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New Delta International Destinations Thread - Pt 2  
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 20962 times:

This thread is a continuation of the first installement of this topic, which may be found here:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4210187

Delta announced a number of new international destinations, additinal routes as well as reinforced frequencies. The full press release may be found here:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11185

An overview of the new services is as follows:


Trans-Pacific

New York-JFK to Tokyo-Narita, Japan(1)
June 4, 2009
Boeing 777-200ER
daily

Salt Lake City to Tokyo-Narita, Japan(1,3)
June 3, 2009
Airbus 330-200
five times weekly

Atlanta to Tokyo Narita, Japan(1,3) (second frequency)
May 4, 2009
Boeing 747-400
daily

Tokyo-Narita, Japan to Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam(1,3)
June 1, 2009
Boeing 757-200
daily


Africa

Atlanta to Johannesburg, South Africa(1,2)
June 1, 2009
Boeing 777-200LR
daily

Atlanta to Nairobi, Kenya(1,5)
June 2, 2009
Boeing 767-300ER
four times weekly

Atlanta to Monrovia, Liberia(1,4)
June 8, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
once weekly

Atlanta to Abuja, Nigeria(1,4)
June 10, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
twice weekly

Atlanta to Luanda, Angola(1,4)
June 14, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
twice weekly

Atlanta to Malabo, Equatorial Guinea(1,4)
June 16, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
once weekly

Atlanta to Cape Town, South Africa(1,5)
June 1, 2009
Boeing 767-300ER
three times weekly

New York-JFK to Lagos, Nigeria(1)
June 9, 2009
Boeing 767-300ER
five times weekly


Europe/Middle East

New York-JFK to Gothenberg, Sweden
June 11, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
four times weekly

New York-JFK to Prague, Czech Republic(1)
June 18, 2009
Boeing 767-300
three times weekly

New York-JFK to Valencia, Spain(1)
June 5, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
four times weekly

New York-JFK to Zurich, Switzerland
June 8, 2009
Boeing 757-200ER
daily
(seasonal)

New York-JFK to Tel Aviv(1) (second frequency)
June 30, 2009
Boeing 767-300ER
four times weekly


1. Subject to government approval; Delta today applied with the U.S. Department of transportation seeking authority for the proposed new services on the New York-Tokyo, Atlanta-Luanda and Atlanta-Malabo routes; Delta’s wholly owned subsidiary, Northwest Airlines, Inc. applied for DOT authority to serve Tokyo-Ho Chi Minh City.
2. Replaces flight between Atlanta and Johannesburg via Dakar.
3. Flight operated under Northwest Airlines operating certificate.
4. Flight stops in Sal Island, Cape Verde.
5. Flight stops in Dakar, Senegal; Atlanta-Cape Town service replaces flight from New York-JFK to Cape Town.

164 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 20894 times:

Some questions re: Delta and Africa

Most of the U.S. Cape Verdean population lives in the northeast (Rhode Island and Massachusetts). Would it not make sense to run at least a couple of weekly flights from JFK to Sal, instead of having them ALL originate in Atlanta?

Also, I notice many of the upcoming Africa routes will run with very low frequencies -- once, twice, or three times weekly. Is it not very difficult to make money with such a light schedule?

But not for nothing: Delta remains the ONLY U.S. network carrier to serve Africa, and the first (excluding TW/AA at Cairo) since Pan Am almost 20 years ago! This is a point of pride they should publicize this more.

Bummer though, most of this through ATL. I was hoping a few of the new Africa routes would be via JFK, so I'd have the chance to fly them. Looks like even Dakar/Cape Town, my favorite trip of all, will be shifting to Atlanta.

I have some cool pics from DKR/CPT on line, if anyone wants to see them...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/globetrodden/sets/



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 20868 times:

Finally.....JFK-NRT. And Vietnam...wow!


Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20730 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 1):
Most of the U.S. Cape Verdean population lives in the northeast (Rhode Island and Massachusetts). Would it not make sense to run at least a couple of weekly flights from JFK to Sal, instead of having them ALL originate in Atlanta?

