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B6 Domestic Network Route Performance Q2  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Below is B6's domestic network roster, inclusive of regional routes, and various performance metrics from Q2 2008. The data is from PAXstats, which sources the T-100 and DB1B databases from the DOT's Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

All financials have been normalized to a 750 mile stage, to allow for better comparisons across routes and carriers. RASM stands for Revenue per Available Seat Mile. Contribution yield is the effective remaining yield upon arriving at the hub. (Read: quality of feeding traffic)
Revenue per departure is listed on a segment and system basis. System revenue is all revenue associated with the listed leg, in one direction. Segment is prorated system revenue.


Rnk ….. Route ….. Sys Rev ….. Seg Rev ….. RASM ….... Yield …..... Contrib …...... LF
1 ….. BOS-IAD ….. $13,301 ….. $12,395 ….. $0.19306 ….. $0.22313 ….. $0.03217 ….. 81.8%
2 ….. BOS-JFK ….. $15,278 ….. $8,371 ….. $0.17434 ….. $0.19049 ….. $0.09635 ….. 74.9%
3 ….. JFK-ORD ….. $14,031 ….. $12,629 ….. $0.16794 ….. $0.20600 ….. $0.05562 ….. 84.1%
4 ….. BUF-JFK ….. $13,928 ….. $11,455 ….. $0.16653 ….. $0.19621 ….. $0.05389 ….. 78.7%
5 ….. BOS-CLT ….. $12,708 ….. $12,291 ….. $0.16645 ….. $0.21591 ….. $0.02664 ….. 76.8%
6 ….. AUS-JFK ….. $18,072 ….. $17,529 ….. $0.16375 ….. $0.20208 ….. $0.04305 ….. 82.7%
7 ….. JFK-MSY ….. $21,136 ….. $20,608 ….. $0.16327 ….. $0.20425 ….. $0.03781 ….. 81.2%
8 ….. JFK-RDU ….. $10,800 ….. $9,236 ….. $0.16289 ….. $0.22212 ….. $0.05963 ….. 72.2%
9 ….. BOS-RSW ….. $21,680 ….. $21,601 ….. $0.16260 ….. $0.19883 ….. $0.01284 ….. 81.9%
10 ….. BOS-MVY ….. $1,466 ….. $331 ….. $0.16054 ….. $0.29911 ….. $0.23923 ….. 59.7%
11 ….. BOS-RDU ….. $10,954 ….. $10,730 ….. $0.15794 ….. $0.22026 ….. $0.01968 ….. 71.3%
12 ….. BOS-RIC ….. $9,812 ….. $9,428 ….. $0.15790 ….. $0.22049 ….. $0.02359 ….. 69.4%
13 ….. MCO-SYR ….. $21,102 ….. $20,989 ….. $0.15746 ….. $0.17554 ….. $0.01285 ….. 89.9%
14 ….. JFK-SYR ….. $16,354 ….. $8,306 ….. $0.15734 ….. $0.18565 ….. $0.10307 ….. 77.3%
15 ….. JFK-ROC ….. $14,758 ….. $10,115 ….. $0.15513 ….. $0.18915 ….. $0.07520 ….. 73.2%
16 ….. ACK-JFK ….. $7,353 ….. $6,072 ….. $0.15493 ….. $0.32069 ….. $0.08831 ….. 45.3%
17 ….. LAS-LGB ….. $10,965 ….. $9,477 ….. $0.15179 ….. $0.17696 ….. $0.03807 ….. 77.0%
18 ….. JFK-PIT ….. $8,627 ….. $7,564 ….. $0.14921 ….. $0.20388 ….. $0.04399 ….. 68.5%
19 ….. BOS-PIT ….. $9,359 ….. $9,103 ….. $0.14879 ….. $0.22054 ….. $0.02177 ….. 66.6%
20 ….. BOS-PBI ….. $17,606 ….. $17,480 ….. $0.14847 ….. $0.18496 ….. $0.01466 ….. 80.5%
21 ….. EWR-MCO ….. $18,719 ….. $18,481 ….. $0.14689 ….. $0.17830 ….. $0.01591 ….. 82.6%
22 ….. BUF-RSW ….. $13,687 ….. $13,593 ….. $0.14674 ….. $0.17751 ….. $0.01548 ….. 83.0%
