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Airline To Announce New Service To GRR Monday  
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

WOOD TV-8 here in GRR is reporting there will be a news conference on Monday announcing new service to GRR by an airline not currently serving GRR. At this point WOOD-TV is not saying what airline, and that they are still working their sources.

Anyone with the inside scoop or hunches?

AirTran? (my hope)
Direct Air?
US Airways returns?
Allegiant?
Frontier?


Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11923 times:

I'd like to think direct air. There have to be a few cities ahead of GRR on FL's "to do" list.

User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11891 times:

JetBlue to JFK on an E190?

User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11850 times:

I'll take a stab in the dark and go with B6.

Though FL would be an interesting addition considering they do have a bit more focus on the midwest then some of the others. FL seems to do a bit better in these smaller markets or at least it seems that way. I wonder though if it would take away from their FNT and DTW service. Granted DTW is closer to FNT and there was little impact with that addition but I would argue that part of FNT's success to stand on their own is the draw of travelers from LAN, GRR, and even as far away as TVC. (My parents make the drive every now and then from to FNT for the cheaper flights.)

GRRTVC


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11805 times:

Whoever it is must not mind the prospect of having a gate without a jetbridge, as there are no unused jetbridge equipped gates at GRR.


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11673 times:

My guess would be B6 to JFK, FLL and MCO. FLL and MCO might now be daily though I could see them operating them daily during the winter season.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11667 times:

Hopefully FL to ATL and MCO

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 4):
Whoever it is must not mind the prospect of having a gate without a jetbridge, as there are no unused jetbridge equipped gates at GRR.

Will the DL/NW merger free up a gate?


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7529 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11668 times:

Highly doubt it is B6. They've got bigger fish to fry currently than GRR
Highly doubt US is returning either.

Most likely Allegiant, with an outside chance of FL.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11647 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
Will the DL/NW merger free up a gate?

Not from what I understand, at least not as of now. There may be some shuffling of airlines to get DL Connection over to the A concourse where NWA is, but I don't believe that this would cause a gate to open up. However, the county has hinted that they would like to replace jetbridges at all gates, which evidently includes the addition of a jetbridge to at least one of the non-jetbridge equipped gates. So we'll see.



Hey Swifty
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11532 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
Highly doubt it is B6. They've got bigger fish to fry currently than GRR

 checkmark And I can't see them having much success, either. What do they have that CMH or BNA didn't?



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11525 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
What do they have that CMH or BNA didn't?

A lack of WN perhaps?


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11495 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 10):
A lack of WN perhaps?

WN doesn't fly to NYC or BOS...



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11385 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 8):
However, the county has hinted that they would like to replace jetbridges at all gates, which evidently includes the addition of a jetbridge to at least one of the non-jetbridge equipped gates. So we'll see

Once the combined schedules are implemented, I could easily see all the DL ops at the A concourse without either CO or YX moving. DL would have A2, A5, and two spots at A6. My hunch is the new DL will serve DTW, MSP & ATL from GRR. MEM and CVG will go away.

B-4 and the ramp at B-5 would then be open.



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11287 times:

Now that oil is down I would guess Allegiant to LAS or AZA. Maybe even to SFB (although does NW still fly to MCO from GRR)?

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11254 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 13):
I would guess Allegiant to LAS or AZA.

I don't think so, I mean, you could just put the capacity back in LAN, as they already have an operation there, so you can save costs.

I would bet on B6. There is not anyone with service to JFK (Although Pinnacle does fly to LGA) and BOS.

They could do very well, especially if they can come in and lower fares. I love flying from GRR and if B6 flys in there, I will be on one of the first flights to check out service and see their new terminal at JFK.

