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Some LAX Terminal Ops Questions For November  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

There are always some people here who know the answers to such questions, so here goes:

How is the T3 renovation for VX going? Have they moved yet? Left LAX last WED and saw the VX birds and F9 bird parked at T6, which was a new sight for me. I thought the move date was Nov 1 for VX.

QF A380 at TBIT. How do they work that for departing customers? SYD pax know that they check-in at T4, but is that the case with the A380? Do they send pax to TBIT pre or post security?

Now that the merger is official with NW and DL, any more news on how the whole TwoCorp thing is shaking out with regard to NW, T2 and T5?


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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4385 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
How is the T3 renovation for VX going? Have they moved yet?

Haven't moved yet as the renovations are not progressing as rapidly as envisioned. I haven't heard a new timeline for completion, but will ask a LAWA contact.

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
How do they work that for departing customers? SYD pax know that they check-in at T4, but is that the case with the A380? Do they send pax to TBIT pre or post security?

Checkin for QF-SYD pax was changed to TBIT at the beginning of Oct. Checkin for the AKL and MEL (nonstop) pax was moved to T-4.

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Now that the merger is official with NW and DL, any more news on how the whole TwoCorp thing is shaking out with regard to NW, T2 and T5?

Haven't heard officially - the grapevine is saying a move to T-5 for the former NW. Perhaps a LAWA contact will have substantive info.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Yes VX wanted to be in T-3 by the end of October. From what I can gather the lobby remodel portion is taking longer then planned. In addition, non related new baggage screening facility construction will have gates 38 & 39 closed thru February also.

Nothing official with DL/NW. Before LAWA, LAX-Two Corp can react DL needs to approach the city and the various parties with its firms plans so they can be workd thru. Most are assuming they will consolidate in T-5 with a big question mark over partner carriers such as AF/KL due lack of adequate 777/744 gates at T-5 for the overlapping ops.

[Edited 2008-11-05 08:49:48]


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User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4357 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Now that the merger is official with NW and DL, any more news on how the whole TwoCorp thing is shaking out with regard to NW, T2 and T5?

According to the October LAX Connection. The combine airline will be operating out of T5. The following is from the October 2008LAX Connection.

Passengers holding boarding passes and electronic tickets will still have either “Delta” or “Northwest” printed on their documents for the near term. Eventually, flight operations will be operated from Terminal 5. For more information, click on http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11176


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Thanks. Good information.

And the QF switch, moving SYD to TBIT makes sense, but what of the LAX-MEL A380 flight? That can't go out of T4 either. Do they bus to a remote stand once a week for that?

VX having 38 and 39 closed won't be that big of a deal with VA postponing their startup. Better upgrade now rather than when VX expands more and needs all the gates and a better baggage system.



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4260 times:



Quoting Aaway (Reply 1):
Checkin for QF-SYD pax was changed to TBIT at the beginning of Oct. Checkin for the AKL and MEL (nonstop) pax was moved to T-4.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
And the QF switch, moving SYD to TBIT makes sense, but what of the LAX-MEL A380 flight? That can't go out of T4 either. Do they bus to a remote stand once a week for that?

Made an error here as I mean't AKL and BNE nonstops. MEL is at TBIT.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4260 times:



Quoting Aaway (Reply 5):
Made an error here as I mean't AKL and BNE nonstops. MEL is at TBIT.

Well, that makes sense then.  Smile

And it frees up a gate at T4 for AA, who's crowded with QF there. It must be annoying for all the pax connecting from AA to SYD/MEL though, having to go through security again in TBIT.



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

As a flollow up to a couple of questions posed by the OP:

(1) Early December is the anticipated move in timeframe for VX to T-3.

(2) The plan is for the former NW ops to relocate to T-5. Specific date is unknown, but will be by the end of '09.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
VX wanted to be in T-3 by the end of October. From what I can gather the lobby remodel portion is taking longer then planned. In addition, non related new baggage screening facility construction will have gates 38 & 39 closed thru February also.

39 may be closed for a longer period as LAWA plans (planned) to remove and replace the 37 jetbridge with the 39 jetbridge.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4012 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Most are assuming they will consolidate in T-5 with a big question mark over partner carriers such as AF/KL due lack of adequate 777/744 gates at T-5 for the overlapping ops.

AF/KL will have to stay at T2. No place to put them at T5



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User currently offlineASAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Somewhat related but I heard today that AS will be moving to T6 some time next year. Is this official?

New dark grey carpet has gone in on VX's side of T-3 and it looks a thousand times better than the "new" beige carpet they put in throughout the terminal last year (the smell of T-3 seems to have improved too). Two of VX's white podiums have been installed in the center of the east side of the terminal with room for two or three more but not much work has been done with those in several weeks. Each has a space for a large flat panel display screen.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
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Quoting ASAFA (Reply 9):
Somewhat related but I heard today that AS will be moving to T6 some time next year. Is this official?