23 ….. JFK-SJU ….. $24,956 ….. $23,898 ….. $0.14558 ….. $0.17432 ….. $0.03429 ….. 85.2%
24 ….. HOU-JFK ….. $17,012 ….. $16,456 ….. $0.14521 ….. $0.19070 ….. $0.04956 ….. 78.1%
25 ….. BOS-MCO ….. $18,193 ….. $17,927 ….. $0.14513 ….. $0.18060 ….. $0.01816 ….. 80.7%
26 ….. JFK-RIC ….. $9,846 ….. $6,758 ….. $0.14374 ….. $0.19628 ….. $0.07925 ….. 67.2%
27 ….. FLL-LGA ….. $19,358 ….. $19,350 ….. $0.14360 ….. $0.16988 ….. $0.00281 ….. 84.5%
28 ….. IAD-JFK ….. $11,260 ….. $6,528 ….. $0.14305 ….. $0.17686 ….. $0.08638 ….. 71.1%
29 ….. BQN-JFK ….. $24,159 ….. $23,302 ….. $0.14288 ….. $0.17336 ….. $0.03311 ….. 84.0%
30 ….. JFK-LAS ….. $28,593 ….. $27,771 ….. $0.14258 ….. $0.17017 ….. $0.04030 ….. 85.6%
31 ….. EWR-PBI ….. $18,661 ….. $18,661 ….. $0.14196 ….. $0.17514 ….. $- ….. 81.1%
32 ….. AUS-BOS ….. $21,543 ….. $21,378 ….. $0.14188 ….. $0.18245 ….. $0.02130 ….. 78.2%
33 ….. CLT-JFK ….. $12,052 ….. $10,455 ….. $0.14148 ….. $0.20679 ….. $0.05721 ….. 69.2%
34 ….. LGA-PBI ….. $18,600 ….. $18,600 ….. $0.14074 ….. $0.17520 ….. $- ….. 80.3%
35 ….. BUF-MCO ….. $14,476 ….. $14,264 ….. $0.14063 ….. $0.15987 ….. $0.02168 ….. 88.8%
36 ….. BOS-TPA ….. $17,437 ….. $17,339 ….. $0.13974 ….. $0.18090 ….. $0.01234 ….. 77.4%
37 ….. BOS-BUF ….. $8,509 ….. $7,598 ….. $0.13943 ….. $0.18445 ….. $0.03997 ….. 73.6%
38 ….. BOS-SJU ….. $23,776 ….. $23,426 ….. $0.13938 ….. $0.18478 ….. $0.01451 ….. 75.2%
39 ….. JAX-JFK ….. $16,192 ….. $15,244 ….. $0.13923 ….. $0.18813 ….. $0.04661 ….. 76.4%
40 ….. BOS-FLL ….. $18,679 ….. $18,504 ….. $0.13914 ….. $0.17602 ….. $0.01471 ….. 79.3%
41 ….. BUR-JFK ….. $29,173 ….. $28,319 ….. $0.13885 ….. $0.16729 ….. $0.04286 ….. 84.9%
42 ….. JFK-SRQ ….. $20,071 ….. $18,379 ….. $0.13866 ….. $0.17444 ….. $0.05822 ….. 84.0%
43 ….. EWR-FLL ….. $18,514 ….. $18,500 ….. $0.13800 ….. $0.17312 ….. $0.00362 ….. 79.7%
44 ….. FLL-JFK ….. $19,198 ….. $18,314 ….. $0.13795 ….. $0.16706 ….. $0.03467 ….. 84.4%
45 ….. BUR-LAS ….. $10,144 ….. $8,437 ….. $0.13754 ….. $0.16861 ….. $0.03923 ….. 67.8%
46 ….. JFK-SAN ….. $28,877 ….. $27,940 ….. $0.13752 ….. $0.17307 ….. $0.04269 ….. 81.4%
47 ….. JFK-MCO ….. $17,839 ….. $16,793 ….. $0.13751 ….. $0.16523 ….. $0.03828 ….. 85.5%
48 ….. HPN-PBI ….. $18,327 ….. $18,327 ….. $0.13723 ….. $0.17530 ….. $- ….. 78.3%
49 ….. MCO-PWM ….. $13,149 ….. $13,099 ….. $0.13687 ….. $0.16854 ….. $0.01027 ….. 81.4%
50 ….. BOS-MSY ….. $13,823 ….. $13,711 ….. $0.13541 ….. $0.18445 ….. $0.02056 ….. 73.8%
51 ….. FLL-HPN ….. $15,390 ….. $15,388 ….. $0.13536 ….. $0.16214 ….. $0.00152 ….. 83.5%
52 ….. CLT-FLL ….. $9,591 ….. $9,261 ….. $0.13451 ….. $0.19570 ….. $0.02933 ….. 69.3%
53 ….. JFK-PHX ….. $26,325 ….. $25,591 ….. $0.13426 ….. $0.15783 ….. $0.04003 ….. 87.0%
54 ….. JFK-PSE ….. $22,941 ….. $22,171 ….. $0.13422 ….. $0.16192 ….. $0.03402 ….. 84.7%