Unless I misread or something has changed since the Monrovia announcement, SAL is just a tech stop, not passengers getting on/off unlike DKR.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20669 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 1):
Most of the U.S. Cape Verdean population lives in the northeast (Rhode Island and Massachusetts). Would it not make sense to run at least a couple of weekly flights from JFK to Sal, instead of having them ALL originate in Atlanta?

= You know, I was thinking exactly the same. Since the bloody aircraft is stopping in SID anyways, why not make it a mini-hub and have one flight from JFK routed through it? Also, perhaps DL colleagues can correct me ... but I was told by someone at DL that they will have a crew layovers at SID and crews will be allocated to do SID-African point-SID, and then back with rest to the U.S.

Good job DL. Now looking for a particular route from South Eastern U.S. to CDG and the other that will compete with the 5th freedom route  Wink.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20666 times:

I just realized that DL will be losing 9 total seats a day to JNB with the upgrade of equipment to a 77L from the 764 - but it is really nice to see the 43 lie flat business elite seats in the front - especially for a tall non-rev if one will ever be open when I go to see my in-laws!!

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20650 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 4):
Good job DL. Now looking for a particular route from South Eastern U.S. to CDG and the other that will compete with the 5th freedom route

I agree
FLL-CDG MSY-CDG and MEM-CDG would be GREAT adds to the network
Not sure MEM would be able to make both AMS and CDG work though



yep.
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20550 times:

So the way I see it, Delta is "getting their feet wet" in many African markets. Hopefully, these routes will prove to be profitable, and maybe we will first see frequency increases and then capacity upgauges. And if all works well in the future, maybe we will be seeing ATL-SSG or ATL-LAD, etc. on 787's?

Anyone have any idea on the LAX route to be announced? I saw LAX-LHR was on the map in the previous thread. That it? Anywhere else? Is there another route DOWN on the table that is currently UNDER cover?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20500 times:

LaxIntl, which version of the US-Vietnam ASA is that excerpt in the other thread from?


I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20489 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
Anyone have any idea on the LAX route to be announced? I saw LAX-LHR was on the map in the previous thread. That it? Anywhere else? Is there another route DOWN on the table that is currently UNDER cover?

I said that
It looked like LAX-LHR
Anyone who can get into DLnet just look at the PR about the new routes and click on europe. You will see what I'm talking about. Though I guess it might be LAX-CDG but it looks like the line goes to LHR.



yep.
User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20413 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
Anyone who can get into DLnet just look at the PR about the new routes and click on europe. You will see what I'm talking about. Though I guess it might be LAX-CDG but it looks like the line goes to LHR.

Its CDG


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17825 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20379 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 1):
Most of the U.S. Cape Verdean population lives in the northeast (Rhode Island and Massachusetts). Would it not make sense to run at least a couple of weekly flights from JFK to Sal,

There's relatively little traffic to SID regardless; it mostly goes to RAI

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 4):
that they will have a crew layovers at SID and crews will be allocated to do SID-African point-SID

That wouldn't surprise me seeing as SID is a much more stable place to overnight an American crew than ROB/ABV/LAD/SSG



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20352 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
There's relatively little traffic to SID regardless; it mostly goes to RAI

= Agreed. Moreover, traffic to RAI is generally ex-BOS/PVD. I was just thinking that since these birds have to stop, why not add a link from the North East? Besides, it opens up connection opportunities from JFK to ROB/ABV/LAD/SSG ... though, I know that there is very little traffic on those routes.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):

That wouldn't surprise me seeing as SID is a much more stable place to overnight an American crew than ROB/ABV/LAD/SSG

= I think the American crews would love the parties the oil boys throw at SSG. It is a wild wild place  Smile.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20298 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
That wouldn't surprise me seeing as SID is a much more stable place to overnight an American crew than ROB/ABV/LAD/SSG

I strongly suspect this was a deciding factor.

As to MSY -- CDG, would there be enough premium traffic to support the route?

Currently, there is one stop on skyteam via ATL, JFK, LAX, CVG. Why more?

