Speedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24324 times:
BA have revealed the cabin layout in LHR crew report center at terminal 5. 42 club world, 7 abreast (new for club world) 2-3-2. 51 world traveller plus 2-3-2 and rear cabin between 3 and 4 doors is 90 world traveller 2-4-2. 10 crew seats. Looks nice on the "Interior arrangement " diagram from Boeing.
Good news also is that our 77Ws will definately feature 9 abreast in economy and not 10 a la KLM/Air France!
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23610 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24262 times:
So significant boosts in CW and WT+ and a significant drop in compared to the 767-300ER WT for a total of 10 extra seats.
Speedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24199 times:
Its a larger Traveller Plus section than I was imagining. That along with 2 cabins of 21 club takes up two thirds of the aircraft. Gonna be nice to work on, can't wait!
Spyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24087 times:
That will certainly be quite nice, because I think we'll see most carriers go 3-3-3 in Y on the 787s.
Still wonder how this aircraft is going to be more passenger friendly considering when the economy layout is going to be the same as the 777s, but the fuselage is narrower. Oh well, at least the cabin pressure is going to be lower...making it more difficult to get to sleep.
Speedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24060 times:
Hi Richard.
the very centre seat in the 2-3-2 is rear facing cocooned by the two forward facing aisle seats. The window seats each side are aft facing with forward facing aisle seats attached.
Sebjacques92 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 23882 times:
Sounds like a nice aircraft, but we will have to see about the economy 2-4-2 section Sorry if i have missed this but when can we expect to see te 787 in the hands of BA? Possibly before the Olympics 2012?
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11361 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 23778 times:
Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6): Sounds like a nice aircraft, but we will have to see about the economy 2-4-2 section
I wouldn't be overly concerned; many carriers will have 9 abreast; 8 abreast will be very good and bear in mind that the 787 fuselage is wider than the A330/340, which is perfectly comfortable at 8 abreast.
B747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 967 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23639 times:
Thanks for the info!
This is brilliant news. It's great to know that the new 77Ws will remain 9 abreast.
I find it surprising that the 787 will be 8 abreast and not 9 in Y. I would have thought that because the 747 with 10 abreast gives the same seat-width as a 787 with 9 abreast, BA, with a huge 744 fleet would have opted for 9 abreast. It's great news though!
This may be a sign that more airlines than initially thought will be going for 8 abreast instead of 9.
The extra large W section may also be a sign of things to come. Maybe the 77Ws will also have a much larger W section. I hope they create new W seats though. The current ones are great because of the extra space, however, they aren't the most comfortable things in the world.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23635 times:
Yes, I'm surprised that it's not 3-2-3 in WT+ and 3-3-3 in WT, but I'm not complaining.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Speedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23634 times:
Quoting Cusaeng (Reply 10): wont a new club world seat need to be made for the 7 across section
Yes, the guy presenting said a new triple seat has to be designed but will be same design as current Club World.
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 9): I hope they create new W seats though
The guy said the 77W will be the first with all new seats in FIRST (he called it PRIME but I hope thats just a project name!). Also he said the 77W will be the first with all new W and Y seats. They will become the norm with all deliveries featuring new seats throughout. Existing fleet will be upgraded following.
May be of interest but he also mentioned problems with 787 cabin crew overhead crew rest at doors 4. He mentioned that BA are having problems fitting seats AND bunks upstairs as required by industrial agreements and featured on our other widebodies.....
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23634 times:
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23634 times:
Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 12): He mentioned that BA are having problems fitting seats AND bunks upstairs as required by industrial agreements and featured on our other widebodies.....
This is because the 787 is not as wide as the 747 and 777, and the crown space is smaller.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
B747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 967 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23636 times:
Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 12):
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 9):
I hope they create new W seats though
The guy said the 77W will be the first with all new seats in FIRST (he called it PRIME but I hope thats just a project name!). Also he said the 77W will be the first with all new W and Y seats. They will become the norm with all deliveries featuring new seats throughout. Existing fleet will be upgraded following.
Thanks. That's good to know.
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 14): 2-4-2 in Y, yes! I guess with the A380 having wider seats than the 744 (or at least the potential for more width) perhaps BA is majoring on comfort.
I guess one reason why BA decided to go 8 across on the 787 so that they could have a standard sized Y seat across the new fleet (380 / 77W / 787). If they went 9 abreast on the 787 it would be the same size as the 744 but inferior to the new aircraft joining the fleet.
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 14): Either that, or it saw the UK government report predicting record amounts of obesity and decided to act now
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12357 posts, RR: 83 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23633 times:
Quoting Sebjacques92 (Reply 7): Sounds like a nice aircraft, but we will have to see about the economy 2-4-2 section Sorry if i have missed this but when can we expect to see te 787 in the hands of BA? Possibly before the Olympics 2012?
