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We Jammin,We Jammin!..Jamaican Aviation Thread #3  
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3164 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12941 times:
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"Life is one big road with lots of signs. So when you riding through the ruts, don't complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy. Don't bury your thoughts, put your vision to reality. Wake Up and Live!"

A quote from The Legend Robert Nesta Marley....



We would like to extend our condolences to the familes of the late Byron Lee and Alton Ellis..
You did Jamaica proud!





Another leg of our aviation thread...Once again, to my yardies 'big up' and nuff respect...We have been progressing well with our thread, now on the third leg....Also, a thank you for our non Jamaican contributors, you support is always appreciated....

This is the land of our birth..
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk175/aalong02/jamaica/P1030713.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n21/dkurtz1162/Jamaica/Picture038.jpg

This our national airline
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/70740_1225997468.jpg

Our previous thread..
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4192756/


Forum Rules

I was not pleased with the behaviour of some 'guests' in the last forum..Let me make it clear, regarding the rules of our thread:

1..The purpose of the forum is to enlighten each other about events in our aviation/tourism industry..We are not promoting the ideology of 'Rising Stars'....If you think you need attention, seek it elsewhere...
2..If there is a need to correct another member, do it respectfully.....
3..We will not tolerate sarcastic or condescending behaviour in this forum, if there is a need to display such behaviour, start your own thread.....
4...If you have personal issues with other forum member, please refrain from defacing our thread..The instant message option will be the perfect channel...
5...Again, each person is entitled to his opinion...

"The good times of today, are the sad thoughts of tomorrow"




When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12949 times:
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International arrivals for Sat, Nov 8..

SSV A320 YYZ
SSV B757 YYZ
AC A319 YUL
WS B737 YUL
AC B767 YYZ
Thom B763 EMA
WS B737 YYZ
VS B744 LGW
TS A310 YUL
TS A310 YYZ
TCX A332 MAN
TCX A332 LGW

Winter is officially here!



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12937 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
"Life is one big road with lots of signs.

Stephen Marley used these lines in his song " Hey Baby " as well.

Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Another leg of our aviation thread...Once again, to my yardies 'big up' and nuff respect...We have been progressing well with our thread, now on the third leg....Also, a thank you for our non Jamaican contributors, you support is always appreciated....

Amazing photos. I like the tribute concept. Great job. Third lap and we will not drop the baton !

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 1):
International arrivals for Sat, Nov 8..

Canadian line up is awesome man !! The weather was far from good yesterday but didn't put a damper on MBJ's traffic.



greenheart
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

Embracing African roots in Jamaica

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7711767.stm

BBC again is putting out some great publicity on the Land of Wood and Water

Am sure the tourist board will agree that it goes a long way

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....rtainment/music/article5050450.ece
The times of London last week had this article in its entertainment segment

[Edited 2008-11-08 20:38:26]

User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 1):
International arrivals for Sat, Nov 8..

SSV A320 YYZ
SSV B757 YYZ
AC A319 YUL
WS B737 YUL
AC B767 YYZ
Thom B763 EMA
WS B737 YYZ
VS B744 LGW
TS A310 YUL
TS A310 YYZ
TCX A332 MAN
TCX A332 LGW

Winter is officially here!

The season officially opens on Dece 15 so expect more arrivals.

Hey, it is snowing already in some part of Alberta and even northern Ontario. I am heading home to Brazil on Nov 25 for 10 days. Then to Kingston and BGI on Dece 19. So, that is a great way to end the year.

Hey, Hummingbird, is that a pic of Y's Falls?

[Edited 2008-11-08 20:44:03]

User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12915 times:

Question, I noticed that the additional AA MIA-MBJ flight as per the agreement with the GoJ is up and running. However, thus far I havent seen the ORD-MBJ, neither is DFW-MBJ up to daily. When exactly are these expected to come on stream?


Cleared for takeoff!
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12905 times:



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 5):

The ORD/MBJ will begin at the end of January or February 2009

The daily DFW/MBJ should be going on stream shortly.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12901 times:



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 5):
However, thus far I havent seen the ORD-MBJ, neither is DFW-MBJ up to daily. When exactly are these expected to come on stream?

AA's subsidised DFW-MBJ-DFW flight operates tomm with a 738.
AA's subsidized ORD-MBJ-ORD flight, (752) will commence on Jan 31, 2009.


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12899 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
Amazing photos. I like the tribute concept. Great job. Third lap and we will not drop the baton !

Thanks, music has always been apart of our life......
Sprinting to Asafa...The baton will stay above the floor, hopefully there will be no collisions..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
Canadian line up is awesome man !! The weather was far from good yesterday but didn't put a damper on MBJ's traffic.

Just a correction, both TCX are heading to LGW..Another Thom B763 is headed to MAN..Its time to reap the fruit of our labour..Good job to Ed and all those involved in making Jamaica a popular tourist destination..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 3):
BBC again is putting out some great publicity on the Land of Wood and Water

Am sure the tourist board will agree that it goes a long way

Good publicity!

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
Hey, Hummingbird, is that a pic of Y's Falls?

I will double check as it looks familiar...



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12893 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
AA's subsidized ORD-MBJ-ORD flight, (752) will commence on Jan 31, 2009.

This is the date I am aware of.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 8):
Good job to Ed and all those involved in making Jamaica a popular tourist destination..

He is really burning the midnight oil. Commendable.



greenheart
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12884 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 9):
This is the date I am aware of.

Yes, it is listed on AA.com as a new international route. Also, I believe DL will start their third daily flight from ATL on Dec 20, 2008.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12845 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
Yes, it is listed on AA.com as a new international route. Also, I believe DL will start their third daily flight from ATL on Dec 20, 2008.



O.K.



greenheart
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12805 times:
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An article by Columnist Mark Wignall

If we should begin the trek to discover one of the best examples of pointless politics trumping sensible policy, we need look no further than Air Jamaica. In earlier times Air Jamaica was placed on the board of Jamaica's Air Policy Committee and it still remains there.

Air Jamaica's Chairperson Shirley Williams is not just a political appointee. She knows next to nothing about the airline business. And yet it is my understanding that up to the present time airline proposals which emanate from entities which would be considered competitors to Air Jamaica are routinely passed, as policy, to the Air Jamaica board for vetting and, of course, the usual rejection.

