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New Delta International Destinations Thread  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23992 times:

Supposedly today (Wednesday, 13 November) we will be hearing some new on new Delta international destinations. Anybody know more?


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User currently offlinePeachair From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 23905 times:

Yes,

Expect destinations you would never think of, and some new non-stop markets that Delta has always been absent from.

I am told this will all be announced today as you predicted.

Exciting times !


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 23886 times:

First one looks to be ATL-DKR-NBO:

http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=53763

ATL-JNB will operate non-stop and the PR says Delta will have 12 cities in 10 African countries, so that leaves three more to be announced, a pair of which will be in one country.

[Edited 2008-11-12 04:00:45]


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User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23787 times:

Not necessarily two cities in one countrty as the article could be referring to South Africa where DL already serves CPT and JNB. I would expect some more routes operated over SAL in addition to the Monrovia service already announced.

User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23742 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
ATL-JNB will operate non-stop and the PR says Delta will have 12 cities in 10 African countries, so that leaves three more to be announced, a pair of which will be in one country.

Port Harcourt & Abuja?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23708 times:

Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 3):
Not necessarily two cities in one countrty as the article could be referring to South Africa where DL already serves CPT and JNB. I would expect some more routes operated over SAL in addition to the Monrovia service already announced.

Yes, but that would be 11 countries and 12 cities. If the article is correct, two cities will be in one country or a second city in a country they already serve.

[Edited 2008-11-12 04:25:54]


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23661 times:

The African announcements are only a portion of the planned expansion. There should be additional announcements with ATL/JFK-Europe plus a few other routes coming as well.


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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23635 times:

This will be interesting, to say the least - not since the heyday of Pan Am has a U.S. carrier spread its wings so broadly over Africa. DL is investing heavily there and I hope it pays off for them. DL's success in some of these new markets is reliant on an uptick in U.S. business investment in Africa - U.S. investment has been relatively flat in the region compared to China and E.U. countries....but this is beginning to change. It may be an uphill battle though given current economic conditions.

So far:

ATL - Johannesburg, R.S.A. (daily; to become nonstop)
ATL - Dakar, Senegal (to become 4-weekly)
ATL - Nairobi, Kenya (4-weekly via Dakar)
ATL - Lagos, Nigeria (daily)
ATL - Monrovia, Liberia (1-weekly, via Sal)

JFK - Accra, Ghana (4-weekly to daily depending on season)
JFK - Cairo, Egypt (4- weekly)
JFK - Dakar, Senegal (4-weekly)
JFK - Cape Town, R.S.A. (4-weekly via Dakar)

That gives us 8 cities in 7 countries (*excluding* Sal). If the article is correct and there are to be a total of 12 cities in 10 countries, my guesses for new service are:

ATL - Casablanca, Morocco
ATL - Freetown, Sierra Leone (via Sal)
ATL - Banjul, The Gambia (via Sal)
ATL - Port Harcourt, Nigeria (via Sal)

We shall see!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23591 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):
The African announcements are only a portion of the planned expansion. There should be additional announcements with ATL/JFK-Europe plus a few other routes coming as well.

All today, or within the next few weeks?



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23520 times:

JFK - Gothenburg has just been announced .... 757 of course, starting June 12.

[Edited 2008-11-12 05:00:08]


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User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23411 times:

Are any of the routes in this link "new"?

http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv.../destinations/new_routes/index.jsp


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23382 times:
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Quoting Airbuske (Reply 10):
Are any of the routes in this link "new"?

http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...x.jsp

No, these were all this year's.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11413 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23337 times:

Nairobi, Kenya and Gothenburg, Sweden.

I'm already impressed...


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23314 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 11):

No, these were all this year's.

I am slightly confused to as why an announcement on JFK-DKR-NBO would be considered a new one. Perhaps because now finally they might announce an official date on which they'll start flying the route?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
First one looks to be ATL-DKR-NBO:

http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=53763

Good find. Abit of googling reveals that DAL opened shop in Nairobi about 3 months ago.

http://www.eturbonews.com/4440/delta-airlines-opens-nairobi-office


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23266 times:

MAH4546, remember we had a discussion a while back on what a/c they would use on JFK-DKR-NBO and you disagreed with me on the 772LR claiming it wouldn't be lucrative enough?  