I hope you're kidding? Where will they put AS in T6? I believe all the gates are accounted for at this time and when VX moves I don't see how AS can handle their operations with just two gates....?


User currently offlineQFFlyer From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3922 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
QF A380 at TBIT. How do they work that for departing customers? SYD pax know that they check-in at T4, but is that the case with the A380? Do they send pax to TBIT pre or post security?

I actually checked in at T4 for my A380 flight to SYD, mainly because I arrived to T4 on an AA flight, and just went to the AA lounge was checked in for the SYD flight there. In future I would still do the same based on the TBIT lounges becoming very full during the evening now with MEL and SYD flights leaving from there, so its much easier and more pleasant to wait in the lounge in T4 and get bused over to TBIT close to boarding time.

Cheers


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3835 times:



Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 11):
and more pleasant to wait in the lounge in T4 and get bused over to TBIT close to boarding time.

Well, that answers the rest of my question. They bus over to TBIT for connections rather than making you go outside security. Do they take you to the A380 gate or the central bus area of TBIT?



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User currently offlineQFFlyer From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3724 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Do they take you to the A380 gate or the central bus area of TBIT

They take you to the central bus area of TBIT. There is a check-in of sorts, where if you don't have a QF boarding pass, the will re-issue you with one, but those with QF boarding pass can go straight to the gate [or the lounge if you feel brave]

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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3707 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Well, that answers the rest of my question. They bus over to TBIT for connections rather than making you go outside security

QFFlyer really details the process - essentially a QF pax can do either or. QF will encourage the bussing option, considering the implications of having ALL QF pax having to check in @ TBIT.

The QF agents will meet AA arrivals, gather and escort eligible QF pax to the T-4 lounge.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3703 times:



Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 13):
but those with QF boarding pass can go straight to the gate [or the lounge if you feel brave]

Ah yes, the fallacy of the "convenience of a shared, central lounge"

Similar to the convenience of a shared rental car bus or shared hotel bus. Crowded, inefficient, frustrating, no chance for a personalized experience.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

DL's goal is to have a Skyteam operation in T5 and 6.

User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3636 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
Ah yes, the fallacy of the "convenience of a shared, central lounge"

Well, as with practically anything LAX, if we only had more space...

Actually, scheduling practices really impact lounge usage. Just a burst of activity within a short timeframe with the CX (2) and QF (up to 4, depending on day of week) departures during the evening. Will only get worse once MX officially becomes a oneworld member.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3631 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
DL's goal is to have a Skyteam operation in T5 and 6.

Good luck with that, DL. Star may have something to say about that plan.



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1983 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

There's some decent word that US will be moving to T2. This rumor comes up about twice a year for the last 15 years and is always followed with "but this time it's true". Well, there may be some truth to this one. US recently did around $1 million worth of renovations to the work rooms and hallways beneath the terminal. The word from WN management is that US will move if we repay the $1 million they spent. The second half of the rumor is that an agreement is very close. With NW moving to T5, there is plenty of room for US who only needs @ 4 gates. Again, this rumor pops up all the time. Who knows - but I wanted to throw it out there.


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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3524 times:



Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 19):
There's some decent word that US will be moving to T2.

That would be terrific for Australians and New Zealanders, who might now be able to fly through Phoenix or Charlotte to places like NYC which have previously had no Star Alliance services from within T2.


User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

How many gates does NW use in T2?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3464 times:



Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 19):
There's some decent word that US will be moving to T2.

US should move to T-6. CO, UA, US could then develop a single T-6 lounge.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3443 times:



Quoting ASAFA (Reply 9):
Somewhat related but I heard today that AS will be moving to T6 some time next year. Is this official?

From what I gather there are a few scenarios at play around the airport, however how they might pan out is unknown.

For AS specifically LAWA's goal as far as 3 years ago was to move AS to into T-5 including the East lobby when it commenced its eviction proceedings against Delta. Even AS CEO Ayers has been down to LA visiting city leaders asking for additional facilities. The current T-6 however would provide far less room then they currently have a T-3 especially with F9, FL, SY, NK just having moved to T-6 also.

Quoting Aaway (Reply 14):
considering the implications of having ALL QF pax having to check in @ TBIT.

Yes I've hear rumblings that when the TBIT lobby remodel is done, QF would push for all check-in's at TBIT regardless if your flight departs from T-4.

Even after a few years, I don't think QF has figured out or is comfortable with the split operation.

Quoting Aaway (Reply 17):
Will only get worse once MX officially becomes a oneworld member.

Yes, especially the half dozen MX midnight departures the lounge will indeed be busy in the evenings.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
DL's goal is to have a Skyteam operation in T5 and 6.

Might be a goal - however there are other larger players involved such as CO-UA whom are just beginning to work out details of their planned joint handling at LAX which includes a remodel/expansion of the Presidents Club in T-6, so I don't see CO vacating their 3-4 gates, while UA very much still needs the T-6 widebody and FIS gates also.