55 ….. JFK-TPA ….. $18,357 ….. $17,167 ….. $0.13405 ….. $0.16292 ….. $0.04584 ….. 85.6%
56 ….. BOS-SFO ….. $28,926 ….. $28,489 ….. $0.13337 ….. $0.16490 ….. $0.02843 ….. 81.8%
57 ….. JFK-PBI ….. $17,815 ….. $16,982 ….. $0.13334 ….. $0.17284 ….. $0.04099 ….. 79.3%
58 ….. BOS-LGB ….. $28,368 ….. $27,800 ….. $0.13267 ….. $0.17262 ….. $0.03243 ….. 78.0%
59 ….. EWR-TPA ….. $17,148 ….. $17,146 ….. $0.13212 ….. $0.16208 ….. $0.00341 ….. 81.5%
60 ….. EWR-RSW ….. $17,626 ….. $17,618 ….. $0.13123 ….. $0.16697 ….. $0.00257 ….. 78.6%
61 ….. JFK-SEA ….. $27,810 ….. $26,406 ….. $0.13064 ….. $0.15711 ….. $0.04997 ….. 86.5%
62 ….. IAD-LGB ….. $26,072 ….. $25,435 ….. $0.12975 ….. $0.15341 ….. $0.03203 ….. 86.1%
63 ….. AUS-MCO ….. $12,868 ….. $11,178 ….. $0.12952 ….. $0.15942 ….. $0.04857 ….. 84.4%
64 ….. MCO-SJU ….. $18,839 ….. $18,342 ….. $0.12949 ….. $0.15360 ….. $0.02357 ….. 85.3%
65 ….. JFK-PWM ….. $13,824 ….. $6,861 ….. $0.12911 ….. $0.18325 ….. $0.10681 ….. 71.4%
66 ….. BOS-ORD ….. $10,588 ….. $10,408 ….. $0.12907 ….. $0.16961 ….. $0.01735 ….. 76.3%
67 ….. LGA-MCO ….. $16,294 ….. $16,267 ….. $0.12848 ….. $0.15549 ….. $0.00565 ….. 82.7%
68 ….. MCO-SWF ….. $12,934 ….. $12,866 ….. $0.12810 ….. $0.15628 ….. $0.00992 ….. 82.1%
69 ….. BTV-JFK ….. $16,745 ….. $8,343 ….. $0.12764 ….. $0.17480 ….. $0.10120 ….. 73.1%
70 ….. BTV-MCO ….. $12,127 ….. $12,015 ….. $0.12691 ….. $0.16753 ….. $0.01553 ….. 76.1%
71 ….. HPN-RSW ….. $11,512 ….. $11,512 ….. $0.12662 ….. $0.15689 ….. $- ….. 80.7%
72 ….. JFK-ONT ….. $26,880 ….. $25,632 ….. $0.12658 ….. $0.15838 ….. $0.04957 ….. 82.9%
73 ….. BUF-FLL ….. $11,889 ….. $11,836 ….. $0.12656 ….. $0.15828 ….. $0.01575 ….. 80.2%
74 ….. BOS-SJC ….. $27,181 ….. $26,939 ….. $0.12646 ….. $0.16274 ….. $0.01895 ….. 78.2%
75 ….. JFK-RSW ….. $18,061 ….. $16,560 ….. $0.12578 ….. $0.17017 ….. $0.05707 ….. 78.1%
76 ….. JFK-LGB ….. $26,716 ….. $25,565 ….. $0.12535 ….. $0.15615 ….. $0.04418 ….. 82.9%
77 ….. BOS-JAX ….. $11,016 ….. $10,933 ….. $0.12486 ….. $0.17433 ….. $0.01279 ….. 71.8%
78 ….. BOS-SAN ….. $26,290 ….. $26,060 ….. $0.12470 ….. $0.15717 ….. $0.02040 ….. 79.9%
79 ….. BOS-DEN ….. $21,690 ….. $21,408 ….. $0.12443 ….. $0.16386 ….. $0.02667 ….. 76.7%
80 ….. HPN-MCO ….. $15,901 ….. $15,881 ….. $0.12400 ….. $0.15097 ….. $0.00458 ….. 82.2%
81 ….. LGB-OAK ….. $10,556 ….. $9,539 ….. $0.12359 ….. $0.14844 ….. $0.02739 ….. 78.6%
82 ….. JFK-SMF ….. $26,796 ….. $25,381 ….. $0.12306 ….. $0.16191 ….. $0.05310 ….. 79.2%
83 ….. BOS-SEA ….. $25,670 ….. $25,223 ….. $0.12290 ….. $0.15783 ….. $0.02705 ….. 78.8%
84 ….. LGB-SMF ….. $11,122 ….. $9,800 ….. $0.12127 ….. $0.15267 ….. $0.03355 ….. 75.8%
85 ….. FLL-SYR ….. $11,524 ….. $11,485 ….. $0.12121 ….. $0.16442 ….. $0.00948 ….. 73.8%
86 ….. BOS-OAK ….. $26,167 ….. $25,802 ….. $0.12104 ….. $0.16062 ….. $0.02536 ….. 76.1%
87 ….. BOS-LAS ….. $24,593 ….. $24,189 ….. $0.12067 ….. $0.14610 ….. $0.02881 ….. 83.7%