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20275 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
That wouldn't surprise me seeing as SID is a much more stable place to overnight an American crew than ROB/ABV/LAD/SSG

I can only speak for LAD and ABV, both cities in which BA currently overnights their crew, along with crew of several other European carriers.

Neither destination requires armed escorts from airport to hotel which is sadly the case for LOS.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20167 times:

I was talking to a John Deere pilot last week and he said that they flew their Gulfstream from MLI to ABV and that it was one of the coolest places he's ever been to with the company. He said that he had no concerns at all and that he wished he had more than a 16 hour turnaround there. The way he talked it seemed like a pretty safe place overall, but like anywhere in the world, I'm sure there are sketchy parts to avoid.

User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1561 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20162 times:

Quoting Viscount724 - reply 204, part 1:

Do you happen to have a link for ASAs involving the US. I've never succeeded in finding them but they must be accessible somewhere.

Sir, try this link sir. I hope you'll find it helpful:

http://www.state.gov/e/eeb/tra/c661.htm



With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20139 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
I said that
It looked like LAX-LHR
Anyone who can get into DLnet just look at the PR about the new routes and click on europe. You will see what I'm talking about. Though I guess it might be LAX-CDG but it looks like the line goes to LHR.

well, I don't think LAX-CDG makes much sense, given AF's massive presence on that route... otoh, AF just discontinued LAX-LHR and rebooked all pax via CDG - so it doesn't make too much sense to revive that route served by DL now...?



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20068 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 17):
well, I don't think LAX-CDG makes much sense, given AF's massive presence on that route...

Don't forget the joint venture that AF/DL enjoy across the Atlantic. From their point of view, it does not matter which of the two operates the flight as they share the profits/losses equally. If this is true, perhaps the intention is for DL to replace one of AFs flights with their own metal.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20053 times:

There was some talk last year about FLL-CDG but it died down.

Maybe it will happen this year?

However, FLL-CDG makes most sense to launch in the winter.



a.
User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20029 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 18):
Don't forget the joint venture that AF/DL enjoy across the Atlantic. From their point of view, it does not matter which of the two operates the flight as they share the profits/losses equally. If this is true, perhaps the intention is for DL to replace one of AFs flights with their own metal.

I'm well aware of that fact.... but especially then this move wouldn't make much sense, imho. AF now sends 777s with First Class to LAX on all of their flights. DL otoh wouldn't have First, and the market obviously supports it - so why take it away. Besides, DL doesn't have a lot of planes having the legs for that route... just a few 777s and the newly acquired 332s and 744s (don't know exactly if the 763 could make it, but that plane is so inferior to AFs equipment from a pax point of view in all cabins that I doubt it would work on such a prestigious route). So why waste two of the rare 777s/332s DL has to change the operating carrier from AF to DL, when AF has over 50 of them? As much sense as it makes on the East coast to replace flights from AF equipment to DL 757s (AF doesn't have longhaul equipment of that size) - on the west coast such a move would be stupid, imho.



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19955 times:

hmmm

all ATL, JFK, SLC-NRT even (!!!) but nothing on DTW?

I'm not upset, but I am starting to wonder whether DTW may get anything in terms of new international destinations out of the merger. Given all these additions while CDG and KIX get suspended out of DTW, I can only help to ask. Maybe it's too early to tell?

I have heard rumors of KIX returning with a DL 772 and DTW-FCO moving up from CVG. However, given that I heard from a site that is not even a.net, I must question the veracity (truthfulness) of such a rumor.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19760 times:

Anyone with more info regarding DL additional frequencies to TLV?

What is the planned schedule?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19741 times:

Where do these new (??) NRT slots come from?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19358 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
= Agreed. Moreover, traffic to RAI is generally ex-BOS/PVD. I was just thinking that since these birds have to stop, why not add a link from the North East? Besides, it opens up connection opportunities from JFK to ROB/ABV/LAD/SSG ... though, I know that there is very little traffic on those routes.

I agree with you. It's not by coincidence that the only city with non-stop flights to SID is BOS however, DL may have found that there's very little yield potential for that market over other destinations from JFK where they are already very restricted. On the other thread someone had questioned where DL would find space for all these 757's at JFK.