What would have happened if Cable and Wireless, the monopoly in the telecoms market not too long ago, had had Digicel's business plan passed to it by the government? Like any conglomerate, C&W would have loved to have the playing field all to itself, but at that time no such morbid cross-pollination existed in the telecoms policy as now exists in our air policy.

Williams, for all her loyalty to the political fraternity of her choice, must ask herself if her tenure in the long run yield any good fruit to the very politics which pivoted her to the top post on the Air Jamaica board.

In early 2007, a colleague of hers, Ruddy Spencer, then head of the BITU and Opposition MP, said, "Nobody is aware of what Air Jamaica wants to achieve, but the airline has potential, if only there was a clear vision." One would have thought, now that they accupy the seat of power, that 22 months after Spencer made that statement and 14 months since the JLP government took the political reins of this country, the vision would have been more clearly defined. As it is, Spencer, now the Minister of Health, needs to whisper something in Williams' ears like, 'Shirley, have you developed that vision yet?'

The airline's divestment investor presentation produced by the IFC and Air Jamaica admitted to two areas of mismanagement. First it said that 'the current problem of air Jamaica is cost control.' Second, it said that Air Jamaica leads the market in high fares, extracting one of the highest revenues per passenger per mile - US$0.185 as against AA at $0.165 and Spirit at $0.11.

The airline consortium known as Airone has announced its intention to bring in US$400 million per year. Air Jamaica racked up losses of US$170 million in 2007; that is expected to rise to $200 million at the end of 2008. The big difference is that Airone's overriding objective is to provide a no-frills, low-cost airline which would open up the air space to affordable travel for (more) Jamaicans while Air Jamaica is still beyond the reach of most Jamaicans, and it is bleeding the taxpayers dry.

In the last 10 years Air Jamaica has posted losses of US$1 billion. With all the talk of divestment, which seems to be more talk than plan, it would not surprise me if another business plan from Air Jamaica were submitted to government for its approval and an even slower death for the taxpayer.

Let us get one thing clear here. If the government wants to place its political appointees in positions where they have the power to encumber our children and grandchildren with the decisions of today, the very least we expect of those appointees is that they keep us in the loop on policy. So let me ask this. Where are we with the divestment process? Has the board developed a timeline or is the nation being invited to a political charade? Where is the transparency which the Air Jamaica board promised us three years ago? Indeed, where is the transparency that the government promised us 14 months ago?

Lastly, if the March 2009 deadline runs out and we are told that the process is still. in progress, must we take it that the taxpayers of this country will again be asked to foot additional bills, when it is as plain as day that no member of the Air Jamaica board is an expert in the global airline industry, yet this is the same entity intervening to block other players in the market? How does the government seek to define and manoeuvre its way through airline policy by having proposals sent to the Air Jamaica board? That's almost like asking Sarah Palin where in South America Cuba is situated. You will get an answer.

Minister Mike Henry who prides himself on being quite a knowledgeable man must catapult that knowledge into 21st-century thinking and end Air Jamaica's inclusion on the Air Transport Policy Board. Sure we know the government is overburdened with stuff, but we also know that the transport minister would like to see a smooth transition in the sale of Air Jamaica and a lessening of the burden on the taxpayer.

Surely it is not far-fetched to suggest that one of the main reasons for Air Jamaica's problems - cost control, as it has admitted - could be the MAIN cause of its unprofitability. Air Jamaica has one member of staff to 680 passengers, while other airlines are in the ratio of one staff member to 8,000 passengers.

Again, how can the government embrace the sort of archaic thinking that has 'energised' the AJ Board to stick the taxpayers with another US$200 million this year? If the government wants consultancy, all it has to do is open the pages of the World Bank 2006 report on aviation in the Caribbean.

SHIRLEY WILLIAMS MUST GO

In this country, no one holding political office is ever accountable to the people. Persons like Williams are good, decent people who mean well. I am sure that the AJ chairperson has other strengths and she may wish to consider other options at this time, especially after her recent action of ordering the return of a plane taxiing to take off (to pick up a VIP) should have resulted in her resignation.

If the chairperson is honest with herself, she will admit that political appointments to commercial organisations require the person to possess area-specific skills rather than naked loyalty to a political party. Ms Williams must also admit that, when board members of AJ seek indemnity, this sends a signal that the airline is heading from the hospital to the morgue.

While I agree with the indemnity, I cannot help but think of the new freedoms gained by the board to begin digging the grave for Air Jamaica.

With Williams in control of the AJ Board, she actually wields significant power in scripting air policy, and she has the power to block Airone from ever flying over the Jamaican skies.

How in God's name can it be that the board of a commercial entity, headed by a political appointee who has demonstrated that she is out of her depth in running AJ, is at the same time sitting as judge and jury over Airone's proposal? Madness of the hightest order, but in Jamaica, under a 'new and different' JLP, it's par for the course.

I have already stated that as much as we may have wanted to maintain the love affair with nationalism, the fact is that Air Jamaica has decided against asking the public to invest in the ownership of the airline simply because it is easier to suck the blood out of suffering Jamaicans by forcing them to contribute their hard-earned dollars to keeping an albatross around their own necks.

Now that we know we will never be asked to invest in the high-fare-structure Air Jamaica after being told that it is to be divested, why must the nation continue to feel the influence of the AJ board outside of its remit?

Airone has promised the people of this country much, much cheaper fares than those charged by Air Jamaica. Isn't that supposed to be a politician's dream? The Transport ministry has not told us that it has found any faults in Airone's proposal, so why should a board and a chairperson presiding over a continually failing entity be in a position to decide the fate of a potentially profitable airline?

The logic doesn't fit. No one really wants to see Air Jamaica out of the skies. What it needs is new direction and management, something presently absent from its make-up.

Minister Mike Henry has his job cut out for him. He has to take hold of airline policy in Jamaica and wrest it from the sort of politics which dictated our lives in the 1970s and 1980s.
It is backward thinking to believe that Airone will not be able to revolutionise air travel as Digicel did to the telecoms market. Is this all happening under the government which promised us 'Jobs, jobs and more jobs?' Which jobs? Those on various boards?