88 ….. JFK-PDX ….. $25,567 ….. $24,534 ….. $0.12056 ….. $0.15147 ….. $0.04685 ….. 82.2%
89 ….. AUS-SFO ….. $14,222 ….. $12,809 ….. $0.11962 ….. $0.15807 ….. $0.04748 ….. 79.3%
90 ….. IAD-OAK ….. $24,499 ….. $24,084 ….. $0.11947 ….. $0.15434 ….. $0.02657 ….. 78.4%
91 ….. FLL-IAD ….. $15,145 ….. $14,677 ….. $0.11903 ….. $0.15835 ….. $0.02248 ….. 75.7%
92 ….. JFK-SFO ….. $25,778 ….. $24,864 ….. $0.11902 ….. $0.15193 ….. $0.04107 ….. 80.5%
93 ….. IAD-MCO ….. $11,722 ….. $11,212 ….. $0.11896 ….. $0.14289 ….. $0.02725 ….. 84.7%
94 ….. FLL-RIC ….. $9,597 ….. $9,231 ….. $0.11848 ….. $0.17982 ….. $0.03723 ….. 67.3%
95 ….. JFK-OAK ….. $25,799 ….. $24,566 ….. $0.11783 ….. $0.15451 ….. $0.04757 ….. 79.1%
96 ….. JFK-SJC ….. $25,442 ….. $24,491 ….. $0.11762 ….. $0.15138 ….. $0.04302 ….. 80.0%
97 ….. SAN-SEA ….. $16,002 ….. $15,576 ….. $0.11702 ….. $0.15889 ….. $0.01866 ….. 73.7%
98 ….. LGB-ORD ….. $18,306 ….. $17,953 ….. $0.11688 ….. $0.15322 ….. $0.02713 ….. 77.3%
99 ….. FLL-LGB ….. $23,600 ….. $23,153 ….. $0.11684 ….. $0.13536 ….. $0.02258 ….. 87.4%
100 ….. FLL-SWF ….. $15,914 ….. $15,914 ….. $0.11581 ….. $0.15044 ….. $- ….. 77.0%
101 ….. DEN-JFK ….. $20,390 ….. $19,086 ….. $0.11522 ….. $0.15677 ….. $0.05775 ….. 77.3%
102 ….. MCO-PSE ….. $16,742 ….. $16,148 ….. $0.11444 ….. $0.12674 ….. $0.02362 ….. 91.9%
103 ….. BQN-MCO ….. $16,021 ….. $15,451 ….. $0.11194 ….. $0.12961 ….. $0.02445 ….. 87.9%
104 ….. LGB-SLC ….. $11,520 ….. $11,035 ….. $0.11069 ….. $0.14293 ….. $0.01932 ….. 76.8%
105 ….. AUS-FLL ….. $10,254 ….. $10,151 ….. $0.11060 ….. $0.14027 ….. $0.01295 ….. 79.2%
106 ….. FLL-RDU ….. $8,284 ….. $7,901 ….. $0.11033 ….. $0.16789 ….. $0.03480 ….. 67.2%
107 ….. AUS-LGB ….. $10,617 ….. $10,286 ….. $0.10727 ….. $0.13732 ….. $0.02144 ….. 79.0%
108 ….. IAD-SAN ….. $21,661 ….. $20,894 ….. $0.10716 ….. $0.14801 ….. $0.03781 ….. 74.3%
109 ….. PBI-SWF ….. $13,938 ….. $13,938 ….. $0.10339 ….. $0.13686 ….. $- ….. 75.5%
110 ….. IAD-LAS ….. $19,855 ….. $19,178 ….. $0.10271 ….. $0.13714 ….. $0.03585 ….. 76.9%
111 ….. JFK-SLC ….. $21,179 ….. $18,413 ….. $0.10051 ….. $0.15332 ….. $0.07164 ….. 72.4%
112 ….. LGB-SEA ….. $11,573 ….. $10,690 ….. $0.09991 ….. $0.14188 ….. $0.03248 ….. 71.9%
113 ….. BUR-IAD ….. $19,903 ….. $18,791 ….. $0.09582 ….. $0.14029 ….. $0.04873 ….. 71.4%
114 ….. LAS-SLC ….. $8,847 ….. $7,496 ….. $0.09512 ….. $0.14897 ….. $0.03950 ….. 61.6%
115 ….. LGB-SJC ….. $7,032 ….. $6,146 ….. $0.09280 ….. $0.14239 ….. $0.03285 ….. 62.5%
116 ….. SAN-SLC ….. $9,543 ….. $9,120 ….. $0.08873 ….. $0.15738 ….. $0.02044 ….. 55.4%
117 ….. JFK-TUS ….. $16,506 ….. $16,011 ….. $0.08433 ….. $0.15193 ….. $0.03813 ….. 56.8%
118 ….. BUR-SLC ….. $6,742 ….. $6,389 ….. $0.06492 ….. $0.14136 ….. $0.02169 ….. 45.6%
119 ….. SFO-SLC ….. $6,752 ….. $6,449 ….. $0.06415 ….. $0.13569 ….. $0.01934 ….. 47.0%

