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SeaPort/Kenmore Air Get Nod For AST/ONP Service  
User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3342 times:

http://newportnewstimes.com/articles/2008/10/29/news/news05.txt

Looks like a joint agreement between SeaPort Air and Kenmore Air Express has gotten the initial nod to serve Astoria and Newport Oregon from PDX and BFI. They won out over Cape Air's bid only because Cape Air said they couldn't start til 2010 because of all the new routes they opened up in NY.

For those that don't know, there was a $3.6 million grant put up by the state of Oregon for air service between PDX and Newport/Astoria. In the end, only Cape Air and Seaport/Kenmore bid.

SeaPort's service calls for PDX-AST and PDX-ONP while Kenmore calls for BFI-AST-ONP. They offered a joint bid because they believe service to Seattle will only benefit the communities as well.

Now the only thing left for the council to figure out is if they can award the money for this bid because of the fact that Kenmore will serve Seattle and not a city in Oregon. If they are given the go ahead then the deal will go through. If not, then they will have to reformulate the proposal and Kenmore probably will end up not being on it.

At this link you can open up SeaPort/Kenmore's and Cape Air's two proposals and compare them...

http://www.thecityofnewport.net/airport.htm

The only thing that slightly annoys me is the fact that SeaPort openly questioned the safety of piston airplanes and therefore made it sound like Cape Air is an unsafe airline.

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
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Good to see more communities getting air service to "hubs."

Since Kenmore Air doesn't really compete with QX at all, I'm curious why hasn't AS attempted a codeshare agreement with them? Has Kenmore Air attempted a move to SEA from BFI for better connections, not that the airports they serve necessarily have airport security screeners. Small airlines like Harbor Air and San Juan Airlines used to fly through SEA years ago.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3290 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Since Kenmore Air doesn't really compete with QX at all, I'm curious why hasn't AS attempted a codeshare agreement with them?

A codeshare is in the works right now on the BFI-CLM route. Don't know if it will include baggage transfer and screening as well, but probably not. Just an easier way to book and earn miles.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Has Kenmore Air attempted a move to SEA from BFI for better connections, not that the airports they serve necessarily have airport security screeners.

I don't know if they ever will. The costs at SEA are probably 10 times higher than they are at BFI.


User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1059 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

A week or so ago Kenmore was doing a lot of Seaports regular flying between PDX-BFI. When the Navajo landed at PDX they didn't have the slightest idea where they were supposed to drop off and pickup the SeaPort passengers on the flight craft ramp. Good to hear that PDX will be getting a little extra service. Does this mean that Seaport will be getting a few more PC12's to add to the fleet?

Dinker



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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3277 times:



Quoting Dinker225 (Reply 3):
Does this mean that Seaport will be getting a few more PC12's to add to the fleet?

I would imagine so since they will also be picking up the EAS route to PDT.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
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I wasn't aware that Kenmore Air had Piper Navajos. I thought their land fleet was exclusively Cessna 208 Caravans.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3207 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I wasn't aware that Kenmore Air had Piper Navajos. I thought their land fleet was exclusively Cessna 208 Caravans.

The irony there would be that SeaPort has Caravans as well, I believe, but has said that they wouldn't be an acceptable aircraft for the BFI-PDX route. Perhaps there was an asterisk after that statement?  Smile

-Dave



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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I wasn't aware that Kenmore Air had Piper Navajos. I thought their land fleet was exclusively Cessna 208 Caravans.

Yeah they picked up only one to help with their Tofino service on Vancouver Island. But that route is only seasonal so they are using it on other routes at the moment. I only caught that randomly from some meeting minutes from a Friday Harbor council meeting.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3106 times:
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Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 7):
Yeah they picked up only one to help with their Tofino service on Vancouver Island. But that route is only seasonal so they are using it on other routes at the moment. I only caught that randomly from some meeting minutes from a Friday Harbor council meeting.

Any chance that Kenmore Air would pick up additional twin-engine aircraft for summer flying or additional, farther cities like AST or ONP? Ya know, AvGas is coming down in price also.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3073 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
Any chance that Kenmore Air would pick up additional twin-engine aircraft for summer flying or additional, farther cities like AST or ONP? Ya know, AvGas is coming down in price also.

I don't know. I've been trying to spot this plane for a while but can't seem to catch up to it. I love Kenmore Air and had always hoped they would expand to more small cities in Washington.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3034 times:
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Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 9):
I don't know. I've been trying to spot this plane for a while but can't seem to catch up to it. I love Kenmore Air and had always hoped they would expand to more small cities in Washington.

I had the opportunity to fly Northwest Seaplanes back in 2003 from BFI to Friday Harbor. Sounds like another trip to the San Juans is coming next May. But I don't know if we're going to go with Kenmore Air or San Juan Airlines.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

http://newportnewstimes.com/articles/2008/11/12/news/news03.txt

Looks like the state of Oregon ruled that the air service grant cannot be awarded to Kenmore Air since they are proposing to serve Seattle and the grant only calls for service within Oregon.

They will announce the award to just SeaPort to serve PDX-AST and PDX-ONP soon.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
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Too bad...and it's loss to the two communities. I think SEA service would have been beneficial.

User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Newport is the worst place to fly into, fog all the time, no one flys in and out of there. Should not have EAS, when was the last time an airline lasted more then a year or two?

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2741 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Too bad...and it's loss to the two communities. I think SEA service would have been beneficial.

I totally agree. When I heard that they were looking at BFI to AST, I was going to pull the old credit card out and book my family vacation! I hate the long drive, and would have jumped on that opportunity in a heartbeat.

Is it official that Seaport is not going to be flying the BFI to SEA routes anymore? That sucks..... I was hoping it would work out for them.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2723 times:
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
I totally agree. When I heard that they were looking at BFI to AST, I was going to pull the old credit card out and book my family vacation! I hate the long drive, and would have jumped on that opportunity in a heartbeat.

I guess in reality, there's nothing holding Kenmore Air back from serving Astoria, OR. Does Kenmore Air get money for flying to Port Angeles, Friday Harbor, Tofino (seasonal), etc.?


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2702 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
I guess in reality, there's nothing holding Kenmore Air back from serving Astoria, OR. Does Kenmore Air get money for flying to Port Angeles, Friday Harbor, Tofino (seasonal), etc.?

Nope. None of Kenmore's routes are subsidized. They are very careful about only flying where they can make money. Their loads out of Port Angeles are pretty good year round. They average probably a 1000 pax per month each way.

In the article they said they will not look at serving Astoria right now without a subsidy. They quoted the bad economy as one of the main factors.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
I totally agree. When I heard that they were looking at BFI to AST, I was going to pull the old credit card out and book my family vacation! I hate the long drive, and would have jumped on that opportunity in a heartbeat.

I know, the Oregon coast is so beautiful. But for us folks around the Seattle area, it's hard to justify that long drive just for the weekend.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
Is it official that Seaport is not going to be flying the BFI to SEA routes anymore? That sucks..... I was hoping it would work out for them.

I haven't heard anything official yet so I will have to just assume it is still a rumor. I could be wrong. It would seem to make sense, with them now winning the PDT route and the AST/ONP service. They will have 3 routes subsidized and should make some money for the next 2 years just off of that. They haven't been doing so well on the BFI-PDX route so they might be smart to just cut their losses.

Except that would stink for Kenmore because both were advertising connections on one another. Such as a resident of the San Juans being able to get to PDX easily or vice versa.


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