25 FUN2FLY : I was wondering the same thing. Hunch: 2nd MSP>NRT (4x weekly?) flight is not coming back, move that plane to ATL>NRT and move the LHR>SEA 330 to SLC
26 Frostbite : I am curious how DL managed to secure two weekly frequencies into Luanda. Frequencies are extremely restricted there, most of the European flag carrie
27 Yellowtail : I jsut bought a ticket BZE-MIA-LHR-NBO via AA....next june....shucks!
28 Jetlanta : The announcements aren't over yet. But keep in mind that the local economic condition in Detroit and the near term threat for further deterioration o
29 WorldTraveler : Africa has been one of the brightest spots in DL's expansion and the fact that they blanket the continent is evidence they will develop the goldmine t
30 Josh32121 : Perhaps the slots from the cargo-only operations if the rumor of dropping those ops. is true.
31 CityofAthens : That's an interesting point - I take it US crew only spend the minimum time possible downroute? I feel that's a shame, as a big part of the job is to
32 PVD757 : Taking the PVD/BOS-ATL-SID routing isn't terribly out of the way. I just want to make sure that PVD has access to both SID and ROB since the PVD mark
33 Greenwichsud : Does the joint venture (specifically revenue sharing) with AF apply to all flights between US and EMEA, or only US to Europe?
34 Abrelosojos : = Remember, that for everything you get ... you give up something. Think TAAG and market access ... = Yup. As I said, there is at least one unannounc
35 Panamair : The new flights will operate 4x weekly (so DL will have a total of 11x weekly between JFK and TLV, in addition to daily ATL-TLV) and will depart JFK
36 Hjulicher : This is not something DL planned to lauch, but rather already announced when NW was in existence. Merger or Not, DTW-PVG would have been launched so
37 Frostbite : This makes perfect sense, no doubt...but is there any evidence that such access is actually being granted on the U.S. side (FAA & Dept. of Transporta
38 SQ25J : Apologize for not reading all the posts, but if not already mentioned ATL-SID does allow local traffic. I love DL+Africa....so of course I am delighte
39 WorldTraveler : not sure if it should be called missionary zeal but rather just an awareness that there are more countries in the world than the top 25 that form the
40 Burnsie28 : It would be better to fly from Miami where the runways are longer, though AA already flies that route and they have a hub in MIA. The 2nd flight is o
41 Burnsie28 : I forgot to add, its interesting that Delta is increasing flying from DTW-SLC starting in January to prepare for the SLC-NRT flight... whats the point
42 Jetlanta : The point is that connecting hubs together serves to increase schedule opportunities and therefore sales opportunities for hundreds of O&D markets. T
43 PVD757 : That is good news for the many potential passenger from the BOS/PVD area.
44 RL757PVD : Thats not what I heard, and delta.com doesnt even recogline SID, are you 100% positive?
45 UPPERDECKFAN : What a srprise JFK-VLC is for me, and not being seasonal is even more surprising!!! First scheduled non stop service ever from VLC to the US, I wish t
46 DeltaL1011man : DL has to find 19 weekly slots, I have a feeling the NRT-PEK/PVG flights are going to get moved or DL has found some NRT slots If the gov. gives the
47 WorldTraveler : The merger is not about "ours" and "yours" but about the totaliy of Delta Air Lines, of which NW is a subsidiary. NW and DL both served alot of trans
48 PRAirbus : Wow! KUDOS to Delta, they are really flying around the globe...too bad AA is just watching.
49 PRAirbus : Too bad AA will not be growing or expanding like Delta. Most likely the AA TATL 757s will substitute 763's; basically downgrading. It is a shame becau
50 Fun2fly : It will be interesting to see how 4 and 5 times weekly service to some markets (save Africa) will work for DL. It hasn't been a commonplace occurance
51 SQ25J : Quoting SQ25J (Reply 38): Apologize for not reading all the posts, but if not already mentioned ATL-SID does allow local traffic. Thats not what I hea
52 Evan767 : Yeah I agree, 16 hours crammed against the window of a 757 doesn't sound very appealing to me either. However, I could definitely see this route bein
