Quoting Civilav (Reply 4):
Up to now, all Air Canada flights (weekly though) from Vancouver have been with 767 equipment so it makes perfect sense to introduce the 777 on a route that is almost always fully booked year round.

Yea well the flight is from YYZ and it replaces two 321s. The 77W carries 349 passangers, while two 321s carry 348 passangers. The 77W would have 2 more J class seats, and 1 less Y seat. Over all its a good move by AC the flight is not a buisness destination and therefor frequency is not a big deal, flying 1 airplane (albeit bigger) is cheaper then flying two!

Cheers,
Chris



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting Dmanmtl (Thread starter):
I am surprised that a plane of this size could land at a small airport like CUN however I don't know what the runway length is...

CUN is not a "small airport". It has an 11,500 ft runway and handles nonstop flights (mostly charters) to/from Europe. It's been the 4th busiest airport in Latin America, and the 2nd busiest airport in Mexico (just behind MEX) for the past few years.

[Edited 2008-11-04 17:51:29]

User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Hmmm... a daily 77W to CUN? Might go a bit crazy and catch a cheap flight to CUN and then fly to the horrible cold of the Canadian winter just to experience the 77W!


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDmanmtl From Canada, joined May 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Yes

Quoting Civilav (Reply 4):
And are you sure the 77W is being used from YUL to CUN? I believe it might be from YYZ to CUN.

Yes, you are correct it is from YYZ not YUL.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 5):
obviously, you have not even bothered to check airport pictures on the Airliners data base to realise it is far cry from a "small airport"..

Ya, you're right I did not "bother" thanks for enlightening me!


User currently onlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1396 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Iam heading down to CUN in Feb for spring break, I'm flying direct from YAM on CanJet so unfortunately I won't get to fly on the 77W, but hopefully I'll get to see one there.
One a side note what types of planes can I expect to seen in Feb. during the busy season?

Cal  airplane 



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2826 times:



Quoting Dmanmtl (Thread starter):
I am surprised that a plane of this size could land at a small airport like CUN however I don't know what the runway length is...

As small as CUN can handle alone in its 3 terminals near to +15 heavies or more.

g77



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2767 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 5):
lying 1 airplane (albeit bigger) is cheaper then flying two!

I somehow doubt that there would be a cost saving with 1x 77W over 2x A321. 4x CFM56-5Bs will burn a lot less fuel than 2x GE90-115Bs. Crew costs would be higher however.

What you're gaining is the opportunity to operate another route with the A321s replaced, in exhange for greater utilization of the 77W fleet (and possibly more delays).

However would be a nice change from the usual aircraft on the route. It has always surprised me that AC doesn't have a higher density configuration on the A321 to better suit this type of traffic.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

AC moves their fleet around the whole system and with the exception of the older 767-200's that were configuered for Rapidair deployment, doesn't have packed planes with max seats for charter and holiday use like some airlines. The only other aircraft that you can have a very pleasant surprize is if a Jetz aircraft are substituted. Usually on shorthaul flights on off peak days. Kind of funny being on a total J Class aircraft on those routes. They have the large traditional non-pod type seats that the rest of the fleet uses for J Class.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2459 times:

WOW, that's such a large aircraft for such a short route.....However, last holiday season, Air Canada added something like 9 extra 767 flights a week. So I'm sure AC knows what they're doing.....

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2432 times:



Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 9):
One a side note what types of planes can I expect to seen in Feb. during the busy season?

You'll see all sorts of stuff.

AA: 738, 752, A300 possibly
CO: 737-700/800/900, possibly 752/3
DL: MD-88, 752, 763
UA: A320
US: 757, A320
MX: A320, 757
AM: MD-87/88
USA 3000: A320

Lots of other Mexican carriers, Volaris, Interjet, Viva Aerobus, Magnicharters, Aviasca etc...

From Europe and Canada, you'll see My Travel 332, First Choice 763, Canada 3000 757, Corsair 744.

And my personal favorite: Cubana Yak-42!

Cheers,
Cameron

P.S. If you want to see some stuff, check out my trip reports from CUN.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2275 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 14):

From Europe and Canada, you'll see...Canada 3000 757

Not unless you're traveling by time machine, you won't.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2491 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 14):
Canada 3000 757



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 15):
Not unless you're traveling by time machine, you won't.



I think he meant to say Air Transat A310's and A330's from YUL, YYZ, YYC, YEG, YVR, YHZ, YQB and YQQ.

The Canada-Cancun market during the winter is huge, to say the least. If Air Transat can send A332's and an A333 to CUN, why shouldn't AC send their B77W !

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2008-11-05 15:51:54]


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1993 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 16):
The Canada-Cancun market during the winter is huge, to say the least. If Air Transat can send A332's and an A333 to CUN, why shouldn't AC send their B77W !

Agree the Canadian-Cancun market is huge, but it does seem different

Probably not a bad idea, send the 777 to Cancun in the morning, and it comes back to Toronto or Montreal just in time to do an European trip. That's the benefit of short flights


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4987 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1953 times:



Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 11):
4x CFM56-5Bs will burn a lot less fuel than 2x GE90-115Bs.

Close but not quite.

Being curious, I pulled out some flight plans for today YYZ-YVR, (a little longer than YYZ-CUN) to compare aircraft type fuel burns. This is what I found.

A321-200 - 174 seats - Fuel burn 14,700 Kgs or 84 Kgs per seat
B777-300 - 349 seats - Fuel burn 28,100 Kgs or 81 Kgs per seat
A340-300 - 286 seats - Fuel burn 26,300 Kgs or 92 Kgs per seat
A330-300 - 274 seats - Fuel burn 23,200 Kgs or 85 Kgs per seat

These are all for today, YYZ-YVR and about 4:40 flying time for each. (A bit less for the Triple and a bit more for the A321).

But you can see that in fact fuel burn on 2 A321s is more than 1 B777. However, hang those 4 CFM56s on an A340 and you burn less than the B777 ... but ... carry less load.



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