Minister Henry must step in now and end the charade. First, he must end the association of the AJ Board with the Air Transport Policy Board. Surely if and when the airline is sold, such an association will be immediately terminated. So, why not do it now?

Second, he must decide whether the administration he is part of represents the people of this country, or whether it exists to secure posts for political appointees. He must then have his independent technocrats scrutinise the proposal from Airone and make a decision in due course.

Lastly, he must ask himself if the people of this country deserve to be saddled with more taxes, more inefficiency and less transparency after over 18 years of 'runnings' by the last PNP government. Surely the people of this country deserve better, Mr Minister.

observemark@gmail.com



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12745 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 12):

Hummingbird, it is always interesting reading comments and point of views from Mr Wignall and I will take his views under caution as this man has severe ulterior motives. It is not the first time that he has come out in support of the AirOne Venture and if I were to do some research you will see that he has been pushing hot button for sometimes now.

The tone and bigger text of his comments obviously has substance but it is said at this time due to his support for Airone.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 12):
Let us get one thing clear here. If the government wants to place its political appointees in positions where they have the power to encumber our children and grandchildren with the decisions of today, the very least we expect of those appointees is that they keep us in the loop on policy. So let me ask this. Where are we with the divestment process? Has the board developed a timeline or is the nation being invited to a political charade? Where is the transparency which the Air Jamaica board promised us three years ago? Indeed, where is the transparency that the government promised us 14 months ago?

Lastly, if the March 2009 deadline runs out and we are told that the process is still. in progress, must we take it that the taxpayers of this country will again be asked to foot additional bills

If it was another commentator making those observations I would not feel as suspcious as I am right now.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 12):
The airline's divestment investor presentation produced by the IFC and Air Jamaica admitted to two areas of mismanagement. First it said that 'the current problem of air Jamaica is cost control.' Second, it said that Air Jamaica leads the market in high fares, extracting one of the highest revenues per passenger per mile - US$0.185 as against AA at $0.165 and Spirit at $0.11.

I recognise that from dayone and as someone with cost management background successive administrations/management at JM have been allowed to get away with such a policy.

The Sabre Recommendation that Butch Stewart signed clearly outlined measures such as what Mark is talking about. But those recommendations were never fully implemented.

I know that JM has not had any competition from any home (Jamaican) based carriers. Therefore, this is why the Irish model seems to have found favour Don Wehby.

But, Mark is really creating smoke screen with this article and for him to suggestion that there is no plan or annoucements is clearly a figment of his imagination. I am aware of the government 3 prong approach to the diverstment.

If, as he said the deadline has pass for the divestment in march 2009 then what next ?

Now, that is what I want to hear about.

Shirley Williams did say back in the summer that there is plan B.

So, guys, I wonder what that will be.

are to assumed that Mr Wehby recent visits to Ireland has anything to do with that?


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 12713 times:

Here was a report from earlier in the year

http://jamaicaobserver.com/magazines..._RUNNER_TO_ACQUIRE_AIR_JAMAICA.asp


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12663 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 13):
But, Mark is really creating smoke screen with this article and for him to suggestion that there is no plan or annoucements is clearly a figment of his imagination. I am aware of the government 3 prong approach to the diverstment.

I agree. For him to imply that no plan whatsoever has been outlined for JM's divestment clearly says a lot about this individual's character. He has alluded to the fact that cost control was a major sore point of JM and I think if he was really honest with himself and readers alike he would also have made mention of some of the improvements that JM has made recently with the acquisition and efficient utilization of the A319 for example. It is a fact that there is a whole lot more work ahead for JM but I am also interested in the very question he asked re March 2009 and beyond. And regarding his comments re transparency, was it not outlined by Mr. Nobles that more detailed information will be forthcoming in January ?



greenheart
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12642 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 15):

Perhaps, a detailed letter from all of us to Mr Wignall outlining the thrust of what we know and has seen so far will perhaps give the opportunity of being more enlightened.

It is only a hope as I think he is playing the "devil's advocate" here.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 15):
Mr. Nobles that more detailed information will be forthcoming in January ?

Yet, you and I and others are aware that Mr Nobles did say that in the new year more information will be forth coming.

http://jamaicaobserver.com/editorial...0_142341_OBS_EDITORIAL_CARTOON.asp

This is really a funny cartoon

Lets hope that it will never come to that where there is airlift but no passengers.


User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12567 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
"Life is one big road with lots of signs. So when you riding through the ruts, don't complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy. Don't bury your thoughts, put your vision to reality. Wake Up and Live!"

A quote from The Legend Robert Nesta Marley....

Bwoy mi dia a lay low...... But since seh you post one of my favorite quotes....Mi come back..



DCA
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12548 times:
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Quoting JM079 (Reply 13):
Hummingbird, it is always interesting reading comments and point of views from Mr Wignall and I will take his views under caution as this man has severe ulterior motives. It is not the first time that he has come out in support of the AirOne Venture and if I were to do some research you will see that he has been pushing hot button for sometimes now.

The tone and bigger text of his comments obviously has substance but it is said at this time due to his support for Airone.

When I read the article, I can tell Mr Wignall did not do an indepth study of the airline...He made solid points, but what are the solutions?......In his earnest to support the licensing of Airone, he clearly avoided the positive steps the company has taken...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 13):
I recognise that from dayone and as someone with cost management background successive administrations/management at JM have been allowed to get away with such a policy.

Until recently, they have been folowing the BS policy of pricing without profit..Things have taken a change for the best..On some routes, to fly on JM will warrant a premium fare...I assume he is accustomed to the jabs that are hurled at the airline...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 13):
I know that JM has not had any competition from any home (Jamaican) based carriers. Therefore, this is why the Irish model seems to have found favour Don Wehby.

I agree, similar cost and route structure..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 13):
But, Mark is really creating smoke screen with this article and for him to suggestion that there is no plan or annoucements is clearly a figment of his imagination. I am aware of the government 3 prong approach to the diverstment.