I could forsee there service as something like this:

GRR-JFK

7:30 am - 9:40 am (Daily) - or earlier for business
1:00 pm - 3:15 pm (Daily)
6:20 pm - 8:30 pm (Daily)

JFK-GRR

10:15 am - 12:25 pm (Daily)
3:15 pm - 5:30 pm (Daily)
9:40 pm - 11:50 pm (Daily)


Possible P2P routes

MCO-GRR (5 x's weekly, x Tuesday, Wednesday)

9:15 am - 11:55 am

GRR-MCO (5 x's weekly, x Tuesday, Wednesday)

12:35 pm - 3:15 pm

TPA-GRR (5 x's weekly, x Tuesday, Wednesday)

8:40 am - 11:05 am

GRR-TPA (5 x's, x Tuesday, Wednesday)

11:50 am - 2:25 pm



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11234 times:



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 12):

Possibly. But from what I've heard from management, this might not necessarily be the case.
Remember A-6 and A-7 are really only good as one gate after the launch flights, because you can only have one airplane using the jetbridge at one time. The current jetbrigde at A-2 cannot be used with RJs, which further complicates things if you have multiple airplanes on the ground. Of course, nothing is certain until NWA takes over ramp for OH, and a more cooperative schedule is released.

[Edited 2008-11-08 06:50:46]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11191 times:

DirectAir?

Can someone fill me in on who they are?


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

Direct Air uses VX Airbus aircraft. Technically a scheduled charter.

http://www.visitdirectair.com/



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11113 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 4):

the airport will be installing new jetbridges at the airport...........so maybe they will be placing one at A1.........DL will be moving to A, and CO will be moving to B shortly.



okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11097 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 18):
the airport will be installing new jetbridges at the airport...........so maybe they will be placing one at A1

That's the idea. But with that gaudy monstrosity they are building up front, they are allegedly pushing back the plan for the new bridges. Apparently they are running low on cashmoney.



Hey Swifty
User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7529 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11028 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 14):
I would bet on B6. There is not anyone with service to JFK (Although Pinnacle does fly to LGA) and BOS.

They could do very well, especially if they can come in and lower fares. I love flying from GRR and if B6 flys in there, I will be on one of the first flights to check out service and see their new terminal at JFK.

I would be very surprised to see B6. GRR-JFK and p2p Florida routes seem like a major gamble.

Considering between CO & NW there are 150 seats per day into NYC (2x EWR, 1x LGA). With 3x E-190's, B6 would be adding over 250 seats into the NYC market, which is overkill. Even, CO with their ample connections in EWR only runs 2 50 seaters a day. They would be very hard pressed to fill that many seats on a daily basis out of GRR.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10854 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 20):
I would be very surprised to see B6. GRR-JFK and p2p Florida routes seem like a major gamble.

Considering between CO & NW there are 150 seats per day into NYC (2x EWR, 1x LGA). With 3x E-190's, B6 would be adding over 250 seats into the NYC market, which is overkill. Even, CO with their ample connections in EWR only runs 2 50 seaters a day. They would be very hard pressed to fill that many seats on a daily basis out of GRR.

Not being argumentative, as I have no real knowledge on it, but wouldn't it be possible that JetBlue could stimulate the travel demand more from GRR? If CO and NW are operating 50-seaters in there, the costs (and thus the fares) must be relatively high. If B6 comes in with a lower CASM and thus lower fare level, they might be able to provide enough O&D and connection traffic to compensate for the increased seats in the market.

I'd be curious how that would go, though, given that Grand Rapids is apparently one of NW's "heartland markets". Would they (actually Delta) fight tooth and nail, or would they just let the LGA flight drop?

I've always thought that GRR would be a great LCC destination, but perhaps there is a reason (cough*NW*cough) that it hasn't really been so to any degree.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10338 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 21):
If CO and NW are operating 50-seaters in there, the costs (and thus the fares) must be relatively high. If B6 comes in with a lower CASM and thus lower fare level, they might be able to provide enough O&D and connection traffic to compensate for the increased seats in the market.

You could have made the exact same argument about CMH, though, and B6 failed there.



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User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10276 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 19):
But with that gaudy monstrosity they are building up front, they are allegedly pushing back the plan for the new bridges. Apparently they are running low on cashmoney.

Rollercoasters can get quite expensive.  Big grin



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10211 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
WN doesn't fly to NYC or BOS...

You asked what GRR has that CMH and BNA didn't have. GRR doesn't have any LCC competiton, which CMH and BNA has in planeloads.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
You could have made the exact same argument about CMH, though, and B6 failed there.