53 Frostbite : I would think DL would sell (a few) seats to SID if the authority exists to do so, as they will be flying there 5 days a week. Unless they are puttin
54 WorldTraveler : not sure if that is the plan for this year but longer term it makes sense. DL will have 2 flights/day to PEK and 3 to PVG; it isn't a stretch to thin
55 KGAIflyer : Be careful with the word "most." There are concentrations of Verdianos in SW Mass, RI, and Northern NJ. A cohort lives here in the Washington DC subu
56 DeltaL1011man : Those would be the first two routes i would say they would move. They will have to do something. I think this will be it. My guess they move them bot
57 Centrair : Does DL or NW have any unused slots or slots they subleased? Wasn't the DL JFK-NRT route and landing/departing slot subleased to FX? or was it the ot
58 Panamair : You'd be surprised how well DL actually does in Spain (as well as most Mediterranean markets), even in the off-season. Not only are there 4 daily fli
59 Goldorak : CDG is not suspended from DTW. It's a reduction of frequency for the winter season : the AF flight is still operating and will become daily (5 weekly
60 Davescj : AA is the A300s as fast as possible. According to the boeing website, AA has ordered 36 737s. I couldn't find anything for AA as having received anyt
61 Flynavy : Although briefly mentioned in thread number 1, this one didn't make it into thread number 2... New York-JFK to Bucharest, Romania (OTP) is scheduled t
62 Flynavy : Incorrect. We have eight 777-200LRs on order (six for 2009, two for 2010). Additionally, we will not take 10 737-700s this year. N301DQ, N302DQ, N303
63 AirNZ : I'd certainly have to disagree with you on that! How do you possibly come to the conclusion that the EU is a 'largely immigrant shaped region of the
64 EXAAUADL : FLL and MSY would have awful yields
65 MAH4546 : FLL would be no worse than RDU or PIT. It's a large market. If Delta had the only non-stop on FLL-Europe, they'd do fine.
66 Flynavy : For the record, Thomsonfly already flies FLL-OSL-ARN. Granted, it's comparing apples to oranges, but still... I wouldn't be surprised to see us launc
67 MAH4546 : Also TUIFly flies FLL-CPH and Finnair flies FLL-HEL; they are all only 1x weekly, and only Finnair is for sale to the general public. It's funny that
68 Flynavy : As I recall, Air France was studying CDG-MCO. Not sure what came of that, but now with the joint venture I wouldn't rule it out.
69 Rwy04LGA : What's the difference of being crammed against the window of a 757 for 16 hours or of a 767? Welcome back, FlyNavy, your insight was missed! No inter
70 Flynavy : The reports of my demise were greatly exaggerated. He's a size queen! I suppose some folks just like the open feeling of widebodies (no pun intended)
71 Rwy04LGA : Are there any minor Scandinavian capitals?
72 ChrisNH : The news from Delta Air Lines yesterday re-affirms my declaration that they will not be the first airline to serve Asia from Boston. I still maintain
73 Post contains links and images Flynavy : I think we'll see the return of AMS-BDL before any international expansion at BOS. The AMS-BDL flight is still on this graphic (which includes flight
74 ChrisNH : It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Hartford get the Amsterdam flight back. I sense great reluctance from Delta to expand in Boston. No one ca
75 EIBoston : Any truth in DL starting BOS-SNN next summer?
76 Airbazar : Dude, you're like 30-100 years behind on current affairs. The US does not show up anywhere near the top of the list with highest per capita immigrati
77 Davescj : While I am dismayed that Boeings site was wrong, I am glad to see more 777s....they are a comfortable plane to ride long haul in. Dave
78 MSYtristar : Speaking in terms of MSY, it hasn't been a really low yield market since before Katrina. There's a better traffic mix now.
79 WPIAeroGuy : What about NW's E gates? Are they going to be sold off to more international carriers? I assume if DL is keeping BOS-AMS then they would need at leas
80 Panamair : Thanks for the map...several interesting points: 1) ARN has two routes leading to it - whereas only one is currently operating - ATL-ARN; hard to see
