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Mokuele E-170 Arrives HNL  
User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10393 times:

Mokuele's first E-170 arrived HNL at 1 am this morning. The first of four aircraft from Shuttle America (Republic). Service starts on the 19th.


Grew up in the business and continued the family tradition.
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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10374 times:

Yes and due to lack of aux tanks they took the long scenic way around.

Check it out.
IND-GTF-ANC
http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF9400
ANC-ADK-MDW-HNL
http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF9401



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Given the difficulty in getting the aircraft back and forth from the mainland, are they having someone in Hawaii perform m/x? It seems a bit more difficult than ferrying the 767 to HKG...


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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

Wow -- thats some wild routing! Is this a common one for routing smaller planes like this between mainland and Hawaii ? Or was this in lieu of installing a fuel tank in the cabin?
Just curious


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10146 times:
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The aircraft is parked at gate 50 and is N868RW.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
ANC-ADK-MDW-HNL

Should be MDY, not MDW.

Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 3):
Wow -- thats some wild routing! Is this a common one for routing smaller planes like this between mainland and Hawaii ? Or was this in lieu of installing a fuel tank in the cabin?

Most small aircraft ferries install ferry tanks to fly non-stop from the West Coast, even GA aircraft. This routing means that they don't have ferry tanks.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10113 times:



Quoting Ha763 (Reply 4):
This routing means that they don't have ferry tanks.

 checkmark But why? Are there not any ferry tanks certified for the 170?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

cost and time were a major factor. Why spend all that money and time to outifit the plane for 1 4 hour leg when they could reach Hawaii without the tanks from Alaska

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9979 times:



Quoting Drewwright (Reply 6):
Why spend all that money and time to outifit the plane for 1 4 hour leg when they could reach Hawaii without the tanks from Alaska

Something's weird, though. All the HA 712s used ferry tanks. AFAIK, the YV aircraft used ferry tanks. What's different for S5?



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User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

My guess is that the 717 and CRJ didnt have the range to fly with out the tanks even from Alaska. The 170 has a 2700 mile range empty.

DRW


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

I have used this routing to get a Lear 36 to HNL before from California during the Pineapple Express head winds coming up in a few months.

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9889 times:



Quoting Drewwright (Reply 8):
My guess is that the 717 and CRJ didnt have the range to fly with out the tanks even from Alaska. The 170 has a 2700 mile range empty.

ADK-HNL is only 300 miles shorter than SAN-HNL (which is, incidentally, only 2614 miles). SAN-ITO is only 2500 miles. The lack of alternates between the two may have been a concern.



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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9879 times:

You mean ZERO alternatives right????

BP1



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9850 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 11):
You mean ZERO alternatives right????

 Confused "Lack of" usually means "zero."



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineN6168E From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

It looks like ship # 2 is on it's way. 1/2 way from IND to GTF right now.

http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF9400


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9753 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Yes and due to lack of aux tanks they took the long scenic way around.




Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineF16arm From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9717 times:

I believe #2 is 869RW


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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9667 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
ADK-HNL is only 300 miles shorter than SAN-HNL (which is, incidentally, only 2614 miles).

I thought the closest mainland airport to HNL was SFO. Am I wrong?



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2503 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9626 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
ADK-HNL is only 300 miles shorter than SAN-HNL (which is, incidentally, only 2614 miles). SAN-ITO is only 2500 miles. The lack of alternates between the two may have been a concern.

Right, but ADK-HNL will also yield more favorable winds than SAN-ITO which is 2,172nm. Embraer's website claims the E170 has a 2,100nm range; ADK-HNL logs in at 2,029nm according to GR8CM.


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User currently offlineN6168E From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9579 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
ADK-HNL is only 300 miles shorter than SAN-HNL

But they are stopping in MDY which makes the longest over water leg 1421NM

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
I thought the closest mainland airport to HNL was SFO. Am I wrong?

To my knowledge, that is correct
TO HNL, SFO is 2081NM, SAN is 2266NM and LAX is 2216NM


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9539 times:

Dont forget the fact that California-Hawaii crossings are into headwinds. So any NM ground distance is increased when NAM are calculated.


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9254 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
But why? Are there not any ferry tanks certified for the 170?

It most likely means that Republic doesn't have ferry tanks.


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9213 times:

The costs and time associated with getting ferry tanks fit and approved was prohibitive. We recieved word that this deal was done about three weeks ago.

You should see the route they take when we pick them up from the factory in Brazil.



DMI
User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

If im not mistaken, all flight ops at MDY are conducted at night due to heavy bird activity at and near the airport during daylight hours.

User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

Photo courtesy of HNL Rarebirds blog:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ew7MBihR4E...KhKV-Vs/s1600-h/n868rw-12nov08.jpg



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User currently offlineHaYnFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9087 times:

Saw a picture of their "new" aircraft sitting at the gate today and noticed that the tail livery has the logo for the Kapalua Land Company (website here: http://www.kapalua.com/). Why would that be? Is Mokulele selling their tails for advertising $$ or does the Kapalua Land Company have an equity stake? Come to find out that it appears their entire fleet sports the Kapalua logo.

Kapalua is a community on the Island of Maui and while it has an airport (JHM), jets cannot land there.