Yes, B6 came in as you state. But WN decided to compete, and Skybus decided to undercut B6 and steal their thunder. CMH became a market that expected to be able to fly for much less than costs. B6 made a smart move by pulling their assets out.


25 KcrwFlyer : WN competed to where? ISP? Does that honestly even count as a NYC alternate... And didnt B6 decide to leave before Skybus got going?
26 JA : ISP has railroad service a few minutes away by shuttle directly to Manhattan. So, I would say yes.
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : Business travelers on corporate expense accounts going into the city are NOT going to fly into ISP. Due to competition on some routes, there can be s
28 KingAir200 : Hahaha yes. I take it you've seen the Taj Garage?
29 Luv2fly : That is true though NW is now part of DL! Does UA even fly mainline into GRR anymore? IMHO this would be an ideal time for B6 to come in, NW/DL is bu
30 Cubsrule : CMH had no meaningful LCC competition to the northeast, and BNA didn't have any to New York or Boston. B6 didn't fly to Florida from either CMH or BN
31 KcrwFlyer : Which is exactly why I wouldnt consider WN to ISP real competetion to the new york area. Given the current level of service GRR has to New York, I ju
32 JA : Business travelers on corporate expense accounts aren't flying as much as they used to. ISP has access to super express trains that have seats leavin
33 Alias1024 : It that what the people of GRR are calling the garage? It sure looks like it will be a nice setup once it is all done. I think pretty much every time
34 KingAir200 : Some are, yeah. Personally I think they could have gone with something a little less elaborate and saved some money, but that's just my opinion. Yes.
35 Post contains links Tjwgrr : The Grand Rapids Press has picked up the story too: http://www.mlive.com/grpress/busines...ew_airline_coming_to_ford_air.html
36 JBLUA320 : I'll also take a shot and say it's B6. GRR has been on B6's radar for a long time - they've said as much, though it's been some time since GRR last ca
37 Cubsrule : ...and why ISP has grown so explosively?
38 Lexy : BNA's number one most travelled to domestic market is the NYC market. B6 could've made it work had they had the cajones to do it. They didn't and now
39 Flyinryan99 : I am going to side with you on this one. I know for a fact Rapid Air was trying to get a ground contract for Allegiant last year at about this time (
40 Brandonfs88 : looks like Allegiant, i tried to book a flight and it now shows GRR has a departure city.
41 CALMSP : worthless addition of service if you ask me............no need for a big party to announce a what, 2-3 day a aweek service to a florida city.........t
42 RL757PVD : These days, for an airport to remain status quo is a win for the local economy. Im sure GRR will take whatever they can get right now.
43 Flyboy7974 : don't see GRR anywhere yet on the Allegiant site and it's 9am here in AZ, waiting though. As far as worthless, what? Any airline addition and not anno
44 Flyboy7974 : and now I stand corrected, as I jumped back over to Allegiant website, screen blinked as though it was reloading, and it sat and sat and then went una
45 Post contains links Flyboy7974 : http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20081110a.php actually it's a move, operations moving from Lansing over to Grand Rapids now
46 Tjwgrr : Happy for anything here in GRR, but I was really hoping for FL. What a blow for Lansing.....
47 FATFlyer : Here is what Allegiant says about leaving Lansing. " target=_blank>http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...00348 Weakened market demand means use it or
48 Flyinryan99 : I was actually pleasantly surprised when their new schedule came out for the spring time - it showed increased flights from TOL to both PIE and SFB.
49 KcrwFlyer : I agree. You cant blame a carrier for switching to a stronger market with more potential. I dont personallythink they'll fly to LAS or AZA given the
50 Tjwgrr : Allegiant timing was good since NW has quietly reduced GRR-MCO down to a single E175 once per week on Saturdays starting after the holidays in January
51 KingAir200 : It's really too bad to see the reductions in NWA's GRR-Florida service. I remember back when they had daily D9S service to both MCO and TPA. One year
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : GRR makes more sense for G4 and arguably has more potential than LAN. One of the difficulties with LAN for G4 is the proximity of FNT and the price co
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