81 ChrisNH : Personally, I think it's silly of DL to enter an existing transatlantic market dominated by an incumbent like Aer Lingus. It didn't work for DL with L
82 Davescj : I will say, I was surprised. And I can't see DL being able to bee Aer Lingus' prices. But, then again, maybe DL is going to get some contracts to sup
83 Flynavy : That is correct. JFK-LHR on AF metal (777 to be exact). The line does lead to JFK (I have a higher resolution version). Not sure if another service t
84 TUNisia : AA never served Cairo. TWA flew to CAI for about 50 years years when AA axed the route after the takeover, despite it being extremely profitable (alo
85 Burnsie28 : Take a look at this.. right from what DL told the press. You are really one to talk. And DTW-MSP.. you mean the all ONE late night E175, of which was
86 Flynavy : Are you actually comparing BDL-AMS to Delta's joint venture, hub-to-hub operations between the U.S. and Paris?
87 Burnsie28 : Whats the difference between what NW did and what DL was doing? Obviously there is a market there or NW wouldn't be flying those routes. One could ar
88 Flynavy : I asked a buddy of mine who works in scheduling. Apparently the line drawn between JFK and ARN on the map above was entered in error. There are no pla
89 Acey559 : Not to get off topic, but is DL ending CAI service or is it just seasonal? I was trying to look at flights there in DeltaNet last night and it was onl
90 Panamair : JFK-CAI only operates 4x weekly during the winter: Tues/Wed/Fri/Sun. Perhaps you were checking on the 'off' days....
91 ZRH : This new JFK-ZRH flight with a 757 is really strange. There is much competiiton on this route with wide-bodies: 2 dailiy LX 332 (343, soon 333) to JFK
92 Acey559 : Got it, thanks for the help.
93 WorldTraveler : true and good response. My point is that the US airlines since Pan Am have never paid attention to the secondary and tertiary markets that are source
94 TravelGuy : In my considered opinion Delta will be quite able to make the route work well with their feed presence in BOS being fairly good combined with a seaso
95 Airbazar : That would require a tow between terminals which DL has shown over the years that they have little interest in doing it. But Aer Lingus is a low fare
96 ChrisNH : So a Shannon flight would be able to operate into the nice DL terminal in Boston but a Dublin flight would not? I say this under the assumption that p
97 Cubsrule : The walk from A to E actually isn't that bad. I could see DL running international departures out of E-- unless Massport won't let them.
98 EIBoston : Yes of today that is correct. A new agreement between the US officials and Shannon allows for this.
99 Cubsrule : Aren't there plans to do the same at DUB? Well said. No one can deny that DL brings a lot to the table than NW could not-- NW wasn't going to go out
100 Buck3y3nut : Sorry didn't really read all the posts. Any plans of DL adding destinations in India??? I know they currently fly non-stop to BOM from ATL. But any th
101 AmricanShamrok : I don't think BOS-DUB would work for DL as EI already have 2 daily flights on it at competitive-enough prices. Yes but it will be built in Terminal 2
102 WorldTraveler : BOS-Ireland as well as other parts of Europe are within range of a 737-NG. It will be interesting to see what AA and DL do at BOS w/ int'l flights. Th
103 EamusCatuli : Is the feed into BOS enough to support a mass Int'l expansion from there?
104 Post contains links Cubsrule : Not much beyond Ireland... perhaps Britain, but likely not anywhere on the mainland. Here's the approximate range of a 73G ex-BOS.
105 PlanesNTrains : I think for the NW employees, this is generally good news. The old saying, rising tides lift all boats. Of course, there's that other saying. The bigg
106 TravelGuy : EI is not really that "low fare" of a carrier though when compared to standard t/a fares offered by competing airlines, especially with limited advan
107 DeltaL1011man : You have no idea what your talking about. The FF base in SF would help alot but MIA/FLL has something called O/D (look up if needed). MEM has very li
108 MAH4546 : Delta's 763s are probably in a better configuration for the route than anything AF has, as AF's higher density configured aircraft are far too large