Mark is being dillusional...To turn the company will take substantial capital investment to remove the bondage from those Airbus contracts...To give an insight, 10 Airbus with ten different contracts...The situtation is very sticky...The current plan is to return the aircrafts once the leases expire, while acquiring cheaper 'buses'...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 15):
It is a fact that there is a whole lot more work ahead for JM but I am also interested in the very question he asked re March 2009 and beyond. And regarding his comments re transparency, was it not outlined by Mr. Nobles that more detailed information will be forthcoming in January ?

I beleive it will happen in March...Once certain aspects are curtailed, then they can make the announcements.....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 16):
Perhaps, a detailed letter from all of us to Mr Wignall outlining the thrust of what we know and has seen so far will perhaps give the opportunity of being more enlightened.

It is only a hope as I think he is playing the "devil's advocate" here.

He would be blown away, lol

Quoting JM079 (Reply 16):
This is really a funny cartoon

Lets hope that it will never come to that where there is airlift but no passengers.

Am not surprised at that cartoon.. Am sure if he was not doing enough, it would be a different story..

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 17):
Bwoy mi dia a lay low...... But since seh you post one of my favorite quotes....Mi come back..

Solid as a rock, lol...



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12506 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 16):
This is really a funny cartoon

Lets hope that it will never come to that where there is airlift but no passengers.

Funny cartoon indeed. With the work Ed is doing ( especially in Canada ) I am certain it will not reach that stage  Smile



greenheart
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12481 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 19):
Funny cartoon indeed. With the work Ed is doing ( especially in Canada ) I am certain it will not reach that stage

I believe Jamaica will come close to their projections...He is to be commended for thinking outside the box....

AA 3 dailies to MIA will utilise a B757/737 mix..

JM 75 had a fuel stop in FLL...The headwinds were very strong....At 32,000 ft it was crusing at 397mph...

Babybus is on 21/20...I think it will be heading to NAS in the afternoon...


Antigua and Barbados plans to negotiate with other British carriers to fill the void left from the pullout of BMI..

http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?as=...al&aop=312356078311072008_sunwkend

http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/newsitem.asp?more=business&NewsID=349


I sympathise with the hoteliers in The Cayman Islands...95% of the buildings on the island suffered damages from Hurricane Paloma,,,,I can only hope for a speedy recovery..



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12468 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 20):
sympathise with the hoteliers in The Cayman Islands...95% of the buildings on the island suffered damages from Hurricane Paloma,,,,I can only hope for a speedy recovery..

I was astounded when I read that this late in the season hurricane has developed.
This is a rare acurrance.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 20):
Antigua and Barbados plans to negotiate with other British carriers to fill the void left from the pullout of BMI..

http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Car...ies/2008/11/07/NEWS0000006541.html

This is going to be a huge loss for the EC/

That leave VS as the only other carrier on route


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12459 times:

I was surprised to see that it seems that CM will be flying more than twice weekly PTY-KIN-PTY next year.
I've not seen any press release on the frequency increase.
Has CM KIN made any announcements to the Jamaican Travel guild?



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

Does BMI serve KIN/ MBJ? Is there pullout limited to the EC or does it include all of their Caribbean ops?

AA1818



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12429 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 22):
was surprised to see that it seems that CM will be flying more than twice weekly PTY-KIN-PTY next year.
I've not seen any press release on the frequency increase.
Has CM KIN made any announcements to the Jamaican Travel guild?

No, info has been released as yet but from I can see KIN will now be served on Sat/Sun/Tues/Wed with a mix of the 737/E70. Flights are timed to connect to other cities on the southern continent. Excellent move on CM as it will shift traffic away from MIA. A viable option that will definately see Jamaicans travelling more to SA.