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

As always, thanks. I LOVE this information!!!


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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Very interesting numbers, thanks for posting. Interesting to compare them to the quarter before.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
4 ….. BUF-JFK ….. $13,928 ….. $11,455 ….. $0.16653 ….. $0.19621 ….. $0.05389 ….. 78.7%

Wow! .16 RASM and a healthy load factor on a route that JetBlue throws quite a bit of capacity on.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
6 ….. AUS-JFK ….. $18,072 ….. $17,529 ….. $0.16375 ….. $0.20208 ….. $0.04305 ….. 82.7%
7 ….. JFK-MSY ….. $21,136 ….. $20,608 ….. $0.16327 ….. $0.20425 ….. $0.03781 ….. 81.2%

Very nice numbers. RASM is certainly much higher than CASM.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
13 ….. MCO-SYR ….. $21,102 ….. $20,989 ….. $0.15746 ….. $0.17554 ….. $0.01285 ….. 89.9%



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
23 ….. JFK-SJU ….. $24,956 ….. $23,898 ….. $0.14558 ….. $0.17432 ….. $0.03429 ….. 85.2%

Also very nice numbers. MCO-SYR has always been a very nice performer; the JFK-SJU flights will only get better with AA's reduction in service.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
41 ….. BUR-JFK ….. $29,173 ….. $28,319 ….. $0.13885 ….. $0.16729 ….. $0.04286 ….. 84.9%



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
46 ….. JFK-SAN ….. $28,877 ….. $27,940 ….. $0.13752 ….. $0.17307 ….. $0.04269 ….. 81.4%