109 Frostbite : Any DL insiders know the schedules for the ATL-Africa flights coming up in June? Nothing shown yet on Delta.com
110 TN757Flyer : Would DL try MCO-Europe again? They've done it in the past without success, and it's my understanding most flights from Europe to Orlando are fairly
111 MAH4546 : Indeed. Four European airlines serve Orlando, and all of them adjust their product to the market. Aer Lingus: No business class. The C cabin has Y se
112 SCL767 : Plus BA's LGW 772 service withClub World/WTP/WT And even though it isn't part of Europe, Icelandair still flies MCO-KEF-MCO, for the many Icelandic c
113 Aacun : I think its great to see an airline with such an ambitious growth plan take on such a vast amount of new routes in such a short period of time...... K
114 TN757Flyer : Yes, I'm well aware. I meant that if AF started a MCO-CDG flight, DL would not open the route also, thus the "beat them to it" phrase.
115 Jetlanta : Yeah, I see that they put that in there. I think it is safe to say that Corporate Communications sometimes uses the simple explanation rather than co
116 Umfolozi : Concrats to Delta for now having Africa "covered"! And the B77L to JNB.....great! I knew it would only be a matter of time. Any idea what other Afric
117 Flynavy : Did you even make an effort to read the first post, considering it is the one that outlines, in detail, the recent international expansion? As for In
118 MAH4546 : Icelandair ended MCO a few years ago. Icelandair flies to SFB, and it caters to British tourists, not Icelandic college student. That whole flight is
119 Davescj : I think Durban South Africa is a possibility eventually.....possibly a code share to Maritus via AF. Dave
120 Rwy04LGA : Even 15 hours to BOM on DL in coach was very nice. The return in BE was better! Coincidentally, the only one I've flown into...on a Pan Am DC-8 in 19
121 TN757Flyer : Well, let's certainly hope DL doesn't wind up like BN did. Braniff's demise was largely a result of too much expansion too soon after deregulation. I
122 Jetlanta : Keep in mind that Delta's "growth" is hardly true growth, but rather reallocation of assets and capacity. In nearly every case they are moving equipm
123 Jfk777 : Delta is moving airplanes it didn't have, 77L's, to routes it can cover NONSTOP from One -stop with less capable airplanes. And starting routes(again
124 WorldTraveler : however as the 77Ls arrive, growth becomes true cost flying. 2009 is the final year of the 764 domestic conversions to int'l so there are 7 aircraft w
125 Jfk777 : With ATL nonstop to Mumbai and Johhanesbourg with 77L's I expect the next 8 77L's to go Pacific. DL's Middle East flights to Kuwait and Dubai from AT
126 STT757 : CO is acquiring the four remaining ATA 757-300s, Boeing has them stored currently in Victorvile.
127 WorldTraveler : the point is that the 757 is no longer produced so every airline that is adding 757 int'l flying is either acquiring them used or converting them fro
128 DeltaL1011man : Note Atlanta is "The Worlds Largest Hub" Don't forget the Delta 787s coming.........at some point in time
129 SCL767 : I did not know that, thanks for the correction.
130 Shamrock604 : EI now has entered into a codesharing relationship with UA covering all EI TATL flights and those between Ireland and London. This will be expanded t
131 AF022 : Does DL face ETops diversions or restrictions JFK-LOS or ATL-LOS? I know luggage demands are extremely to LOS. Can DL run with a full load? The times
132 Cubsrule : JFK-LOS is well within the range of a 763ER and just barely outside ETOPS120 (they have 180).
133 WorldTraveler : ATLLOS in the winter exceeds 13 hrs... the 763 can do it with some restrictions. winglets will probably remove the passenger restrictions.
134 SNCntry32 : I am very delighted to hear about international growth for the premier global airline, however, what about MSP, DTW, MEM and IND for that matter.
135 Kennyone : Some time ago DL tried the ATL-NCE route I believe. They didn't have enough customers to maintain that route for sure. Any possibilities to have other
136 Af773atmsp : My bets for- MSP: non-stop to FRA (w/ 763) and change CDG service to year-round (w/ 763) DTW: PVG (w/ 787) and resume KIX (w/ 787) MEM: non-stop to C