Edit - Flight will be operated using a 763ER.  ashamed 

[Edited 2008-11-12 05:33:51]

User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23077 times:

How many new routes do we expect will be announced today? Can any of our friends at DL tell us?

So far, we have:

ATL-JNB (current daily service, but will become nonstop)
ATL-DKR-NBO (4 days/wk)
ATL-MAO (daily)
ATL-FOR-REC (daily, swtiches directions)
JFK-GOT
JFK-EZE (5 days/wk)
PIT-CDG (5 days/ wk)
RDU-CDG (5 days/wk)
PHL-CDG (rumored)



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User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22942 times:

Wonder if we will see a service to BHX announced?

So far we only have CO operating EWR-BHX-EWR and US due to start PHL-BHX-PHL

ATL-BHX-ATL would be a good option..!! fingers crossed..!!



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User currently offlineOswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22704 times:

My fingers are crossed for LED but I am sure it is still way off in the future.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8278 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22676 times:
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Quoting Frostbite (Reply 7):
ATL - Johannesburg, R.S.A. (daily; to become nonstop)
ATL - Dakar, Senegal (to become 4-weekly)
ATL - Nairobi, Kenya (4-weekly via Dakar)
ATL - Lagos, Nigeria (daily)
ATL - Monrovia, Liberia (1-weekly, via Sal)

JFK - Accra, Ghana (4-weekly to daily depending on season)
JFK - Cairo, Egypt (4- weekly)
JFK - Dakar, Senegal (4-weekly)
JFK - Cape Town, R.S.A. (4-weekly via Dakar)

ATL to JNB by 77L would be great, could their be better uses for a 77L ?


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22414 times:

1) Yes, three more African destinations via SID.
2) Two more European cities from JFK.
3) Three routes from NRT (not including KIX).
4) One LAX route.

Other domestic changes (for example, connect Delta hubs to Northwest spokes and vice versa), but those are the exciting international ones.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22064 times:

JFK-ZRH daily eff Jun 9, 757-200

[Edited 2008-11-12 07:08:39]

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22028 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
ATL to JNB by 77L would be great, could their be better uses for a 77L ?

That's the million dollar question, even before the recession.

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 9):
JFK - Gothenburg has just been announced .... 757 of course, starting June 12.

I think this should do very well.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
First one looks to be ATL-DKR-NBO:

I figured it wouldn't make a come back but it's still going to be a very tough market. It's about the same distance as going over Europe, but much more risky since there's not much local market to/from DKR.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21947 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
I figured it wouldn't make a come back but it's still going to be a very tough market. It's about the same distance as going over Europe, but much more risky since there's not much local market to/from DKR.

I wonder how much the outcome of Nov 4th had to do with NBO being announced

NBO = Nairobi Barack Obama Intl Airport  Wink



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21908 times:

I suspect CVG will lose all their international except Paris. MEM-Paris must not be far behind if they are going to fly it from RDU/PIT.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21829 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
could their be better uses for a 77L ?