Also very good RASM numbers and healthy loads. Interesting that BUR-JFK is so far up on the list, especially much higher than LGB-JFK. Also interesting that no other airlines fly the route.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
85 ….. FLL-SYR ….. $11,524 ….. $11,485 ….. $0.12121 ….. $0.16442 ….. $0.00948 ….. 73.8%

Explains why it's being dropped.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
102 ….. MCO-PSE ….. $16,742 ….. $16,148 ….. $0.11444 ….. $0.12674 ….. $0.02362 ….. 91.9%

Gotta add another flight. It has been going gangbusters since the launch.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
113 ….. BUR-IAD ….. $19,903 ….. $18,791 ….. $0.09582 ….. $0.14029 ….. $0.04873 ….. 71.4%

Explains why it was dropped untilt next summer. In my opinion, this route was a mistake from the beginning. Put the flight back to LGB.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
116 ….. SAN-SLC ….. $9,543 ….. $9,120 ….. $0.08873 ….. $0.15738 ….. $0.02044 ….. 55.4%

This route absolutely has to go, or at least be changed to a E190. JetBlue's build-up at SLC has not been going as planned. BUR and SFO were dropped, and LAS is a low-yielding route. One frequency to each destination is just not going to cut it when you're competing with DL and WN.

Overall, interesting numbers. I would love to see how STI/SDQ/POP/AUA/CUN are performing.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineJetbluejackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Still don't get the emphasis on SLC. 5 of the bottom 9 worst performers are to SLC.

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5267 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Nice to see that such traditional strong business routes such as NYC-ORD, NYC-BOS and Washington to BOS have turned out to be good routes for B6. Until I was in Boston (on B6) last weekend, I hadn't realized how significant an operation B6 has there. Loads, particularly of business people, seemed strong at the BOS gates (in my infantesimal sample on a Thursday and a Monday). Given that we had obtained fares that were lower than the Acela for our advance-planned leisure trip from NYC, it is nice to see that the revenue mix must necessarily include some higher business fares. Given, however, the fares that UA and AA are pulling down on their LGA-ORD routes and the Shuttle gets on the LGA-BOS route, it's plain that there's some wiggle room for B6.

I would think that BOS-ORD could turn into a decent route for them as well, although it's hard to match the AA/UA frequency given what I assume are a lot of connectors through ORD on those carriers thus justifying a higher frequency on those carriers. As an example, though, while we were organizing our bags for the security line, I was sitting next to the United departures board at BOS and overhearing a number of loud conversation involving a guy trying to change his United reservation from BOS home to ORD. His flight had been delayed from 7pm-ish to 9pm and he didn't want to wait the 2 hours. He had tried to get another UA flight (fail) and had checked with AA. To change his ticket would have cost $500 one-way. B6's sole nonstop on that route goes for about $240 on short notice one-way. So there's room for some business traffic if there's a little more frequency. (I'm sure that B6's scheduling management folks are all over this, and there may be a reason that they don't want to go with more frequency.)

Now if they'd only serve Dallas, dang it.


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4041 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 2):
JetBlue's build-up at SLC has not been going as planned. BUR and SFO were dropped, and LAS is a low-yielding route. One frequency to each destination is just not going to cut it when you're competing with DL and WN.

The ONLY reason B6 builds at SLC is because of the THOUSANDS of crewmembers that are home-based there for the Reservations Center. The station is a money-LOSER. Many times there are only a handful of customers and 60+ standbys.

Quoting Jetbluejackets (Reply 3):
Still don't get the emphasis on SLC. 5 of the bottom 9 worst performers are to SLC.

See above.


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4020 times:



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 4):
Now if they'd only serve Dallas, dang it.

I feel the same way, I wish they fly JFK-IND and LGB-IND, I'd be happy. Nice way to open up a new terminal (at IND), a fresh face.

David



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

The adjusted CASM for B6 is $0.12036 - meaning that the top 88 markets or so are profitable.

User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2897 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3918 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
10 ….. BOS-MVY ….. $1,466 ….. $331 ….. $0.16054 ….. $0.29911 ….. $0.23923 ….. 59.7%

Where did this come from??? Is this a Cape Air flight?  Confused



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3907 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 8):
Where did this come from??? Is this a Cape Air flight?  

Yes it is, with apparent code sharing / through ticketing with B6.


User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2897 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3892 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 9):
Yes it is, with apparent code sharing / through ticketing with B6.

