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Alaska Launches PDX-LGB  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Eff Feb 8,2009

PDX-LGB 0705-0925
PDX-LGB 1400-1620

LGB-PDX 1005-1235
LGB-PDX 1705-1935


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5395 times:

Why does this not surprise me?

Further, does this mean that SEA-LGB is being dropped/reduced?


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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Wow, LGB is going to have quite a bit of capacity on this route. B6 already does 2 flights a day as well. Wondering if Alaska is trying to launch a bit of an attack here since B6 expanded LGB on the west coast (serving SFO, OAK, SMF, SJC, PDX, SEA just on the coast alone).  scratchchin 

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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

Flight times are nearly identical for AS's and B6's schedules on this route.

Hmmm.

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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5293 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
Wondering if Alaska is trying to launch a bit of an attack here since B6 expanded LGB on the west coast

This is clearly the case. But no one here will admit it. And from what I see we will not be reducing any of the SEA-LGB service.


User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

I would not be surprised of Horizon does the flying with Q400's.


LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

I'm glad to see Alaska is adding flights out of Portland. Lately it's only been reductions of Alaska and Horizon taking over more and more. However, a route like PDX-ORD with connection opportunities on both ends would seem like more of a money maker then PDX-LGB.

I wouldn't be surprised if this route is canceled or given to Horizon eventually.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

What is the 737 variant that will fly this route?

User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5165 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 7):
What is the 737 variant that will fly this route?

It looks like a 737-700. They love flying the -700 in/out of Portland.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5065 times:
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Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
Wondering if Alaska is trying to launch a bit of an attack here since B6 expanded LGB on the west coast

So what if it is? You wanna make somethin' of it?  box 



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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1910 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Just curious - I thought LGB is slot-controlled, and where will AS find these additional slots to fly into LGB from PDX, without canceling some of its SEA flights?

I tried to find the aircraft variant on the expertflyer website, but I assume the schedule is not fully loaded.

Carfield


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

We (United) work the below wing for B6 here at PDX. I work the morning LGB every day. The flight never has more then 40 bags. This route can't support two airlines on it. I think AS will win this battle.

User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4949 times:



Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 11):
The flight never has more then 40 bags. This route can't support two airlines on it. I think AS will win this battle.

Just because there are 40 bags doesn't mean the flight is not full or close to full. We now use an A320 on our LGB-SJC route and there can be 150 people on board but only 60 bags. Since the LGB-PDX route is still new, you can't expect the flights to always be full. It takes some time to mature city pairings. Also both airlines can win on this route as they have done on the LGB-SEA route.



LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4888 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
So what if it is? You wanna make somethin' of it?

Just making an observation...  fight 

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4817 times:
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Could it be possible that AS was able to secure additional slots from airlines that have since discontinued LGB service?

User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4812 times:



Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 11):
We (United) work the below wing for B6 here at PDX. I work the morning LGB every day. The flight never has more then 40 bags. This route can't support two airlines on it. I think AS will win this battle.

The flight has been doing pretty decently since the launch. I think the major factor behind the low bag count has more to do with the fact that it's a short flight that people may take for business travel or for a weekend trip - thereby requiring less checked luggage.

Quoting Icebird757 (Reply 12):
Also both airlines can win on this route as they have done on the LGB-SEA route.

I agree. JetBlue has done well on LGB-SEA.

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User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4765 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
Could it be possible that AS was able to secure additional slots from airlines that have since discontinued LGB service?

That is not possible since the only slots given back to the airport were commuter slots. All 41 commercial slots are taken. I believe there are about 19 commuter slots available now.



LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4738 times:



Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 6):
I wouldn't be surprised if this route is canceled or given to Horizon eventually.

This has harmonization (with QX) written all over it.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

If I'm not mistaken we have had 5 slots all along. Please correct me if I'm wrong. With 2 daily PDX and 3 SEA, thats our slot allocation.

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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

I'm guessing they'll pick up some commuter slots because SEA is still showing 3 flights and wonder if they might make the necessary adjustments to the SEA sched and give a couple of those to Horizon. I believe their CR7 do fall into commuter slot allocation here because of their weight, correct?