hopefully, ATL-HKG


25 B747forever : Wow, that is amazing. What will the schedule be like?? Is it the first time GOT get a connection to NYC??
26 Dispatchguy : For those posting new services, could you reference your post to a news release, or some other source, so we can all read them? thx
27 Post contains links LIPZ : German only http://www.travelinside.ch/travelinside/de/index.php?we_objectID=8465
28 RL757PVD : " target=_blank>http://www.travelinside.ch/travelins...=8465 JFK-ZRH starting Jun 9th on a 757. Im suprised we havent seen GVA or LIS yet.
29 Airbuske : LOL. That just made my day!
30 ConcordeBoy : ....who'd be surprised if that actually happened? Works out pretty well.
31 EmiratesUK : So is JNB going double daily? according to sabre they have the following flights loaded... 7DL 200 J9 D9 S9 I9 Y9 B9 M9 ATLJNB 2200 1905‡1 77L 0 H9
32 Panamair : No, they just haven't removed the one-stop flight yet. Should just be the daily nonstop 77L.
33 Cubsrule : Would UA ex-IAD and DL ex-JFK be too much service for GVA? Heck, I might ask the same question about TP and CO at LIS.
34 Airbuske : JKIA is named after our nations founding father, so I highly doubt that will ever happen. However, I see them naming the airport near Obama's hometow
35 RL757PVD : Delta.com shows two JNB flight as well. I would think they'd swap it up and do JFK-DKR-JNB and do ATL-DKR-CPT since ATL-JNB will be n/s and any exces
36 EmiratesUK : on the africa side - ATL-SID-ROB is now loaded.. 2DL212/10AUG« DL RESPONSE FLT INFO 212/10AUG-11AUG LOF ARR DEP ETA ON IN ETD OUT OFF ACF ELPD ACCUM
37 Panamair : " target=_blank>http://www.travelinside.ch/travelins...=8465 The article quotes 18 new routes over the Pacific and Atlantic. So based on info in this
38 CatIII : Since the original Nairobi announcement was in fall 2007, I'm guessing not at all.
39 Airbuske : I think they will announce ATL-AUH.
40 EmiratesUK : # 2 IS ATL-SID-ABV DL - already loaded in the system under flt # DL216
41 EmiratesUK : LAGOS from JFK has now been loaded - starts 9th June with a 767 this is in addition to the ATL service! 09JUN TUE JFK/EDT LOS/‡5 DL RESPONSE ** DIRE
42 Post contains links PRGDLGUY : http://www.airways.cz/zpravy/zprava.asp?id=1555 unfortunately only in Czech but says that DL will start JFK-PRG from Jun 19th 2009. Any comments?
43 Davescj : Why? I would think both the CDG and AMS routes would be kept, as they feed into massive skyteam hubs. Any chance that they could add something more e
44 OA412 : No suprise given that DL and OK now have ATI. Will this be on a 763 or a 757. I presume a 763 since I believe PRG is just outside the 757s serviceabl
45 FoxBravo : Sounds like it will be JFK-DKR-CPT and ATL-DKR-NBO, plus ATL-JNB. That way both JFK and ATL would have 1-stop access to CPT and NBO, and NYC will kee
46 EmiratesUK : JFK-PRG has now been loaded - starts 20th June 20JUN SAT JFK/EDT PRG/‡6 DL RESPONSE ** DIRECT CONNECT PARTICIPANT ** 7DL 208 J9 D9 S9 I9 Y9 B9 M9 H9
47 PRGDLGUY : according to DL it will be 763, 3 x per week.
48 2travel2know : Did CO get cought off-guard with this one? I would have expected CO to start GOT and keep DL away from the NYC-GOT market. JFK instead of ATL would b
49 Panamair : Schedules are all on delta.com as well now for the JFK flights: JFK-LOS: DL 20 JFK 1730 LOS 0915+ 763 DL 27 LOS 0940 JFK 1605 763 The return LOS-JFK
50 EMB170 : To update: (how many 77Ls does DL now have, or will have by the time service is planned?)
51 Aleksandar : Well, it means bad news for CSA, I guess.
52 OA412 : I would definitely have expected CO to announce this before DL.
53 EMB170 : Not really...remember DL and OK have ATI...(is this with AF also?) So they will split profits either carrier makes on the route 50/50 (or is it 33/33
54 Davescj : I think the new DL seats will bring some OK traffic to DL. I also think we'll more code shares ex-prg around eastern Europe. Dave
55 Panamair : Actually, the DL nonstops will complement the OK flights from JFK since OK doesn't operate the flight on a daily basis. If you look at the June sched
56 TDubJFK : I'm surprised at Gothenburg before some of the bigger Scandinavian cities, like JFK-ARN, JFK-CPH, JFK-OSL. I'm kind of losing track with all DL's ama
57 Cubsrule : It's a nice schedule; I don't know a whole lot about OK, but if they need the aircraft somewhere else, it's not inconceivable that they'd scale back