Well they were due to arrive starting 2010.
Now? We'll be lucky if it's before 2013.
So to your question, unlikely.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23634 times:
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16): I guess one reason why BA decided to go 8 across on the 787 so that they could have a standard sized Y seat across the new fleet (380 / 77W / 787). If they went 9 abreast on the 787 it would be the same size as the 744 but inferior to the new aircraft joining the fleet.
Or you could just go 10Y in the 777 and 11Y in the A380 (downstairs), with all the premium classes upstairs. I'm sure someone will end up doing that.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 6316 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23258 times:
Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter): BA have revealed the cabin layout in LHR crew report center at terminal 5. 42 club world, 7 abreast (new for club world) 2-3-2. 51 world traveller plus 2-3-2 and rear cabin between 3 and 4 doors is 90 world traveller 2-4-2. 10 crew seats. Looks nice on the "Interior arrangement " diagram from Boeing.
2-3-2 in Club is strange but the general configuration sounds very decent. IS Club still with some rear facing seats ?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23241 times:
Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 19): Does that mean there will be no short haul 787s to replace the short haul 767s?
My guess is that many airlines will use the 787s first to replace long haul aircraft, and eventually, with the follow on orders, replace short haul aircraft.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Speedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23139 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20): IS Club still with some rear facing seats ?
Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6): the very centre seat in the 2-3-2 is rear facing cocooned by the two forward facing aisle seats. The window seats each side are aft facing with forward facing aisle seats attached.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23610 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23145 times:
Quoting Sebjacques92 (Reply 7): Sounds like a nice aircraft, but we will have to see about the economy 2-4-2 section.
In a 2+4+2 configuration, BA's 787 will have wider seat bottoms in World Traveler then any other model in their fleet pending the arrival of the A380-800 - which it will match assuming BA will use that plane in 3+4+3 on the main deck.
So we need a "wide" emoticon to show how comfy the 787 and A380 will be (and the A350 for those customers who go for 2+4+2 there, as well).
25 Kaitak: Yes, there are some rear facing seats; the window seats are generally rear facing and one of the middle seats will be, too. The 787 is 6" wider than
26 Ikramerica: That's kind of the right idea. One thing to remember is that just because an airline can put a wide seat in doesn't mean they will do so.
27 FrmrCAPCADET: Some of us would prefer better pitch to wider seats. 29 inches, I kind of die, 32 OK, 34-36 Aaah!
28 Speedmarque: The diagram shows 31" in Traveller, 36' in Traveller + and 73' Club.
29 Sebjacques92: Oh, i thought the fuselage was thinner but looking at the aircraft dimensions it looks fine I'm looking forward to them coming Seb
30 TristarSteve: There is no plan at present to replace shorthaul B767 with anything other than A321.
31 EddieDude: So in other words this means that the 787s will not be used on routes where demand for F-class exists. No BA 787s to JFK or SYD then.
32 SXDFC: I cant wait to see these new planes in the BA livery! Will these new a/c come with a new first class seat?
34 MAH4546: No First Class on the new 787s? Interesting.
35 Stitch: 787-8's. I expect at least some of the -9's will have a FIRST cabin.
36 Jfk777: Sounds like the seat maps for the 787-8 and 787-9 are going to be as confusing as the 777 in BA's current fleet. With 2 London hubs serving various ma
37 LH423: 36" in WTP? That's a reduction of 2" based on the current fleet. I guess that's how they're making a MUCH larger WTP cabin without killing the WT cab
38 Rheinwaldner: Very interesting. I see a strong emphasis on comfort. If scaled up linearly how many seats would/will the 789 have with such a configuration? How is t
39 Iwok: At the rate the 787 is going, BA should probably show the layout similar to a waiting room at T4 Seriously, this sounds like a very very nice and comf
40 TravellerPlus: Sounds interesting, but as the entry date is still many years away, I would not be surprised if it changed if the economic down turn is long lasting.
41 Astuteman: That's what "people said".... If it was ever there...... Rgds
42 Parapente: You may have seen the new advertising campaign. "Upgrade to BA". As many writers in this thread have noticed what BA are doing is creating a new level
43 Gorgos: How many seats would BA fit into an a380? 420?
44 Astuteman: Only at 8-abreast. 9-abreast is c. 17.7" IIRC Rgds
45 Speedmarque: This morning the stand in our report centre has had the 787 diagrams removed! Dont know if someone stole them or if they were placed in error and are
46 JerseyFlyer: BA has to establish a brand position that sits above lower cost competitors, e.g. the threat of Ryanair possibly entering the Transatlantic market. M
47 RedChili: It's not only the mind, it's also the possibility to put your legs at an angle. Instead of having your legs like this: II, you can put them like this
48 Frigatebird: Don't forget that the 4-class A380 in BA configuration will probably seat far less people than the 'average' A380. A little over 400 I expect roughly
49 Bongodog1964: Surely its better to try and tailor the configuration to the likely demand on each route ? The alternative is to either lose money by not having suff
50 B747-4U3: I've been thinking about the reduction of pitch in W and it seems to me like a good idea. I found that the 38" pitch in W has been more than enough.
