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Nov 6: MIA-CDG AF 0095 Flight: Why Cancelled?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Does someone know why AF cancelled its flight from MIA to CDG yesterday?

Sacha


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Here is the answer: due a technical problem, the 744 (F-GITH) stayed at MIA and then flew empty to CDG as AF0390. The passengers stayed at hotels in MIA, and then flew on a BA 744.
Passengers complained, and some said that AF 744s were not safe anymore.

What do you think?
Why did the airplane fly empty to CDG? Was there a risk?



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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3162 times:
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Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Why did the airplane fly empty to CDG? Was there a risk?

Must have been something big for them to ferry a 744 half way across the world empty, whilst paying passengers are left. Especially if they couldn't fix it in MIA.

Presurisation problem?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Passengers complained, and some said that AF 744s were not safe anymore.
What do you think ?

Of course AF B744 are not safe anymore ! what do you think ? If some passengers said that, it must be true ! everybody knows that passengers are experts in aviation safety !  sarcastic 

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Why did the airplane fly empty to CDG?

Cracked window or pressurisation problems are some of the possibilities why an aircraft is sometimes flown empty from PAX back to its hombase.

Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 2):
Must have been something big for them to ferry a 744 half way across the world empty, whilst paying passengers are left. Especially if they couldn't fix it in MIA.

It was probably less expensive to fly it empty to AF maintenance at CDG than leaving it X days at MIA and pay there for repairs.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3136 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
Of course AF B744 are not safe anymore ! what do you think ? If some passengers said that, it must be true ! everybody knows that passengers are experts in aviation safety !

I found that ridiculous, of course. THey also complained about the lack of comfort and the noise of the 744.
Here is the link, in French:

http://voyageforum.com/voyage/b_747_400_air_france_D2118139/



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User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Does not Air France have two daily flights from Miami ? If no when was the second flight stopped and does someone know of it's schedule ??


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8370 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
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Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 5):
Does not Air France have two daily flights from Miami ? If no when was the second flight stopped and does someone know of it's schedule ??



Once daily 744 for several years now. AF used to fly A340's with a second flight in the winter.


User currently offlineTacoronte From United States of America, joined May 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2914 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
THey also complained about the lack of comfort and the noise of the 744.
Here is the link, in French:

Well, I stopped flying MIA-CDG on AF because of those 744, extremely uncomfortable and quite old, and when the flight is all full; no thanks! I now choose other alternatives.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2886 times:



Quoting Tacoronte (Reply 7):
Well, I stopped flying MIA-CDG on AF because of those 744, extremely uncomfortable and quite old, and when the flight is all full; no thanks!

Could someone explain to me what is more uncomfortable in an AF's B744 full Y Class than in any other airline B744 (or A330/A340/B777) full Y class ?

When it comes about "old" AF B744 :

AF B744 age : from 1992 to 2004

LH B744 age : from 1989 to 2002

BA B744 age : from 1989 to 1999

NW B744 age : rom 1989 to 2002


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2844 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):

I agree with you.
AF 744s are nothing terrible. What is disappointing is the lack of PTV in Y (except on 3 a/c)



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

If it was an engine problem, you can also ferry a 4-engine (or 3-engine) aircrat with one engine shut down. If a problem required an engine change away from home base, that could be cheaper than shipping a spare engine and having to arrange and pay for installation by another airline or maintenance company.

User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2692 times:
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Looks nice IMO but WTF no PTV and only 31 inches pitch. That is poor from a long-haul international airline. It's the expected standard these days.

Although the upper deck is also economy and has 34 inches pitch at PTV. Go figure.

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User currently offlineTacoronte From United States of America, joined May 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2533 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Could someone explain to me what is more uncomfortable in an AF's B744 full Y Class than in any other airline B744 (or A330/A340/B777) full Y class ?

When it comes about "old" AF B744 :

AF B744 age : from 1992 to 2004

LH B744 age : from 1989 to 2002

BA B744 age : from 1989 to 1999

NW B744 age : rom 1989 to 2002

You seem to defend AF too much, may be you work for them but I've flew on LH's 744 and was pretty normal compared to the 744's from AF, may be that's why AF use them mostly on leisure destinations. But again, I preffer airbuses, LX's A330 are pretty comfortable and I also like IB's A340, just no PTV's. I'm still waiting for the 77W to MIA!


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2529 times:



Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 5):
Does not Air France have two daily flights from Miami ? If no when was the second flight stopped and does someone know of it's schedule ??

AF still does have two flights to Miami, but one goes to Port Au Prince.

They started a year-round, second daily flight in April 2001. It survived the initial long-haul cuts after 9/11, but didn't last long after that.



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2395 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 11):
Looks nice IMO but WTF no PTV and only 31 inches pitch. That is poor from a long-haul international airline. It's the expected standard these days.

How can those passengers possibly see that TV monitor? Did they remove the projector/screen for weight reasons, or was it never installed? That's a bummer, especially given that the 747s are usually used on longer flights.



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User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2358 times:



Quoting Tacoronte (Reply 12):
I'm still waiting for the 77W to MIA!

With 3-4-3 seating ? In a cabin narrower than a 747 (or a 380 !) ?
 crowded   crowded   crowded 

Not thanks.  no 

By the way just flew F-GITH from CDG to SGN, leaving CDG on Nov 8th.

Excellent flight, with the adequate comfort of the eco on the upper deck that I would not exchange for any 777.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

When an aircraft is flown back empty, like this, to its home base, doe the cabin crew that was scheduled to work the flight also return with the empty plane or do they stay behind to work another flight?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2083 times:



Quoting Tacoronte (Reply 12):
You seem to defend AF too much, may be you work for them but I've flew on LH's 744 and was pretty normal compared to the 744's from AF,

I work for AF but I don't want to defend them "too much" ... I am just curious to know what you find in LH's B744 you don't find in AF's B744, considering that LH B744 don't have PTVs either and have exactely the same seat pitch tan AF in Y ...

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 16):
When an aircraft is flown back empty, like this, to its home base, doe the cabin crew that was scheduled to work the flight also return with the empty plane or do they stay behind to work another flight?

It depends on the problem.
About three weeks ago we had a technical problem on an A320 in NCE. The flight was cancelled for the passengers and all the CREW, including the F/A returned ORY with the plane empty.


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