58 Acey559 : They have two right now and I'm not sure of the delivery schedule but I think they're supposed to get quite a few in 2009.
59 OA412 : No, they serve CPH and ARN from ATL only.
60 EMB170 : I'm guessing that this has more to do with DL's trying to stay out of NYC TATL markets that aren't that big and that already have some competition...
61 Cubsrule : There are plenty of examples of this. I discussed LIS and (potentially) GVA above, but there are others. WAW comes to mind.
62 STT757 : I would look for CO to go double daily during the peak Summer months to ARN, OSL, CPH.
63 OA412 : Don't they already go double daily to OSL?
64 EMB170 : Forgot to add, but now with US introducing PHL-OSL next summer, they may be even less inclined to try JFK-OSL, as well. Ditto on JFK-BHX.
65 TDubJFK : This makes it all the more surprising to me the DL wouldnt even be attempting any of these three out of JFK and do GOT instead. A curious choice, for
66 UnitedNRT : SLC-NRT has been added with 332 NW 09 Dep SLC 1450 Arr NRT 1740+1 NW 10 Dep NRT 1630 Arr SLC 1220
67 OA412 : Wow exciting news for us in SLC! By the way, anyone have any idea when DL will finally put out an official press release?[Edited 2008-11-12 09:31:49]
68 STT757 : Also keep in mind that CO will soon be in Star Alliance, there will be cooperation to some extent between CO and SK on their 5-6 daily flights from E
69 SESGDL : Wow, never thought I'd see that. I don't know about anyone else but this stuff is incredibly exciting. This is why I've always loved DELTA! Jeremy
70 Acey559 : I was thinking the same thing! I'm very excited! The only problem is getting the time off of work to nonrev to all these places! Great for DL to expa
71 Someone83 : No, SAS flew from GOT (don't think it was non-stop) to JFK back in the old days No. In the summer SK is daily from ARN and CPH. No. CO fly daily thro
72 BY188B : Also an exotic one annonced DL198 JFK-VLC (Valencia) in the system. Boeing 757 of course
73 Aviationwiz : Does anyone know if the ATL-JNB non-stop will be non-stop in just the one direction, or in both directions?
74 Post contains links MAH4546 : Complete list: http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/081112/154517.html New destinations are Abuja, Gothenberg, Ho Chi Minh City, Luanda, Malabo Nairobi, and Valenc
75 Post contains links FoxBravo : And here's the full press release: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11185 Other African destinations are LAD and SSG (both via SID
76 LAXintl : Also... NRT-JFK NRT-Hanoi Will also see Africa service to Malabo and Luanda via Sal Island. Some frequency upgrades will include JFK-TLV and ATL-NRT g
77 Post contains links OA412 : Here's the press release: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11185 SLC-NRT JFK-NRT 2nd daily ATL-NRT NRT-SGN ATL-DKR-NBO ATL-DKR-CPT
78 LAXintl : JFK-ZRH & PRG are seasonal.
79 BY188B : Also Bucharest back in the system for next year. I thought they had cut that route, but its on Delta.com
80 USPIT10L : Malabo is SSG.
81 OA412 : So I guess the rumor of a new flight from LAX is a no-go. It must have just been a seasonal reduction.[Edited 2008-11-12 10:15:19]
82 FoxBravo : It's loaded in the schedules as nonstop both directions, with a westbound flying time of 16 hrs 15 min.
83 TGIF : Great news! Swedish newspaper Göteborgsposten is reporting that this will be the first non-stop flight from GOT to the US in almost 30 years. About
84 Flyingcat : The flight will be to SGN in southern Vietnam not Hanoi in the north
85 Transpac787 : This is HUGE news to me!!! Wow. I guess the US-Vietnam bilateral was changed to allow two US carriers into the country. Anyhow, wow!!! Only further i
86 OOer : Looks like JFK-Capetown is now a thing of the past. It never did perform very well! Hopefully it does better in ATL!
87 Post contains links Spyderz : Got most of them - full press release at http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11185 Delta’s new international service beginning summ
88 Aviationwiz : Nice! Now hopefully their 772LR will be able to compete with the service SA provides, unlike the service currently provided on the 763 and 764.
89 EMB170 : haha yess!!! I predicted LAD and I was right! Gotta love the oil traffic!