25 JM079 : This pull-out will affect the EC as BGI and ANU were the only cities served in the Caribbean. I am wondering if there ORD flt is under review as well
26 Caribbean484 : Yes ORD will end on January 15 and LAS will end on April 26. BMI only serves BGI and ANU in the Caribbean.
27 Post contains links HummingBird : "You have two jobs now. You have to be our biggest marketers as far as tourism is concerned because we can't sell Jamaica like you. You also have to b
28 2travel2know : Pretty sure they had, but IMHO, rightnow it seems that CM wants to consolidate KIN. Maybe after KIN goes daily, MBJ may see CM's E190.
29 HummingBird : Is the traffic between KIN and PTY open for a daily service?.....I was of the understanding it was little premium with the majority being VFR and ICI
30 BW424 : Very sticky!When are the contracts expected to expire?
31 2travel2know : It is, how do people expect those Jamaicans and Latinamericans looking to strengthen relations between the island and the continent going to travel?
32 Post contains images AirJamaica : Agree. I think we will fear off better than many of our competitors. Great to see them applying creativity to the existing toursim product. Jamaica i
33 JM079 : KX has made significant modification to its GCM/KIN route. Twice daily flights are gone and has been replaced with 4 flights per week.
34 Trintocan : Yes it is sad to see BD leave ANU and BGI - the Islands would have a bit of a hard time getting additional airlift as BA no longer have any major oper
35 HummingBird : While Bahamian tourism officials are looking to Europe and the wider world to broaden its tourist pool beyond North America, the Organization for Econ
36 AirJamaica : AA had so many ads on local TV back then. Strangely enough I can't remember the one you are referring to. I remember the one with a pair attractive t
37 HummingBird : As German market staggers ...'Jamaica Experience' charms travel agents In a bid to revive the struggling German market, European tour operator TUI has
38 AirJamaica : Good gesture by TUI. Many of their local ads ended with that line. Called them a while ago. They still offer the service from their Trafalgar Road Of
39 AirJamaica : Good gesture by TUI. Many of their local ads ended with that line. Called them a while ago. They still offer the service from their Trafalgar Road Of
40 Post contains links and images Speedbird2263 : Bamboo Eco Resort - St. Mary, Jamaica More confimation of Investor confidence with regards to the Jamaican tourism potential. I could only wish that
41 HummingBird : I agree.....The salesman is on another trip,,,,The support from the German market is needed in order to meet the forecasts...The problem with The Ger
42 Post contains links and images A388 : To all Jamaica lovers, below is my latest Jamaican addition to airliners.net and more: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao
43 Speedbird2263 : I think JM needs to re-double its efforts after divestment, should that occur on a timely basis, to re-enter the long haul market because I believe i
44 HummingBird : Thanks for the photos....Its nice to see DL deploy it's new aircraft on a Caribbean route... Insel Air is looking sleek!! Right on point......I like
45 AirJamaica : Great photos A388. Many people do not like the colorful livery of JM but one thing is certain...It does stand out and catches the eye at any given ai
46 Post contains links AirJamaica : In the news...ADDITION TO THE AIR JAMAICA TEAM http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...r/20081112/business/business2.html
47 Caymanair : Where did you find this info? The flights to KIN are between 11 weekly and twice daily year round and it is officially like this until atleast Octobe
48 HummingBird : Senator Don Wehby, minister without portfolio in the Ministry of Finance, is holding to projections of 15-17 per cent for fiscal inflation, the same l
49 AirJamaica : This is very good news. LOL. Neither would it be for me. I really meant ideal in terms of FRA/MAD being a seasonal tourist route. In terms of comfort
50 Post contains links HummingBird : The current timetable shows little or no competition on the route..They both try to avoid over-lapping of flights I would love to see that day when f
51 AirJamaica : Not according to JM's website. A quick check display US$309 GCM/KIN return from Nov 23rd to 30th. For the corresponding time period, FLL/KIN shows US
52 HummingBird : Agree...KX has the cost advantage over JM, they are able to offer cheaper fares and still make the route profitable.. The flight will always start in
53 AirJamaica : I guess the fare war is on in POS. Its amazing to see the prices on AA & CAL POS/MIA. It has been spoken about a lot in the past. POS/MIA on AA is ch
54 SCL767 : MIA-POS has been on sale since May, with fares around 231.00USD!!!
55 HummingBird : The current specials are $106 MIA ,JFK $172 and YYZ $218 all including taxes... The A321 is enroute to LAX 36,000ft at 429mph...
56 AirJamaica : OK. Really amazing ticket prices. OK. Yes I read about DL's Africa plans as well. Visited ATL once. I would live there.
57 AirJamaica : I get the impression they hardly use the A321 on the LAX & MCO routes which is quite understandable as the A320 does the job quite fine and the A321
58 SCL767 : FLL-KIN is the same price too, and has been on "sale" since it started.
59 HummingBird : Very impressive..Am sure they will have success on the market.....This will make them the largest US carriers in terms of international routes... Cur
60 HummingBird : The new president of Air Jamaica has admitted that there is no clear plan for the future of the loss-making airline if management fails to divest the
61 HummingBird : Investment Opportunities in Tourism Sector Highlighted at World Travel Market Trade Show Investment opportunities that are available in the island's t
62 Caribbean484 : All routes on CALs network are on sale to stimulate demands in the downturn, even YYZ where there is zero competition the fare is much lower while ca
63 Post contains links JM079 : Wow, so much has been happening here. Was away in Whistler, BC doing site inspection as this is the venue for the next winter games. The winter games
64 JM079 : Bahamas is really feeling the effect badly> I read that the PM has address the nation about this crisis but there is a lesson to be learn here and it
65 JM079 : I read that Nigeria Airways flew to the following destination: a post by SCL767 in the other room but to the best of my knowledge Kingston should not
66 Post contains links JM079 : Some more updates, guy, as JM strenghtened its managment team as this online report states: http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/13174/52/ I appla
67 SCL767 : Why should Kingston not be on that list? A little research and I'm sure you can find the routing.
68 Post contains links HummingBird : TUI has a large network in Germany and Europe...Their contribution to our industry is a welcomed addition... I discovered the Observer is doing the s
69 HummingBird : They also served MBJ via SNN..
70 BW424 : JM pilots are indeed first class,a reason why EK and EY are lobbying hard to get their services.Same situation with the BW pilots.My deceased uncle t
71 JM079 : " target=_blank>http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/story...shing Not comfortable hearing that. Jm is slated to appear before the select committee of Parl
72 Speedbird2263 : Hear Hear...I remember the first time seeing a pair of JM pilots walking through the terminal many years ago at JFK and I honestly thought they were