Interesting, thanks! I wonder if AerLingus stuff will start showing up on these reports in the quarters to come. That would be really cool if like a JFK-DUB or BOS-DUB flight shows up because of the agreement we have with AerLingus!  scratchchin 

BTW, MOBflyer, thanks for posting these. These are really quite interesting to look at and make quite a good read during my lunch break!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineDELTA777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3862 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 10):
Interesting, thanks! I wonder if AerLingus stuff will start showing up on these reports in the quarters to come. That would be really cool if like a JFK-DUB or BOS-DUB flight shows up because of the agreement we have with AerLingus!

Would be interesting, but AerLingus flights are not codeshare.

D E L T A 7 7 7


User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

When the LH deal is completed will these be code-shared? I would think that would be the case. So if we don't see BOS-SNN we very well might see JFK-FRA or JFK-MUC in the mix!


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Nice to see ROC doing well. I would have thought BUR would do better,i took this flight in June and it was packed both ways.


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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3807 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 13):
I would have thought BUR would do better,i took this flight in June and it was packed both ways.

BUR-JFK is JetBlue's most profitable transcon flight, if not the most profitable flight in the sytem.

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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Line 45, BUR-LAS, really puzzles me that it would even be listed or show in performance figures since the route didn't begin until 5/21. Most often, don't airlines prefer and wait to show performance figures after an entire period has been operated?

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3752 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 14):
Quoting United_Fan (Reply 13):
I would have thought BUR would do better,i took this flight in June and it was packed both ways.

BUR-JFK is JetBlue's most profitable transcon flight, if not the most profitable flight in the sytem.

JetBluefan1

That's great to hear. I love BUR! So much nicer than LAX. I'm a B6 convert after my trip on them in June.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3736 times:



Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 15):
Line 45, BUR-LAS, really puzzles me that it would even be listed or show in performance figures since the route didn't begin until 5/21. Most often, don't airlines prefer and wait to show performance figures after an entire period has been operated?

I don't think it has as much to do with preference as it does have to do with the law. JetBlue has a legal obligation to release these numbers, regardless of how long the flight has operated.

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User currently offlineJetBlueJackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3659 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 6):
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 2):
JetBlue's build-up at SLC has not been going as planned. BUR and SFO were dropped, and LAS is a low-yielding route. One frequency to each destination is just not going to cut it when you're competing with DL and WN.

The ONLY reason B6 builds at SLC is because of the THOUSANDS of crewmembers that are home-based there for the Reservations Center. The station is a money-LOSER. Many times there are only a handful of customers and 60+ standbys.

Quoting Jetbluejackets (Reply 3):
Still don't get the emphasis on SLC. 5 of the bottom 9 worst performers are to SLC.

See above.

And as a former CMH crewmember, certainly you can understand why I am jaded. If I was a shareholder, I would have a serious problem seeing these money draining routes kept open for "non-rev employee entertainment purposes"


User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3053 times:



Quoting JetBlueJackets (Reply 18):
And as a former CMH crewmember, certainly you can understand why I am jaded. If I was a shareholder, I would have a serious problem seeing these money draining routes kept open for "non-rev employee entertainment purposes"

Agreed. I mean they must have some local/system wide OAL agreements for the employees that work in SLC. Seems like a drain to me.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3014 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
53 ….. JFK-PHX ….. $26,325 ….. $25,591 ….. $0.13426 ….. $0.15783 ….. $0.04003 ….. 87.0%

I do apologize I am not sure how to read this but are these numbers good?


User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2893 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 20):
I do apologize I am not sure how to read this but are these numbers good?

Great numbers. RASM is above JetBlue's system-wide CASM of .10. The CASM for the JFK-PHX flight is certainly much lower than that since it is such a long flight. Definitely a profitable route.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2793 times:



Quoting JetBlueJackets (Reply 18):
If I was a shareholder, I would have a serious problem seeing these money draining routes kept open for "non-rev employee entertainment purposes"

Keep in mind the Herb Kelleher rule: Satisfy your employees first, who in turn satisfy the customers, who in turn satisfy the shareholders.

As long as the SLC routes aren't putting JetBlue in the tank (which it doesn't seem they are), I wouldn't be raising a huge fuss.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2793 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 14):

BUR-JFK is JetBlue's most profitable transcon flight, if not the most profitable flight in the sytem.