90 Frostbite : WOW. To say that DL has been "aggressive" in its international expansion would be a gross understatement. While some of the routes added over the last
91 Humberside : I take it DL arent selling tickets to Sal? Any reason why not? Also do DL have traffic rights on Dakar-CPT/Nairobi
92 Jfk777 : I was looking from ATL to SYD nonstop or via LAX.
93 DiscoverCSG : Wow!!!!!! This is a dazzling expansion of flights by the new new DELTA. It's simply amazing what they're doing with all the equipment they have - the
94 Aviationwiz : I'm not sure about DKR-NBO, but DL does have passenger traffic rights from DKR-CPT-DKR for the existing DL128/DL129 service from/to JFK.
95 Post contains links United1 : * Trans-Pacific: Delta plans to add three new nonstop trans-Pacific flights between the United States and Tokyo-Narita, Japan, including new nonstop f
96 PVD757 : Can someone provide a list with operational days and flight schedules for ATL-SID. I'm not having any luck on delta.com.
97 DLBOIFIN : And still no news regarding HEL! I am bit disappointed that GOT came online before HEL. Will they ever open flight here?
98 Transpac787 : NW/DL is going to have to add a 757 or two to the NRT base. With the addition of NRT-TPE on 757 plus now NRT-SGN... a relatively long round trip for 7
99 Frostbite : I am a little surprised that DL has not "connected the dots" by linking ATL and Accra, Ghana. Wouldn't surprise me to see that happen sometime in 2009
100 Post contains links Deltadude : looks like DL is going to repaint a 747 in December to start another service from ATL to NRT http://www.ajc.com/services/content/...008/11/12/delta_ro
101 Post contains links Viscount724 : ROB was announced about 3 weeks ago and discussed in the following thread. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4186991/
102 Agill : Yay have a cousin in NYC. Brilliant.
103 2travel2know : A B757 won't work for ATL-LAD. It'd be like to try to cure Cancer with an aspirin. B.T.W., I think neither the Angolans nor Capeverdians will allow D
104 Cubsrule : The bilateral has always allowed 2 carriers (14 total flights). The hangup had been with the government of Vietnam regarding fifth freedom rights on
105 LipeGIG : Good to see some additional African flights on DL plans As mentioned, i'm not sure the 752 can fly this route non-stop. LAD demands cargo and a lot of
106 IliriBDL : I'm excited for all these new routes. DL becoming a global airline. Next I hope I hear that DL orders 40+ A380s.
107 Cubsrule : SID-LAD is about the same length as MSP-KEF or ATL-LIM... that should be no problem for the 752 (of course, whether the 763 is a better aircraft in t
108 Luckyone : It looks like it's going to stop in the new scissor hub of SID.
109 ATWZW170 : Ok I have a few questions.. Where did the SLC-NRT route come from? Is PDX losing it's flight? PDX is larger than SLC! And just how are all the 757's g
110 Commavia : Delta obviously feels they can get across the Atlantic from ATL to SID in both directions year-round. No. No 757s based in Africa. 757s from ATL will
111 LipeGIG : Thanks, so they will include a stop at SID. About the 763, lets DL have some experience on that market, but i expect results to be very good as LAD i
112 Abrelosojos : = And there is always BDA in case there is a need to divert. Saludos, A.
113 RL757PVD : does anyone know the reason why DL isnt offering SID as a destination like they do with DKR?
114 Steex : Interesting note with DL's press releases that they have stopped referring to AMS as a hub (rather than claiming the KLM JV/codeshare operation as an
115 Cubsrule : NW has some slack in the 330 fleet (IIRC they have spares that sit at both DTW and SEA); it's possible that they're able to add this route without af
116 HAJFlyer : Do not forget that SonAir (corporate aviaition department of Snangol) intends to put the 744s it acquired from Oasis Hong Kong to god use on routes t
117 United1 : I dont think the question is so much aircraft avalibility but more along the lines of where are the slots at NRT coming from for SGN, JFK, ATL #2 and
118 AlexInWa : So a DL 744 in Atl A DL 332 in SLC SWWWEEEETTTTTT!!!
119 FoxBravo : Maybe from SEA-LHR?
120 Davescj : I agree.....I also think it interesting that DL refered to itself “As America’s flag carrier to the world,..." That is a bold statement! But it l