73 LimaMike : I feel that same way too. Perhaps it is the proximity to the US and maybe that causes a sort of irrational superiority complex. Either way, I just fi
74 JM079 : Awesome. When I lived in Kingston I use to work with the defunct JQ /the guys that were there happens to be a butch of great people. I know that they
75 HummingBird : How far are you with your training?......Its commendable that you intend to contine with the Jamaican pilots tradition....Kudos... My FA friends info
76 Speedbird2263 : I will tell you this, Ive heard and read quite a bit but that's a new one to me. Id sure love to hear the hangar talk on that one.
77 AirJamaica : OK. Thanks for info. Extremely commendable. Agree. These I am aware of. Wikipedia lists KIN as one of their past destinations but if they did indeed
78 AirJamaica : Good to hear that. When I was growing up the flying bug bit me as well but the ATC bug bit me harder. Not too surprised by your story. Shocking but n
79 JM079 : LOL....what am amazing story. Bruce Golding spoke early this year to the Bahamian PM about the treatment of Jamaicans in that country. The same situa
80 SCL767 : DC-10, maybe in 1978, 1979, etc. This was when Nigeria Airways was in its "heyday" and during Nigeria's oil boom. I will look for the exact routing.
81 AirJamaica : OK. If that's the case then yes I was a toddler then. SU did serve KIN & MBJ for a while. Used to see it at KIN a few times when I happened to be out
82 JM079 : The flight was once a week and arrives KIN on or about 10am. Am always amazed at the number of Jamaicans who were heading to Russia and it was also t
83 HummingBird : In the case of MBJ, it operated on Sunday nights......It was the aircraft with the 4 engines at the back..It operated up to 1995...
84 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...e_KrasAir_Aviation_Video-6161.html I was looking for the model aircraft in the data base that was seen at KIN/
85 Post contains links and images Speedbird2263 : Currently pursuing all the requisite CFI ratings, its been a long ride since WINGS Jamaica As you are familiar im sure, its the passion for this fiel
86 AirJamaica : That is the frequency & time I remember as well. True. Back then when I first became aware of SU's Jamaica services I thought it was a 'weird' route.
87 HummingBird : Cool.. Am still stuck on these Wilco and CLS aircrafts.... This is the aircraft....At that time, it was the last scheduled flight into MBJ..It arrive
88 HummingBird : Prior to the break-up of the USSR... SU was the world's largest carrier in terms of international routes......There were alot of cultural exchange in
89 Post contains images AirJamaica : Very true. Aviation was ( and still is ) in my blood from I was about 11 years old. The interest was there before that but it really sank in at that
90 JM079 : Hahahahaha....good memories too... Wow, awesome worked with some of those guys in the past at KTP ISpeedbird2263 that is BA flight number LGW/KIN...l
91 747400sp : I remeber when Air Jamaica started service to LAX, they was using A310s then later though the years, they down graded to an A320.
92 AirJamaica : I remember when it was 263/264 prior to becoming 2263/2264. There are some flight numbers that never changed over the years since I knew them. Like J
93 AirJamaica : Prior to "Butch Stewart" they used the A300 on the MBJ/LAX route. At times back then they also chartered a HAL L101 to operate that route as well. Th
94 Hummingbird : AFAIK AC 982/983 JM 11/10 JM 41/40 JM 45/44 JM 81/80 JM 59/58.... These numbers have never changed. .I remember the PHX flight..It operated twice a w
95 AirJamaica : OK. JM 069 KIN/GCM I remember operated as JM 099/098 for a while. One Sunday when I was in ATC, JM 80 did MBJ/MCO & JM 81 did MCO/MBJ. Everyone on th
96 Post contains links JM079 : The online edition of Hospitality Jamaica is reporting that Virgin Atlantic will as of September 09 will increase the number of flights out of London
97 Caymanair : It is very common across the Caribbean... there is a bad attitude towards Jamaicans across the region. I've seen it all over the place especially bec
98 HummingBird : I remember those days...It was operated by the Dash-8... Quite strange!.. Lets assume this flight will be heading to MBJ... A sign that Jamaica produ
99 HummingBird : The recent killing of Estella will further dampen the relationship!
100 Post contains links JM079 : The Bahamian PM tell it as it is when it comes to the crisis the country is facing as it relates to one of the major source of revenue for the economy
101 Post contains links HummingBird : * Patience is a virtue* The GOJ plans to relocate the Tinson Pen Aerodrome to the proposed Caymanas Economic Zone.. http://jis.gov.jm/commerce_science
102 JM079 : It is a very astute observation Hummingbird as the evidence so far suggest that by diversying into other markets Jamaica will be able to withstand an
103 LimaMike : Right, you mean like the same way people of Middle Eastern/Arabic decent should understand the stigma attached to them and therefore anticipate or pr
104 Post contains links JM079 : This is the tales of three cities. Here is an extract from Charles Dickens ................""It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it w
105 JM079 :
106 HummingBird : I heard the Canadian flights are doing extremely well...I also noticed an increase in flights from the UK...But, the situation will need a sense of u
107 SCL767 : The 763s are based at LHR, so I don't think MBJ will see BA services this winter. Does Monarch operate into MBJ?
108 AirJamaica : I would think so too. Agree. The 'scare tactic' by DL & BA is pointless. Agree. If Jamaica was not one of their preferred destinations I don't think
109 AirJamaica : This is the tricky part of the equation. I think BA is very much still interested in MBJ but also I read where the B767's are based at LHR. They woul
110 JM079 : The discussion that Jamaica is having with BA and VS is for 2009 As per the report VS will commence additional flights in the summer to winter of 200
111 SCL767 : BA will not move the 763s from LHR. You guys know what BA wants in order to recommence services to MBJ. What's BA's frequency into KIN? And also Virg
112 AirJamaica : Connections from Europe is of utmost importance to the tourism minister so I guess they will examine both VS & BA and then decide their next move. In
113 SCL767 : Those aren't bad frequencies into Jamaica. BA asked for subsidies just like AA; so that's for the GOJ to determine.
114 HummingBird : Correct...In addition to this the meeting will involve the investors from the Spanish hotels...I would assume they are looking at over 200 seats per
115 JM079 : Jamaica is looking to increase the number of seats out of the UK and from continental Europe so what they have in mind is an increase in the number o
116 JM017 : When they cancelled service a while ago, their issue was yields on the route. I always wondered about that. Other carriers made it work. And if the p
117 Caymanair : I'm not in any way saying that it is right to insult of dehumanize people on those grounds. However, it is important to understand why such stigmas e
118 SCL767 : You know what guys, I'm seriously thinking of visiting Jamaica; since I live so close to the island and I have extra miles to burn. However, I don't
119 Caymanair : Go to Kingston first... there is so much to do and see there and there are far fewer tourists. The areas you'd go to are very safe and there are lots