While UA might not be the most efficient user of gates at the airport - there are times such as noon, and especially late evenings when all current gates are needed.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 19):
There's some decent word that US will be moving to T2.
This rumor comes up about twice a year for the last 15 years and is always followed with "but this time it's true". Well, there may be some truth to this one.

See my reply to ASAFA. In US's case they indeed just finished spending money merging the HP/US facilities. Any airport moves really does come down to money as someone must foot the carriers bills as encouragement to get the snow ball rolling.

There is also the slight detail of the competitive landscape at LAX -- SWA would love to have more gates at the airport and US relinquishing room at T-1 gives SWA the green light to add competitive flights. SWA has been stuck for nearly 8 years now with ~110 or so daily departures, while US has had 2 opportunities that I know of with money on the table to move from T-1 (to T-6 and T-3) and passed on them. To me doing nothing sadly helps every airline I suppose from having to deal with any more SWA flying.

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 21):
How many gates does NW use in T2?

T-2 is all common use, so NW does not have official dedicated gates. However as I recall the gate plots never require more then 4 gates for NW, with long stretches of the day only 2. LAX is really not a big station for NW.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
Might be a goal - however there are other larger players involved such as CO-UA whom are just beginning to work out details of their planned joint handling at LAX which includes a remodel/expansion of the Presidents Club in T-6, so I don't see CO vacating their 3-4 gates, while UA very much still needs the T-6 widebody and FIS gates also.

DL currently has 2 gates on the western side of T6. So, when one says "Skyteam operation under T5 and T6", they mean all of T5 and those 2 gates in T6.


25 DeltaL1011man : read below. You have to pick WT. Asia hub or Sky team in T5/6 you cant have both. Doesn't matter. One AF has been in T5 and hated it (hints the move)
26 Ikramerica : Now, with F9 and FL and such out of T3, I could see US and those carriers swapping T1/T6 operations, with US/UA/CO building a new lounge in T6, but th
27 IFlyTWA : Does anyone have any pictures of the T3 progress? I can't wait to see what it looks like. Was the TWA propeller removed from the T3 ticketing area?
28 Aaway : LAWA will not have the ability to initiate airport wide carrier facility changes until the long term terminal leases expire or otherwise bought out s
29 Kaitak744 : The only aircraft larger than the 767-400 that will operate out of there is 1 daily 747-400. Terminal 5 has 2 gates to accommodate that.
30 LAXintl : You are right, however that did not stop LAWA properties from having talks with US-TZ-WN regarding a T-1T-3 swap to get ATA over next to SWA as late
31 EA CO AS : The plan as I understand is: AS vacates T3, moves to T6 US vacates T1, moves to T3 T1 becomes all WN DL/NW consolidate at T2
32 Ikramerica : And this information comes from where? Because it goes against a lot of other information.
33 AS739X : Multiple source have also told me that in fact AS is looking, if not already locked into the move from 3 to 6. ASSFO
34 Ikramerica : Are AS joining STAR and hasn't revealed it?
35 DeltaL1011man : *slaps forehead* Ok number AS to large to fit into the 3 gates DL would give up 2 DL/NW will not fit in T2 (this is why they will move to T5) AS will
36 AznCSA4QF744ER : This is what Qantas gets for jumping the gun back in 2002. Qantas invested about $10 million into the “Flagship” lounge. Just like any US carrier
37 Alitalia744 : Delta doesn't want all of T6 for now.... but they will get more of what they do want.
38 Aaway : I attended a LAWA related meeting this afternoon. A member of the local management of AS (AS739X, perhaps you're acquainted with K.D.???) confirmed t
39 DeltaL1011man : The thing about T2 is NW,HA,AC own the terminal. So no matter what they will stay(in less DL/NW buy them out) but we are starting to talk a good deal
40 LAXintl : They are out of T-3 already, All but YX moved to T-6, with YX at T-4 with AA in order to make room for VX. Only one left at T-3 today AS with 1/2 the
41 DeltaL1011man : I mean move them back into T3 and move AS in T6 waste of money though
42 United1 : Here would be my thoughts on what it might shake out to be... T1 WN T2 US HA T3 AS VX T4 AA T5 DL/NW T6 UA CO FL F9 NK YX SY (Maybe a DL gate or two)
43 QANTAS747-438 : It's absolutely nothing right now. It's dark and dank. The ticket counters are down and it looks like the wall behind the ticket counters are down as
44 Swalifebtw : T1 needs to be Southwest and codeshare partners Westjet and Volaris. They could us the Customs at T2 for arrivals then repo across the alley to gates
45 Swalifebtw : ....Better yet at T1 if WN get US out they could get rid of one of the 2 eastern baggage claims build a small customs area and use the remaining bagga
46 DeltaL1011man : what do they want?
47 Swalifebtw : I would also like to know if anyone knows whats the hold up with the remodeling of the Theme Building "The Spider". It's been well over a year since t
48 LAXintl : Actualy what you are seeing are two seperate projects. The initial scafolding went up to repair one of the arches had plaster fall off in 2007. Durin
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