121 USPIT10L : Actually, those would be NW 744s and 330s in ATL and SLC, respectively. Haven't heard when DL is planning to start repainting all NW planes yet.
122 Burnsie28 : I think the NRT-SLC flight is somewhat of a joke. But atleast finally NW is getting some more flying. The second daily to NRT from ATL... questionable
123 Cubsrule : I think we have a winner. I'm not sure why I overlooked that.
124 RL757PVD : right now there is more service on ATL-ICN than there is ATL-NRT, largely because of a lack of aircraft I think. The aircraft availability and NW hub
125 Luckyone : Um, DUH! You spent the better part of the last three days tearing Delta apart because you were afraid of the NW system being dismantled. Now that Del
126 The777Man : Very nice to see DL expanding to even more international destinations. I think we'll see some more new Intl routes for DL. From what I read a while ag
127 Davescj : There is supposed to be a 744 repainted to DL in Dec....search the forum, I know it has been discussed. This raises another question, for me, however
128 Josh32121 : The first 744 is to be repainted by December 2008. I suspect it (and another that will be painted in early '09) will be used on the ATL-NRT runs. The
129 Cubsrule : Because the 744s are exclusively for TPAC routes, I doubt we'll see any more 744 flying at ATL until a base opens there. Certainly, though, there are
130 MaverickM11 : I'm curious how LAD and SSG will work since 99% of the traffic goes to IAH, which already has a major charter program to LAD, and has several one sto
131 USPIT10L : I have read the thread, but I haven't seen a press release about it yet. I remember Anderson specifically stating in the merger press conference that
132 RL757PVD : the 777's for JFK-NRT have to come from somewhere too, I havent seen any times yet to see if its tied back into NRT-ATL or might there be another 777
133 SESGDL : With properly timed flights, absolutely. I bet that's exactly what DL will do. Jeremy
134 HAJFlyer : I find it hard to believe that anyone who has the option of flying IAH-LAD on the "houston express" service operated by world airways with MD 11 woul
135 Robbie86 : JFK-GOT was a really big "Wow!" from my side. I really thought we would see ATL-OSL. I'm honestly chocked!
136 Misbeehavin : 772 routes will be: ATL-NRT daily ATL-DXB daily ATL-TLV daily ATL-PVG daily JFK-NRT daily ATL-KWI 4 weekly ATL-ICN 4 weekly so yeah, scheduling and d
137 Burnsie28 : Still don't think he's ever going to take AF1 to there. NW has been waiting to do this route for a long time. So was I to make it a truly global airl
138 Jetlanta : Did you think that SLC-CDG was a joke also? NRT-ATL is one of the most profitable flights on the Delta network, BEFORE having the hub to connect beyo
139 Viscount724 : ATI doesn't automatically mean a joint venture and profit sharing. Depends on the agreement between the carriers. What is a 757-200ER? Boeing never b
140 MaverickM11 : A) NBO isn't working yet. B) Those grunts are flying WO right now. How is a two stop twice a week superior to three weekly nonstops?
141 RL757PVD : I was implying that JFK-TLV would be upgraded. I also wonder if the ICN flight will go away in favor of more NRT flying and the NRT hub? (KE codeshar
142 Cubsrule : I suspect the route has everything to do with the government of Vietnam (finally) caving and little or nothing to do with the merger.
143 USPIT10L : There is no JFKICN on DL, it's all codeshare flights with KE.
144 MaverickM11 : Say what? Why would NRTSEA go anywhere?
145 Jetlanta : Sorry, I meant LOS, not NBO. Here is how it works: Chartered aircraft: VERY expensive Scheduled service: Not nearly as expensive The people paying th
146 Burnsie28 : No, Europe and Asia are vastly different. I just think its somewhat a joke to connect to the RJ hub of the west to gain very few destinations that mo
147 AviationMaster : Seasonal DL B752 service to ZRH from JFK? They've tried this route in the past and it didn't last. DL is going to get absolutely slaughtered on the ZR
148 DeltaL1011man : that today? not yet sorry anyone eles feel the love? ok from may DL will have 8 77Es and 6 77Ls ATL-BOM ATL-NRT ATL-DXB ATL-TLV ATL-PVG ATL-ICN 4x we
149 Cubsrule : Nor NRTSEA... LHRSEA.
150 CityofAthens : People in IAH also make use of one-stop service via CDG and LHR to LAD (AF and BA both operate to both cities and much of the traffic is travelling s
