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A350XWB Already 3 Months Late - Le Figaro  
User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 558 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Le Figaro is running a story that the A350XWB is already 3 months behind schedule. Le Figaro mentions that the presentation to airlines has been moved from December 2008 to March 2009.

In French:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2008...airbus-a-prend-deja-du-retard-.php

Airbus of course issued a denial saying the story is based on false information and the fact that the meeting has been pushed back three months "cannot be contributed to the program being behind schedule." The spokesperson also added, the "firm configuration will be ready by the end of the year as planned."

If so, why the three month wait? Considering the reliability of their statements recently (A380 and A400M), I for one am inclined to believe Ie Figaro.

- n1786b

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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5684 times:



Quoting N1786b (Thread starter):
the presentation to airlines has been moved from December 2008 to March 2009.

Based on this so called evidence? What a joke.



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User currently onlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

I would be surprised if Airbus don't take the oppurtunity to slow down the 350 program, considering the 787 is late, they are facing a lot of dererrals anyway, and the 380 is still sucking money.

Boeing have let them off the hook.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineDistantHorizon From Portugal, joined Oct 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

You shouldn't have concluded "Airbus of course issued a denial".
Airbus has, many times before, assumed other "beyond schedule" news.

And yes, there are many possible justifications for the "3 months wait". One is the possible decision to give airliners a later presentation so the numbers and details can be better checked and worked. After all, the firm configuration will only be ready by the end of the year! Maybe it is simply wiser.

Le Figaro is, however, a serious paper. But maybe they are assuming too much.

And YES, there might be some problems. BUT the A350 schedule is a VERY conservative one (unlike, off course, the 787's), so Airbus will have time to adjust and digest those problems in a way Boeing could not possible dream off.

We'll see.

Regards
DH


User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 319 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Until I hear something from Airbus, I won't believe this. Considering it seems some of the French press has it out for Airbus and the media in general can't get anything straight when it comes to this industry, I don't buy this story.

Can't wait to see this bird in the air - on time or late it will be an amazing aircraft (as will the 787).



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

The proof of whether the XWB will be late or not is NOT to be found in some commercial presentation to a group of interested airlines, but in the fact whether detailed design freeze will happen at the said date...

A commercial presentation might be rescheduled for many reasons, for instance the rapidly changing economic climate and the financial consequences it may bring along for the airlines...

Design freeze however needs to happen as planned, otherwise the parts can't be produced and the assembly can't start on time.


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

The only thing that matters is if EIS on time - mid 2013 IIRC. Even IF Airbus is a little behind schedule now (and we have to see concrete evidence yet), it doesn't mean Airbus cannot catch up before 2013. There should be more than enough slack in the programme.


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2607 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

This is a joke, isn't it? We are talking about a programe of some years. How can they assess now that it's delayed by 3 months. And if they can, why didn't they wrote "BREAKING NEWS: new aircraft programe O N L Y three months behind schedule!"

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/depec...ramme_a350_est_dans_les_temps.html


In this article (sorry only in French) , Airbus denies the A350XWB is delayed.
It is on track as planned.The definitive specifications will be frozen at year end as planned.
Only the presentation of the programm is delayed by 3 months.

Le Figaro made a confusion between the programm and the presentation.

In another way , Air France - KLM has delayed his RFP for A350XWBs or 787s until March , waiting for this A350XWB presentation , and waiting for the first flight of the 787 as well.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4562 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 8):
and waiting for the first flight of the 787 as well.

They might have to delay their decision a lot more than till March!



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4483 times:



Quoting DistantHorizon (Reply 3):
And YES, there might be some problems. BUT the A350 schedule is a VERY conservative one (unlike, off course, the 787's), so Airbus will have time to adjust and digest those problems in a way Boeing could not possible dream off.

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I continue in the view I have held since the first 787 problems appeared, namely that Boeing should have been less ambitious in condensing their development program, even though they might have lost some customers to the A330. I bet they would rather be in the position of having 600 orders that can be delivered on time than 800+ that cannot.

Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 6):
Even IF Airbus is a little behind schedule now (and we have to see concrete evidence yet), it doesn't mean Airbus cannot catch up before 2013. There should be more than enough slack in the programme.

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See above comment.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
The proof of whether the XWB will be late or not is NOT to be found in some commercial presentation to a group of interested airlines, but in the fact whether detailed design freeze will happen at the said date...

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Mind you freezing the design on time does not exactly guarantee that the rest of the program up to first delivery will run to schedule.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4471 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
Based on this so called evidence? What a joke.

Agreed.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
A commercial presentation might be rescheduled for many reasons, for instance the rapidly changing economic climate and the financial consequences it may bring along for the airlines...

Agreed

Maybe they just don't think it's in their best interest to present the aircraft during the potential low point of a global recession? Maybe they want to wait a quarter to let things shake out and give airlines enough time to know where they stand?



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Neither Airbus or Boeing have given any of us any reason to doubt any story which even speculates on a delay or schedule problem.

User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3950 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 12):
Neither Airbus or Boeing have given any of us any reason to doubt any story which even speculates on a delay or schedule problem.

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User currently onlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3531 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Maybe they just don't think it's in their best interest to present the aircraft during the potential low point of a global recession?

its a good reason, however I have heard some experts saying we are just at the start of a worsening multi year airline transport industry recession.

Who knows what will come out the end?

Ruscoe


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2959 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 14):
its a good reason, however I have heard some experts saying we are just at the start of a worsening multi year airline transport industry recession.


May be true, but by March, the airlines should hopefully know what they plan to do about it, thus they would be more prepared to learn about the A350 and how it fits into that new reality.

Right now through the end of the year, no company is in a position to do anything but play defense in a crisis environment. Another quarter will give the planners a chance to retrench and rethink.



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