53 Stitch: Well I projected 210 in four classes (I was one off on the three-class 787-8 config projection, though I expected more WT and less CW/WT+), so they s
54 AlanUK: I've been working on the design of the 787, following the release to staff of the information mentioned above. It should look something like this: Of
55 Ronerone: This is an ideal configuration for the AUH route, as BA claims to be doing much better in their premium cabins than in the back end. Regards, Roni
56 Speedmarque: Alan, Ah ha I know who you are now! i use your work at Cranebank! I snapped a photo of the layout so you can ammend your picture for us! 1 Aft facing
57 Speedmarque: oh and the centre club seats are aft facing with the aisles fwd facing either side last 3 rows of traveller are 2-3-2 due to fuselage narrowing. Cheer
58 AirNZ: But that would only work when specific aircraft are dedicated to a particular route.....which would then substantially reduce fleet efficiency as mea
59 Viscount724: The diagram shows the aisle seats in the center section facing rearwards and the middle seat facing forward. Isn't it the other way around?
60 Bongodog1964: Well it seems to work for the 772 fleet, where each sub fleet is generally used on a specific set of destinations.
61 FrmrCAPCADET: Oddly enough I am under 5' 8", but just really sensative to leg room. Your information tells me that this may be ideosyncratic on my part. A really b
62 Kaitak: I'm 5'10" and equally sensitive. Last March, I flew LGW-FUE with Thomson on a 738 and was dreading it; 4h on a charter 738 .... not nice! HOWEVER, in
63 AlanUK: Right, here is the corrected version: I've put the new design Club World seats also. This does not constitute an official seat map! It's only an idea
64 Speedmarque: that looks great Alan and a lot like it! Well done! I look forward to working on this aircraft with you!
65 Vasu: Is it just me, or do BA aircraft generally have VERY small Economy sections? (in comparison to other operators of the same aircraft type)
66 AlanUK: It's not just you Vasu! BA has particularly low passenger density per plane, and maybe that has something to do with its relatively strong financial
67 Viscount724: That's largely because LHR has traditionally been such a strong high-yield premium class market permitting BA to fill more F and J seats at high fare
68 RIX: - can we expect any airline to put 8 seats in a row in A350? I'm surprised (in a good way ) BA will have 8 in 787 (there were so many consideratons
69 Ikramerica: BA would rather let the very expansive holiday carrier business in the UK cater to the low yield back-packer and once a year vacationer on a budget t
70 Stitch: In a Premium Economy section, probably. However Airbus specifically touts the suitability of the A350XWB at 9-abreast compared to the A330/A340/787 s
71 RIX: In Premium Economy - definitely, otherwise the seats are more narrow than economy in 777. And, yes, Airbus is marketing 350 as "true 9-abreat", and th
72 Bongodog1964: The 3 class 772's have Club World in two small cabins, with the galley in the middle as on this layout.
73 RIX: 3 class - that is, without FIRST, right? Like this 787-8. Then, if 787-9 has FIRST, Club World may be in one big cabin again...
79 Speedmarque: The Boeing diagram shown by BA that I saw and started this thread had the aircraft listed as 787-836.
80 Zeke: I hate getting the middle J seat, I am sure I am not alone.
81 FlyCaledonian: I guess that the official designation by Boeing is 787-8, but when you add the two digit/letter (or combination of) customer code you get the traditio
82 Bongodog1964: In this configuration, it will need a load factor of 85% + to require enforced use of the middle seat
83 Kaneporta1: Even though I think the NGCW seat is very comfortable, I have to admit, I too would hate being in the middle. Laying flat, with the seat narrowing fr
84 Ikramerica: This is correct. Rather than call a plane the -X00, Boeing changed their numbering starting with the 787, and carried it to the 747-8 and 777-F. This
85 AlanUK: Mmm.. Whilst all this makes sense, I still find that saying "oh, and what plane did you fly on?" and answering by "seven eight seven eight" sounds od
Sponsor Message: 
From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, 
From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3739 posts, 
From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23610 posts, 
From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, 
Sorry if i have missed this but when can we expect to see te 787 in the hands of BA? Possibly before the Olympics 2012?
, 20630 posts, 
From Greece, joined May 2005, 697 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