151 RL757PVD : I was referring to ATL-ICN, that would free up some 777 time.
152 HAJFlyer : Why they want to enter an overserved market with an inferiour product (seasonal, narrow body) given the fact that business traffic between the two fi
153 MaverickM11 : It wouldn't surprise me if that went away, especially with the addition of NRTSGN which is one of the top, if not the top OD on ATLICN. That might be
154 DeltaL1011man : Well leason one, O/D is king 2) this is now Delta not NW, NW wanted JFK-NRT with a 787........now its a 777 with Delta, Expect oh i'd say ATL-LAX-SYD
155 Papatango : I think they will have 8 777LR's by may and 8 ER's
156 Flyer732 : And the service and cabin offered on the charter blows anything that Delta can offer on the 757 out of the water. 113 seats on the MD11 in an all Fir
157 Speedbird0125 : I'm curious about their new trans-pacific route plan. Are they going to focus on NRT as their Asian hub? or moved to ICN or expand codeshare with, the
158 Tommy767 : I would love to see DL take on CO at EWR with some TATL routes (wishful thinking) for some competition. Maybe take over the current AF EWR-CDG like th
159 USPIT10L : DL will continue to grow NRT as a primary trans-Asian/Pacific hub, and add codeshare destinations with KE from ICN to balance it.
160 RL757PVD : Whats your guess on where the 777ER is coming from? Only other thing would be if some of the new LR's take over an existing ER route.
161 DeltaL1011man : hey thats an idea my guess is ATL-DXB will become 77L the 77Es will come from that 4 new LRs 1 new route. its an idea Also looking at a route map for
162 RL757PVD : Does that work with the times? or would the free'd up 777 have to come from a "west route" ? I E leaves between 10 and 2pm, not 9pm like DXB.
163 DeltaL1011man : It should work out. Might have to shuffle some things around though.
164 Delta763 : But it does in this particular case. DL/NW/AF/KL/AZ/OK are all tied together in a transatlantic joint venture where carriers share profits. The way I
165 Viscount724 : If I read all the above correctly, it will also no longer be able to connect at DKR between JFK and JNB. I would have thought that New York and vicin
166 Jetlanta : The point being what? How much do you suppose World is charging for that service? Now, even if the Angolan national oil company or whoever is paying
167 FoxBravo : True, but having flown from NY to/from South Africa, personally I would prefer the ATL routing. I could leave from LGA, and then have a nice uninterr
168 NW : There is no joint venture between ALL these carriers. NW/KL/AF/DL all applied for a 4 way joint venture and the above mentioned carriers all applied
169 764flyer : Well when you're on a flight THAT long, what's another 2 hours anyway?? I took that flt from DEN-JFK-DKR-CPT back in June and I thought it would NEVE
170 Delta763 : After doing a little Googling I see that you're right and I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up.
171 DiscoverCSG : I'd prefer that they base such decisions on calculation, not feelings. It could be done with six: ATL-NRT-ATL-TLV-ATL takes three planes to run daily
172 RwSEA : Some interesting choices today, which leaves me with some questions: 1) Why no expansion at any NW hubs? 2) Where's the LAX and SEA expansion to Japan
173 DeltaL1011man : argee but read below I think this flight and the one above are to get the foot in the door and see what happens. Then upgrade if needed.
174 OA412 : This would be an absolutely suicidal move on DL's part. If they want to succeed in SYD, they have to fly the route daily otherwise it will be impossi
175 Airbazar : First of all. Great news Delta! It's good to finally see a US legacy go where the money is or at least look for new revenue markets. LIS is well prote
176 AviationMaster : Before upgrading JFK-ZRH, they'd need to make it a year-round service. If I'm correct, they tried JFK-ZRH a couple of years ago with a B763 and faile
177 LipeGIG : Very good point, but how SonAir will face DL competition considering that TAAG for example, has a lot of corporate with their own restrictions (do no
178 STT757 : It's not even year round.
179 Panamair : JFK-OTP did very well in the summer months but would fall apart in the fall/winter except during specific peak winter periods. That, combined with $1