JetBluefan1

I have also heard this quite a bit, if not the top, very close to. In comparison to LGB, and to avoid the yield vs. load factor argument ahead of time, the BUR-JFK flights benefit from a rev guarantee that JetBlue initiated from the very beginning with the broadcast stations and Hollywood studios that are in close proximity to BUR. Their choice of airport is BUR being a very short drive the the facilities there in Burbank/Hollywood to the airport vs. LAX or LGB when considering the JetBlue conversation. Quite a long time ago, I even wrote here about a friend of mine from that area which is where I grew up before moving to Prescott, but the friend received a job to courier a package to the New York area for a studio. Forgot timeframe, but it was like 1-2-3 and within hour maybe or two, he was assigned, sent, package pickup, airport, boarding and enroute to JFK on JetBlue. I believe since earlier agreements, the guarantee has been adjusted to account for how many seats went unused, but as I mentioned I think back then, on the flip, this actually helped JetBlue sometimes when weather/winds and thus runway useage at BUR might limit takeoff capabilities. Although in previous times they might show 6 pax rev gtd for BUR flight through NBC, maybe only 1 would show/fly. JetBlue still guaranteed revenue from preset arrangement, but with 5 seats paid for then unused, allowed them to still sometimes operate the flight as needed and without possible diversions due to fuel req/takeoff weight&balance.

Just as long ago, it was also I think 2005, just after my parents' funerals that I was in BUR preparing for flight back to Arizona and watched a JetBlue E190 land/takeoff numerous times at the airport. When I visited the JetBlue gate, agents thought due to BUR's already high success that the airport was in line for further expansion once LGB was maxxed out, we've seen some additions and retrenchment, but JetBlue tries at least. The LAS flight recently returning in May to which I was sent to cover for our company, that was 5/21 when they also added 2X daily to IAD which has since been seasonally discontinued, but also not to forget their first attempt to BUR-LAS was an aircraft utilization tag on to the tried BUR-MCO route.

I'd always hoped that JetBlue would have given BUR more consideration for the shorter haul, such as SFO, which in past years was always one of United's highest yielding routes/per cost pax mile. Don't look at the pax numbers, those only reflect UA's kill on market factor in past years, but even other routes I had thought might be worth an attempt when pax fig vs. route yield and then connection possibilities, such as DEN-BUR-SFO, PHX/TUS-BUR, SEA/PDX-BUR, and those points interconnected as they are now offering thru LGB or even some of those being added conx poss. With such few frequencies on some of those routes thru LGB, they could offer BUR as a co-terminal with added frequencies at alternate time periods. Being that the AUS westbound flights are late day, co-terminal would offer alternate BUR/LGB possibilities to the L.A. basin, but let's say the BUR flight would be a morning westbound and the LGB flight the later day westbound and vice versa, LGB eastbound is mid morning and then maybe BUR would offer option as a later afternoon/early evening eastbound. Both airports would offer added frequency for the basin O&D but increased conx poss to JetBlue pax from the N.W., southern Calif, into the S.W and further points eastward.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2715 times:



Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 23):
I'd always hoped that JetBlue would have given BUR more consideration for the shorter haul, such as SFO

I have always said that BUR-SFO would be an absolute killer. No WN factor here. Plus, the new LGB-SFO flights are off to an amazing start (in the dead of fall, mind you). BUR-SFO 5x on the E190 is just the move B6 needs to make in order to become a real player on this route. JetBlue has the following in both markets to make it work.

On that note, I share your thoughts about B6 using BUR as a co-terminal to LGB. JetBlue has already done this to an extent with its attempt at BUR-IAD (and thereby dropping an LGB frequency), but it didn't work out as planned. I think adding BUR-AUS, on the other hand, would work out - especially since the LGB-AUS flight goes out full almost everyday, and there is no way to add a frequency without dropping it elsewhere. Frequencies out of LGB are thin enough as they are; BUR is the best way to bolster B6's LA presence without cannibalizing traffic.

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25 United_Fan : Since B6 doesn't have a first-class,they are kinda limited to the revenue a flight brings in,right ?
26 JetBluefan1 : Not exactly - more limited than the legacies, yes, but probably less limited than WN. In addition to ticket sales (both refundable and non-refundable
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