120 SCL767 : I like history, big time, and all my friends here in MIA just do KIN, and stay away from MBJ. I need to do some serious investigating; I'm sure KIN h
121 JM079 : Your views are important and this issue of perception and reality should be discussed in another forum similar to this as I think that we (including
122 JM079 : Great recommendation/ Last year I send some of my Canadian friends to Kingston and they did something similar to what you outlined above. Including i
123 SCL767 : Jamaica really has so much to do, and hiking is one of my sports! I'm going to do some research, but I think I would prefer KIN vs MBJ.
124 JM079 : LOL It is an experience you will enjoy. Downtown Kingston is filled with rich colonial building. Spanish Town which was the old Capital....really gre
125 Caymanair : Yes yes yes. Go to the market in Falmouth. Dont abandon the north coast. It's a tourist mecca for a very good reason.
126 SCL767 : You guys are getting me excited now! I heard about that market to, and it would be nice to eat some real jerk!
127 Post contains links HummingBird : It will be the new standard for those seeking to fill their hotels..... Look at what The Bahamas has done!!...The response has been overwhelming... h
128 Post contains images AirJamaica : At the end of the day Jamaica is much more than sun, sand & sea and as detailed by past postings in this and other threads, the tourism officials are
129 AirJamaica : MBJ is Jamaica's prime tourist gateway but as we all know, the VFR passengers are also in the mix where MBJ/LGW is concerned though in smaller amount
130 HummingBird : It will be available in April,09..... Air Jamaica North American loads for May,2008 ATL-MBJ 4804.....3582....75% BWI-MBJ 3946...3074...78% FLL-KIN 13
131 JM017 : This is a tough call. There is soo much more to do in Kingston, Mobay is nice too for a different pace. If you are looking for landmarks, then yeah K
132 AirJamaica : Not bad considering its pre-summer results. If my memory serves me correctly the last published stats had similar loads for these pair. Wasn't expect
133 AirJamaica : Agree. Also if anyone is into architectual photography then this building is a must. How could I forget ......Portland = Jerk. You can get jerk '' an
134 Post contains links JM079 : VS success on the LGW/MBJ is as a result of having a very good tour arm (Virgin Holidays). MBJ is packaged, marketed and sold exclusively and it would
135 Post contains links JM079 : Heritage Jamaica is the guardian of Jamaica's culture and heritage and I will suggest that you can peruse there website as it will give you a clear i
136 Post contains links and images A388 : My apologies for the late reply but here I am. Thanks to Hummingbird and AirJamaica for the nice comments on my photos. It is indeed nice to see an ai
137 HummingBird : Its the new era of tourism, you have to spend more to receive more... You will never see an under 60% for ATL and BWI....Strong VFR flight with 20% t
138 JM079 : When the 777 was first deployed it followed the LGW/MBJ/KIN/MBJ/LGW routing which was quite interesting as you have a 777 doing a 25 minutes run. The
139 AA1818 : Regardless of how much cargo they carry, those load factors are horrific...why has JM lost so much market share to AA? Have they scaled back their MI
140 BW424 : Loads on almost all routes are very respectable.The only puzzle they have to solve now is that MIA load factor to both cities.
141 Caymanair : If all is as it seems, JM is not making a profit with the passenger side of things to MIA. 38% is dismal. If they can't resolve that and bring the LF
142 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.airjamaica.com/cargoAboutUs.aspx ....."For more than three decades Air Jamaica Cargo has offered superior service to our customers both lo
143 Post contains links JM079 : Air Jamaica cargo advises based on the link below http://www.airjamaica.com/CargoFreighterServices.aspx Freighter Service .........."In addition to ou
144 Caymanair : I know that... what I'm getting at is why offer the passenger service to MIA if it is not able to pay the bills? Wouldn't an all cargo flight make mor
145 SCL767 : Thanks for the info guys, I appreciate it. The new tourism site is very informative too. I'll keep you guys updated, KIN has tons to do and see, it l
146 Post contains links HummingBird : Nice pic..What was the routing? The Chinese are looking at Caymanas Economic Zone... http://jamaicaobserver.com/news/html...IECE_OF_CAYMANAS_ECONOMIC
147 Caribbean484 : I have been talking with a representative of JM and the airlines Florida operations last month and JM has 2 route problems. MIA- This route has been u
148 AirJamaica : I can never get too much of good aviation photos. Keep them coming. No problem. They certainly will have to address the flooding problem in the lands
149 AirJamaica : Not bad considering the competition they face from NK & AA at FLL. They indeed have the loyalty of VFR/Jamericans.
150 JM079 : Air Jamaica's Senior Director, George DeMacardo, speaking in the UK to an information session on the future and divestment of carrier gave the audienc
151 LimaMike : Well, considering that for the month indicated in the stats JM was utilizing a combination of A320s and A321s on 2x daily KIN-MIA it is not really su
152 AA1818 : Well the main point is because AA is run for profit, JM tries but fails. People in general come to the conclusion that AA's key people know what they
153 SCL767 : And for market share, look what AA did to Maxjet at STN. Also, FLL-KIN is operating only because every passenger that AA "steals" from NK and JM is c
154 Caribbean484 : Yes very true and thats a good point, however you have to remember that AA is in it for the profits and not national pride as our airlines are for. I
155 AirJamaica : The 3 times I flew AA KIN/MIA/EWR, KIN/MIA/MCO & KIN/MIA I was always amazed at how many connections some passengers were making via MIA to get to/fr
156 SCL767 : A lot connect internationally via MIA to BZE, LHR, YYZ, etc. Yes, the same thing with BWIA; the A-340s were the wrong choice for long-haul operations
157 HummingBird : Agree... Forever faithful.... I agree.......Old habits die hard...... I will try to post the remaining stats later..... Today was an interesting day
158 AirJamaica : Agree. I notice. O.K. Would have been an ideal day to do aircraft photography or spotting. I don't see MBJ loosing their crown as the busiest airport
159 Post contains images AirJamaica : Here is a trip down memory lane: Hey HummingBird, as you can see MH is in this photo. Regards.[Edited 2008-11-16 01:30:52]
160 Post contains links and images AirJamaica : My apologies for the double posts. Photobucket was acting up. Trip down memory lane: JM's FIRST ALL FEMALE FLIGHT CREW. KIN-FLL-KIN Hey HummingBird MH
161 JM079 : Nostalgic isn't?lol Interesting uniforms back in the days. There is evidence of that ontime improvement as FlightStats data for JM for the summer has
162 JM079 : The Commonwealth Conference in Trinidad next year is obviously a coup for that country and the Queen who is head of the Commonwealth will definately b
163 Caribbean484 : Its not sepculation its the truth, I am not sure for JM but for BWIA it was very much the wrong a/c. Management wanted a more efficient a/c than the
164 LimaMike : That is an interesting question indeed. I do not know what percentage of AAs MIA-KIN/MBJ traffic actually originates in MIA, but naturally I expect t
