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User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

Hey gang, I need some help! Today, Sunday November 9, BA sent G-VIIB Boeing 777-236ER from LGW. This aircraft is configured in F14C56Y197 for the more commercial markets. Does anyone know what happened to either G-VIIO, G-VIIP, or G-VIIR? These 3 aircraft are configured C28Y355 and are regular visitors to TPA with us being a large leisure market. Thank you!


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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Presumably the regularly scheduled aircraft when tech or had scheduled maintenance...
i'm surprised that BA can fill up a daily 777 to Tampa to begin with... Are their loads good?

Also, your seat numbers sound odd-- do the high density 777s fit 383 passengers-that's very tight for a -200, especially given that they're now 9 abreast, not 10. Also you haven't accounted for the World Traveler Plus seats?


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Quoting AT (Reply 1):
i'm surprised that BA can fill up a daily 777 to Tampa to begin with... Are their loads good?

I just checked and it seems like the flight went out pretty full tonight. I don't know how the loads normally are though.

I've taken this flight once and it was completely full.

[Edited 2008-11-09 17:42:04]

User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

RE: Presumably the regularly scheduled aircraft when tech or had scheduled maintenance...
i'm surprised that BA can fill up a daily 777 to Tampa to begin with... Are their loads good?

The service operates 5 trips per week for the winter. Loads are supposed to be in the 90% range. Sorry on the seating configuration, my charts are a little out-dated.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7110 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 1):
i'm surprised that BA can fill up a daily 777 to Tampa to begin with... Are their loads good?

One word: Vacation.

I doubt it's a huge money maker regardless of the loads. Just like all the other major tourist markets in Florida for the most part.



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6826 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 1):
Also, your seat numbers sound odd-- do the high density 777s fit 383 passengers-that's very tight for a -200, especially given that they're now 9 abreast, not 10. Also you haven't accounted for the World Traveler Plus seats?

You're quite right, those are the configs from some years ago.



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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Quoting PieTpaFlSun (Thread starter):
This aircraft is configured in F14C56Y197 for the more commercial markets. Does anyone know what happened to either G-VIIO, G-VIIP, or G-VIIR? These 3 aircraft are configured C28Y355 and are regular visitors to TPA with us being a large leisure market. Thank you!

The 3-class LGW 777's are configured 48J/40W/216M
The 4-class LGW 777's are configured 14F/48J/40W then either 122M or 124M

I can't recall whether G-VIIB is an LGW 4-class 777 or an LHR 777 so don't know it's configuration.

Although TPA is a 3-class destination occasionally BA do send a 4-class 777, could be any reason why you got a 4-class aircraft, lack of 3-class 777 due mx, tech 3-class 777 etc

Quoting AT (Reply 1):
i'm surprised that BA can fill up a daily 777 to Tampa to begin with... Are their loads good?

It isn't daily, it is 5 times a week and loads are very strong.

[Edited 2008-11-10 01:14:46]

User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6778 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 6):
I can't recall whether G-VIIB is an LGW 4-class 777 or an LHR 777 so don't know it's configuration.

VIIB is a 4 class 'cos I've been on it twice in the last year out of LGW. It's still there.

VIIO has done one of the JFK runs from Gatwick in the last ten days, so I would also take a punt on that being a 4 class.



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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6737 times:



Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 7):
VIIB is a 4 class 'cos I've been on it twice in the last year out of LGW. It's still there.

VIIO has done one of the JFK runs from Gatwick in the last ten days, so I would also take a punt on that being a 4 class

I know it's a 4-class but is it an LGW based 4 class? I think it is?

G-VIIO is a 3-class 777 from memory, and a 3-class 777 did operate the LGW-JFK recently so muct be that one. Given the loads a 3-class is much more suited to the LGW-JFK anyway.


User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

A colleague of mine is on this flight on 26/11, he's not a plane buff and so asked me what he'd be going on, I took a punt on G-VIIR. Is there any way I can tell for certain?

User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3005 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
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I think the following are Gatwick machines:-

Al Ge engined and in one of two configs either 3 or 4 class cabins :
G-VIIA
G-VIIB
G-VIIE
G-VIIN
G-VIIO
G-VIIP
G-VIIR
G-VIIT

In addition the following RR engined machine has been here for a few weeks as well
G-YMML -What is this being used for JFK or Atlanta perhaps ?


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6625 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 10):
G-YMML -What is this being used for JFK or Atlanta perhaps ?