In an unrelated question: Who can land at Midway? That isn't an airfield that normally supports commercial (even ferry) air traffic is it? I know it is an alternate landing field in cases of emergency (a CO heavy landed there several years ago) but I didn't think it would have been an option in non-emergency situations.



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25 Post contains links Cubsrule : Do you know if anyone has done it? The Virgin Blue aircraft did not use ferry tanks.
26 Pilotpip : No idea. However the 717s out there come back to the mainland every once in a while for mx. I'm sure the 170s will need to as well but not enough to j
27 Egcarter : Kapalua Airport is one of Mokulele's destinations.
28 Post contains links Ha763 : It's a 2 year agreement between Mokulele and ML&P to promote ML&P's Kapalua properties and activities. ML&P has the option to buy shares in Mokulele.
29 Etops1 : don't know if this has been answered but are these planes being flown by republic crews?
30 N6168E : Right... If (when) they come back to the mainland, they will most likeky take the direct route as they will have tailwinds
31 Tjwgrr : Found this: PMDY: ARPT CTC 0800-1700 (808) 674-1237. EMERGENCY PAGER 24 HRS (480) 768-2500 ID 881631492770. SCHEDULED ACFT OPNS PERMITTED ONLY DURG H
32 Bkircher : That looks coool!!! Thats quite the long trip for a small airport like the 170.
33 RW170 : Yes, the airplanes are being operated by Shuttle America crews.
34 Etops1 : Yes, the airplanes are being operated by Shuttle America crews. thank you.
35 EMBQA : I don't think the Ejets are equipped to accept a ferry tank... Aircraft need to be designed that one can be installed....and I don't know how you cou
36 Woodsboy : Kapalua is not just a "community" or a land company, it is a destination resort. Not like the big crazy Marriott Vacation Clubs or Disney-like resorts
37 Post contains links and images LAXintl : They had their first flight. http://www.starbulletin.com/business...s_makes_its_jet_service_debut.html Wish them luck.
38 TDubJFK : Ugly livery. Looks very Japanese.
39 Aloha717200 : Best of luck to them. I actually have always felt that the E170 was the perfect jet for interisland ops, and I'd hoped that AQ would have tried to ac
40 Lightsaber : Congradulations to Mokulele! There has been so much discussion on this thread on the delivery routing, we should be discussing route economics. Thank
41 Gigneil : You are correct. I'm not sure that's true... I think they can install the tubing through the floor into the pressurized hold, and access the fuel lin
42 EMBQA : As someone that has taken a Ejet apart.. its not designed to use a ferry tank.
43 Pilotpip : Just thought about this a little more. Probably a little hard to put in ferry tanks without a center tank to gravity feed into like the 717s have (17
44 EMBQA : Nope.... E170s have center fuel tanks....Its where the boost pimps are. Called the Stub Wing, there is just no way to tap into them.[Edited 2008-12-0
45 Pilotpip : Hmm, Never mentioned in the books. They're always referred to as left and right. Then again I just flew them. Embraer can take the cake for having the
46 Aloha73G : I know of atleast 5 extremely senior Aloha F/As (35-45 year veterans) who are customer service agents/supervisors. Mokulele is certainly NOT lacking
47 JetMARC : What the hell is that supposed to mean? How is that Japanese? Dude, not cool.
48 Bluewave 707 : I think the MW livery looks pretty neat. Much success to them!
49 Aloha717200 : Maybe it reminds him of JAL. I could see that possibility.
50 Pilotpip : Good to hear. I understand they were recruiting F/As in HNL before the deal went through. Hopefully there will be more. I also understand there's ZER
51 JBo : Small airport?
52 F9Animal : I actually disagree with that. I think it looks crisp, and exotic actually. I also think that the "japanese look" is neat. The 170 is indeed an inter
53 Jetjeanes : go is hireing some former employees of aloha, some counter and f/a,s if things go well the next few months leased 717,s are not out of the question fo
54 T prop : For who, go? lol. And who will be flying these 717's for go?
55 Pohakuloa : i was just thinking the same thing....
56 HNL-Jack : Where did you get the information on the 717's? Very unlikely given Mesa's financial condition, but if you've got a credible source...perhaps you can
57 Pilotpip : Mesa won't be able to fly 717s because it will violate their scope clauses with everybody else they fly for.
58 Cubsrule : Not if the 717s were in the old YX configuration...
59 Aloha73G : Mesa would only do that if they wanted to lose even MORE money than they are losing now. Plus....who needs "space" and "luxury" on a 100 mile 20 minu
60 Cubsrule : I didn't say it was a good idea... but there are 717s that YX could operate out there.
61 Aloha73G : go! is STILL having trouble filling up 4 50 seat CRJ's. The LAST thing they need is a larger aircraft. Especially since Mokulele is establishing itse
62 Hiloboy1 : Aloha73G, where are you getting your load factor numbers? Most of the Go! flight are overbooked, but like the HA flights during the middle of the day
63 Aloha73G : from the news/press releases... April: 67.8% (HA: 88.0%) June: 68.65% (HA: 85.0%) August: 70.6% (HA: 83.8%) October: 70.75% (HA: 83.3%) FYI....go!/Me
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