165 JM079 : Absolutely, and might I add that the recent agreement that Jamaica initiated with AA was a recognition of AA route network that allows for more or be
166 Caribbean484 : Hey man your stats and mines finally agree lol. I know there are about 2 million Jamaicans living outside of Jamaica, thats a large number.
167 AirJamaica : Indeed. There was this other photo displaying the celebration of their inaugural flight to DFW and Frankfurt back in the day with a cake cutting cere
168 Post contains links AA1818 : http://newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,89811.html I certainly hope that all goes well for JM's divestment. The Gov't of Jamaica simply cannot afford to co
169 Post contains links JM079 : Reply 157 gives info on the lastest at JM The PM spoke yesterday and info below http://www.jamaicagleaner.com/gleaner/20081117/business/business1.htm
170 HummingBird : I imagine the sky-cabs having a field day.....I agree, cool day for spotting.. I remember this pic..This was JM039 doing MBJ-KIN-FLL....We all know t
171 Post contains links HummingBird : Deterrents to regional travel I learned recently that a friend of mine used to fly from Barbados to Trinidad and back just for Chinese food. Without r
172 Post contains images SCL767 : Well stated!!! The fares on inter-island travel in the Eastern Caribbean are just unacceptable; for example, POS-GND-POS cost more than FLL/MIA-KIN-F
173 AA1818 : Well fares will have to come down by 2010 since that is when the inter-island ferry linking POS to SVD and GND as well as BGI and possibly even SLU w
174 SCL767 : The fares will only come down when there is competition on the routes.
175 Speedbird2263 : I still believe the hub was a brilliant idea and if the idea of being a strong player in the South America - Europe market is to come to any fruition
176 AA1818 : I have to agree. MBJ offers a stronger hub for JM. KIN certainly can be grown, but I think JM should focus on MBJ. Larger numbers (tourists) to more
177 JM079 : The data posted is actually pretty impressive as it supports the position that these markets are large enough to support JM service to these respecti
178 AirJamaica : " Spirit of May Pen" had minor emergency when I was flying on it from EWR/MBJ/KIN back in 2002. Front landing gear stuck after rotation. Agree. Very
179 HummingBird : What is the distribution of Jamaicans living in the UK? I would love to see JM serve at least 2-3 UK cities..... I have not forgotten the reamaining
180 JM079 : Birmingham/Manchester and London are the catchment areas.
181 AirJamaica : As mentioned by JM079 these are the areas I am familiar with as well. When JM did MAN, I always wondered why they routed it MAN/KIN/MBJ. I would have
182 Caribbean484 : Hey guys I thought I would share this info with you, JM carried 97,532 pax to MIA for the year October 2007-October 2008 a loadfactor of 48.1% and a d
183 Trintocan : Interestingly both JM and BW served MAN at around the same time, from 2005 onwards. BW started MAN when it got the second A340, 9Y-JIL. Both airlines
184 JM017 : They did both routings. There were two flights per week. One flight ran MAN-KIN-MBJ and the second flight ran MAN-MBJ-KIN. The same with the return f
185 HummingBird : The Tuesday flight starts in KIN, but the crew were from MBJ..They would take the inbound LHR flight to KIN..Clean and cater, then depart for MAN...T
186 HummingBird : US carrier stats for May 2008.. AA JFK-MBJ 7635.....6374 83% MIA-KIN 13764.....10994 80% MIA-MBJ 16181....13043 80% RDU-MBJ 267...255 95% CO EWR-MBJ 9
187 AA1818 : Was this a one off? Also- I thought AA had DFW-MBJ flights? AA1818
188 SCL767 : Yes, AA has already commenced the DFW-MBJ-DFW 738 service.
189 Post contains links HummingBird : It was a chartered flight...I assume it was an incentive group...... News ...........................................................................
190 AirJamaica : OK. Thanks for clarification. I remember they had two flights but thought they both did MAN-KIN-MBJ. I guess they were trying to cater to both the VF
191 Post contains links HummingBird : No problem... It was a group charter....I believe it was one of those non-profit organisations. Lets hope AA informed these pax prior to them purchas
192 Post contains links JM079 : The upper house in the Parliament where Don Webhy sits was given an up date on the JM divestment. Despite, concerns being expressed elsewhere as to wh
193 JM079 : I would add that JM is a wordwide recognize brand that has won numerious awards as the leading carrier to the Caribbean, its enviable safety record a
194 Post contains links JM079 : Allen Chastanet, who is St Lucia tourism minister is adding his voice to the uncertain economic climate that is facing the region http://www.radiojama
195 HummingBird : In reference to AA...This explains will enlighten us a why they always have cheaper fares compared to JM....I hope this answers the question in regar
196 LimaMike : I think this revenue guarantee thing seems to be getting out of hand. At the rate this thing is going it seems as if pretty soon not a single aircraf
197 JM079 : Wow, that has always been my position that once you agree to it then others will be asking. It seems as if all foreign carriers who flies into Jamaic
198 AirJamaica : I still can't get over BA wanting revenue guarantee on LGW-KIN. I remember when JM initially started LHR with the A310 they had to stop there a coupl
199 JM079 : I seriously think that there is more to this than what they are saying. Because as you rightly said this is totally unblievable. Has the GOJ approach
200 Post contains links JM079 : Trinidad is quite worried its economy and has projected lower growth rate http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/13338/88/
201 A388 : Any point in the Caribbean can be a so-called strategic point between North America and South America. Jamaica isn't in any better or more advantageo
202 AirJamaica : I am not certain if the GOJ approached BA directly about restarting MBJ services. The last I heard was that Ed Bartlett was going to explore all poss
203 A388 : That's what I mean, Jamaica is not any different in terms of geographical location. It's not like the Caribbean is so big for overflying aircraft. SJ
204 Post contains links HummingBird : It is hitting the Bahamas... http://www.thenassauguardian.com/bixex/293123710957121.php http://www.thenassauguardian.com/national_local/2931237119312
205 AA1818 : CAL could be in for relatively higher prices, but so far I can assure you the prices have not fallen below what CAL is paying, nor is it likely that
206 Post contains links JM079 : http://hospitalityjamaica.com/spot1.html Jamaica will staged a mixed golf and cricket competition in 2009 and the expectation is that it will bring a
207 JM079 : Actually, Hummingbird they have attached there flight numbers on AA flights out of KIN/MBJ to MIA. Last year when my mother visited me for holidays I
208 HummingBird : This will be a tough decison for BA..I suspect there is an underlying motive why they have continued to serve Jamaica..Is it BA's intention to reques
209 AirJamaica : This event aligns nicely with Ed's plan for diversification in general and for increasing European arrivals. And on top of all this they do KIN three
210 Post contains links HummingBird : New Thread ........... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/general_aviation/post.main?4046
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