G-YMML is off to SIN this evening as BA15



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

The BA B777 fleet at LGW is reasonably stable. These aircraft rarely go to LHR. However since the crash of BA038 there is no spare aircraft at LGW. So any time there is a problem with a LGW B777, then a LHR based aircraft positions down to LGW to operate. This happens quite frequently, say 2 or 3 times a month. Before the crash, there was a spare B777 at LGW so this rarely happened.

User currently offlineBA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6403 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 10):
Al Ge engined and in one of two configs either 3 or 4 class cabins :
G-VIIA
G-VIIB
G-VIIE
G-VIIN
G-VIIO
G-VIIP
G-VIIR
G-VIIT

This list is correct at the current time. The 1st 4 a/c are 4 class, the last 4 are 3 class.

Quoting PieTpaFlSun (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what happened to either G-VIIO, G-VIIP, or G-VIIR?

IIR is currently at Cardiff for maintenance (and possibly NCW fit - I don't know)

The other 3 x 3 class a/c(IIO,IIP & IIT) were occupied on other 3 class routes and were deployed to MCO,ANU & KIN on the day.

In this situation Ops look at aggregate load(amongst other things) and allocate a 4 class a/c to the lowest one. On the day in question, it was TPA. Today, IIB is going to MCO and IIO is going to TPA, so one can assume that the situation is reversed in the load sense.

We have had MMA (RR 3 class)at LGW to operate services for a couple of days recently (arrived on 28th Oct & is now back at LHR) & I thought I saw MMJ (RR 4 class) on the ramp at LGW on the 2nd Nov, so there is obviously some 'filling in' from LHR at the moment.

Cheers
 Smile



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6246 times:

I saw VIIR at LHR on Saturday night - we parked alongside her arriving from HAM.


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User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

RE:IIR is currently at Cardiff for maintenance (and possibly NCW fit - I don't know)

The other 3 x 3 class a/c(IIO,IIP & IIT) were occupied on other 3 class routes and were deployed to MCO,ANU & KIN on the day.

In this situation Ops look at aggregate load(amongst other things) and allocate a 4 class a/c to the lowest one. On the day in question, it was TPA. Today, IIB is going to MCO and IIO is going to TPA, so one can assume that the situation is reversed in the load sense.

We have had MMA (RR 3 class)at LGW to operate services for a couple of days recently (arrived on 28th Oct & is now back at LHR) & I thought I saw MMJ (RR 4 class) on the ramp at LGW on the 2nd Nov, so there is obviously some 'filling in' from LHR at the moment.

Great Information!



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

An unexpected upgrade for a few lucky folks then.


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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

BA try not to use the F cabin on 4-class flights ex-LGW which are meant to be on a 3-class, if needs be.

But of course if there are more than 122/124 in M, then of course there will be invol upgrades M -> W, if W then becomes oversold, invol W -> J upgrades and if this means J becomes oversold then then F cabin will be used, but if the number of pax in M/W/J can be accommodated in those cabins even on a 3-class 777 then F is left empty.


User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

working the ticket counter, BA was next to us and they always had loooooooong lines before their ticket counter opened up.


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User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

With this not being a daily service, does the flight crew do the 50 hour layover in TPA during that off day or, are they shuttled to MCO to be utilized the next day? This just seems to be a very long layover but logistically they may have no choice. Speed bird rocks!


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

I always love pulling up to TPA in the afternoon for a flight back to LAX to see the BA bird parked right by the road. They've been running it for years, so I assume it performs for them.

The hotel guests at St. Pete Beach and surrounds have quite a lot of British accents, so there must be tour operators who trick people into coming to the area in December with promises of sun and surf. Of course, its usually cold and rainy…  Wink



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User currently offlineBA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2581 times:



Quoting PieTpaFlSun (Reply 19):
With this not being a daily service, does the flight crew do the 50 hour layover in TPA during that off day or, are they shuttled to MCO to be utilized the next day? This just seems to be a very long layover but logistically they may have no choice. Speed bird rocks!

It is a mixture throughout the year of 24 and 48 hr stopovers. So is the MCO nowadays. This may seem a little wasteful, but with the system of work allocation that we have (our own version of Bidline) it is not very credit efficient to be in TPA for 48hrs and the individual pilot will have to make up the work elsewhere in the month!

Also, BA has,in effect, 'spare' crew in TPA/MCO to fill in for sickness on those 'odd' occasions!

Cheers
 Smile



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