180 COGlobeTrotter : Someone is going to need to fill the void on the route for Skyteam when CO changes to *A.
181 Cbphoto : Agreed, Where is the expansion from MSP and DTW??? Nothing? While this is all very exciting news and I am very happy to see DL expanding around the w
182 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : I think I have read through all of the posts and no one has corrected this topic: NRT-SGN will not have local traffic rights. NW wanted to start the r
183 Jfk777 : Surprised by the 757 expansion to Africa instead of JFK to Europe 757 flying. Also RDU/PIT to CDG is a real surprise too.
184 Runway23 : AMS is solid year round. MSP-LHR is a big question mark right now. The flight goes out rather full in WBC but empty in coach. It will be interesting
185 DeltaL1011man : Who said they are done? if they can't get it to work i'm betting it moves via HKG like UA had to do. ATL-HKG-SGN 77L
186 PlaneGuy27 : The US-Vietnam bilateral was updated slighty this year but did include the golden prize of carrying Tokyo -Saigon local passengers like all other Tok
187 Airbazar : Not at all. US-Europe is very competitive and about to get even more saturated as a result of Open Skies. Africa is a growing market. Everyone is inc
188 DeltaL1011man : plus Delta is grabing up all the rights. They have 14 out of the 21 flights into SA.
189 Flyingcat : Hate to correct you but NRT is a NW hub
190 NWA757300 : How long before we see DL fly around the world using the NRT hub? ATL-NRT-BOM-ATL or ATL/DTW/MSP-NRT-BOM-CDG/AMS-ATL/MSP/DTW I would think that the NR
191 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : I'm not doubting that it will work. Just commenting on the fact that the only thing that changed was the view of the route's viability from NW manage
192 WorldTraveler : This is a great day for Delta and proof that there are still opportunities for int'l growth in the airline industry despite the economic crisis that e
193 JohnClipper : They never will be...took them 17 years to start flying route authorities that they raped from PA in '91.
194 Cubsrule : They could also move it to another Japanese airport; IIRC Vietnam is willing to grant fifth freedom rights over KIX or NGO. I'm not convinced that on
195 MAH4546 : 10 out of 21. Plus, South Africa is very flexible with expanding air treaties quickly. They do it for other countries, they'll do it for the U.S. Cou
196 WorldTraveler : don't hold your breath. SAA is in no position to have two more US carriers in the US-SA market ; DL alone will put a world of hurt on SAA by offering
197 Phxtodcatomsp : Not so fast there WT. Just wait until DL loads all of the "interport" aircraft downgauges....you'll see that the beyond NRT points will play less of
198 DeltaL1011man : When did Delta give the other four back? I know they got them and almost did DKR-CPT daily but changed there minds. I didn't see anything aobut them
199 WorldTraveler : I have said all along that DL won't be flying 744s within Asia, esp. beyond NGO and KIX... doing so makes no sense. That doesn't diminish the value o
200 Hjulicher : . Congrats to SLC, it must be very exciting for you to get new service to ASIA when everyone doubted it. Well I guess the DTW-PVG will be operated by
201 DeltaL1011man : Want to fill us in? I know they have a few LA routes on the table but no talk about new MSP flights Also they aren't really talking to much about whe
202 LAXintl : The ASA between US-Vietnam states the following: Airlines designated by the United States in accordance with Paragraph A-1 may not serve points in Fr
203 DeltaL1011man : The 744 will the 2nd daily flight DL will have one 77E(opped by Delta) and one 744 (opped by NWA) NW still have some flex in the 744 fleet though. I
204 Viscount724 : Do you happen to have a link for ASAs involving the US. I've never succeeded in finding them but they must be accessible somewhere. I've found them i
205 NWA757300 : Looks like a lot of 757s going over the pond next year. I wonder how many will be NW birds and how many will be DL birds.
206 LAXintl : Sorry, I'm not sure where they are located online, I have a file containining all the individual agreements. Funny some date back the 1950-60s and th
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