User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4582 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
If I'm not mistaken we have had 5 slots all along. Please correct me if I'm wrong. With 2 daily PDX and 3 SEA, thats our slot allocation.

ASSFO

I believe AS received this additional slots after AA pulled out of LGB.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4441 times:
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Well, it's good to see AS growing some of their routes.

User currently offlineSFO777200LR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

[quote=Ramprat74,reply=11]Ramprat74 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1095 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted Wed Nov 12 2008 13:45:52 your local time (7 hours 29 minutes 44 secs ago) and read 608 times:


We (United) work the below wing for B6 here at PDX.

Really? Do you drive the B6 and UA reposition tugs in the mornings?


User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4149 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
Could it be possible that AS was able to secure additional slots from airlines that have since discontinued LGB service?

There actually is an interesting possibility here. B6 is currently using 30 of the 41 slots. AS has 3 and US has 4 (the one they gave back was a commuter slot). So who has the remaining four? Cargo. Fedex has one, UPS has two, and ABX has 1. So maybe that ABX slot is going to AS? And then maybe they'll have to cut one SEA? Not sure here.

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 19):
I believe their CR7 do fall into commuter slot allocation here because of their weight, correct?

Well, Bombardier says the standard CR7 has a MGTOW of 72,750 pounds, just below the commuter slot limit of 75,000 lbs. The CR7 ER is right at 75,000 pounds but the LR is over. Anyone know if the metric they use is, in fact, MGTOW?


User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3589 times:



Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 20):
I believe AS received this additional slots after AA pulled out of LGB.

Yes that is how AS got to 5 slots to begin with.

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 23):
There actually is an interesting possibility here. B6 is currently using 30 of the 41 slots. AS has 3 and US has 4 (the one they gave back was a commuter slot). So who has the remaining four? Cargo. Fedex has one, UPS has two, and ABX has 1. So maybe that ABX slot is going to AS? And then maybe they'll have to cut one SEA? Not sure here.

Actually 2 of the 30 slot we operate belong to AS. I am assuming that those will be returned to AS for the PDX flights which will bring us down to 28 slots. You could be right about ABX. I have heard rumors that they might pull out of LGB by years end.



LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
25 AirframeAS : I think AS is trying to guard its secondary home turf, which is in PDX. I think this is in defense rather than an offense.
26 Post contains links FATFlyer : The LGB ordinance definition is: http://municipalcodes.lexisnexis.com...hapter_16_43_AIRPORT_NOISE_CO.html
27 Ramprat74 : The mechanics tow the LGB flight from D15 to E3 every morning.
28 Wedgetail737 : Is this new service loaded in the res systems yet? I couldn't get it to pull up on Alaskaair.com
29 BayAreaBlue : It is loaded into our Non-rev listing system.
30 EA CO AS : If it's there, it's in SABRE already.
31 Wedgetail737 : Their PDX-LGB flights still don't show up in Alaskaair.com or in Expedia.
32 FATFlyer : They are already showing in Travelocity.
33 EA CO AS : It's loaded in native SABRE, which AS res agents can access. Alaskaair.com uses ITA, not SABRE - so it must be an ITA issue.
34 Wedgetail737 : I see. Well, I'm sure it will show up sometime. I also noticed that their hasn't been any press releases about it...or am I not digging enough.
35 Post contains links LAXintl : Seems like you are not - http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081112/aqw521.html?.v=33
36 Wedgetail737 : Thanks for the link. It's interesting to see that AS is restoring a redeye between ANC-ORD for the summer. Will that flight be one of the only redeye
37 EA CO AS : That's because the redeyes weren't covering their economic fuel costs, whereas daytime transcons that are better suited to higher-yield travelers wil
38 Wedgetail737 : This is kind of off the overall subject, but pertinent to the localized subject. Why are all of the Hawaii RT's from SEA morning flights (returns in
39 PDXFlyBoy : The ETOPS plane is used during the day on the west coast prior to it's LIH mission. The heat/weather, runway length, MTOW and aircraft type make a ev
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