137 Haggis79 : why, of all cities, FRA? Skyteam connections are extremely limited there.... is there so much demand for MSP-FRA o/d? well, two things - the 744 is q
138 Af773atmsp : MSP provides connections to many cities in the upper Midwest. I think MSP-FRA could have enough demand for a three times weekly to daily flight with
139 Flynavy : I keep hearing this brought up. Why do folks think that, for every route the new Delta announces, they must out of some kind of fairness doctrine, ad
140 SNCntry32 : It isnt that, it would just be exciting to heat MSP CDG year around, either NW or DL. Something more then AMS, LHR and NRT would be nice, but I under
141 SNCntry32 : And I hear there are things in store for MSP, DTW and MEM. All we hear about is DL right now, and thier hubs, what about NW? What is instore for MSP,
142 DeltaL1011man : DTW (like Chris said) will likely be on hold...........If you want more flights....pull for the Buyout.
143 Davescj : I agree. DL has shown themselves capable of growth. Also, as deregulation is long since done, DL knows the reality of the market. It isn't like when
144 Panamair : DL pads its JFK departure block times significantly, particularly during the peak evening hours. For example, JFK-NCE, is blocked at 8:45 during the
145 Davescj : It also keeps DL's on time % up....which is reasonable.... I would MUCH rather them factor the ground time in than not. It ensures you'll get to wher
146 Nwa757300 : I seriously doubt MEM would get CDG in addition to the current AMS. If MSP can't support a year round CDG flight, how can MEM? I too would love to se
147 Papatango : Does anyone have any thoughts/guess if Delta will announce any new int'l service at the DL/AS press conference on MON.
148 Cubsrule : In some ways, MEM-CDG would take Memphis from one TATL flights to three; DL has already announced MEM-JFK. JFK serves a similar role in the network a
149 Post contains links Panamair : It should. According to http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081114/delta_alaska_air_group.html?.v=3. "...On Monday, Delta will announce enhancements to those agr
150 DeltaL1011man : All I will say is keep this thread open for tomorrow........(no need for a new one)
151 TN757Flyer : There's an interesting interview with Lester Robinson, CEO of Wayne County Airport Authority in the Nov/Dec issue of "Airports of the World" about DT
152 FoxBravo : SEA-SYD?
153 SNCntry32 : Yes, then what about MSP and MEM?? Northwest got DL for a good price
154 TravelGuy : Very interesting note at the end of the Yahoo Finance article raising some analyst's belief that DL at some point in the mid term will seek to strengt
155 CALMSP : are there any proposed flight times posted????
156 TN757Flyer : Does BA still hold authority for this route? I know they had it at one time - late 80's or early 90's. Obviously it never started and I assume the au
157 DeltaL1011man : I don't think it matters anymore........US and OZ have an Open-sky deal
158 TN757Flyer : Yes, but BA is neither an US or Australian carrier. My question is do they have the rights to do an LHR-SEA-SYD routing that they once had? I would t
159 DeltaL1011man : Ok so here is a thought. By my math DL will be close over the number of slots that they have. With NW adding SLC,SGN,KIX and ATL and DL adding JFK I b
160 ChrisNH : With Delta now poised to reduce or eliminate the 787s that Northwest ordered, I think this all but guarantees that they have no interest in being the
161 MasseyBrown : Equally? Joint ventures are rarely that simple. You get out of them in proportion to what you put in. If on balance one partner has a bigger investme
162 ChrisNH : It's my view that Delta is setting themselves up for a failure with so much focus on premiere traffic from long-haul international routes. The world i
163 Sxf24 : At this point, DL's percentage of international traffic is consistent with AA, CO and UA. Prior to the massive expansion, DL was heavily weighted tow
164 Breaker1011 : No carrier flying to Mumbai is counting on the family vacation crowd to fill the aircraft. Same for most middle east, African, and many eastern Asia
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