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User currently offlineTimmay911 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14791 times:

how often, if ever, does FedEx and UPS change their flight schedules?

i know that FedEx runs empty flights on "just in case" status for unexpected surges. And obviously, during the "peak" season, both will most likely run a few extra flights, especially as it gets down to the wire, but certainly, each should have their own 'basic' schedule, right?

at the moment, i am creating a general 'schedule' outline for this week, and will probably compare it to next week and come up with some basic schedule for this month, for both UPS and FedEx.

[Edited 2008-11-12 21:12:56]


Timmay911
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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14629 times:

This is what Manchester, NH gets. And they often bump up the lift for the holiday season...extra segments; UPS 767-300s and more FedEx DC-10s

Morning
UPS 1058 SDF-MHT A300
UPS 2053 MHT-SDF A300
UPS 1056 PHL-MHT 757
FED 1412 MEM-MHT A300 (DC-10 on Saturdays)
FED 872 MHT-MEM A300 (DC-10 on Saturdays)

Evening
UPS 2054 SDF-MHT A300
UPS 1057 MHT-SDF A300
UPS 1055 MHT-PHL 757
FED 3719 IND-MHT-BOS A300
FED 913 MEM-MHT A300
FED 1212 MHT-MEM A300


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14448 times:



Quoting Timmay911 (Thread starter):
obviously, during the "peak" season, both will most likely run a few extra flights, especially as it gets down to the wire, but certainly, each should have their own 'basic' schedule, right?

Correct. There's usually not much of a reason to change the schedules, unless statistics show that the amount of cargo to or from a certain place has changed significantly. After all these years they kind of have an idea of how much each region ships. And yes, during peak seasons extra flights are added where necessary.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14206 times:

I think FedEx bumps up the Portland, Maine flight from a 722 to a A310 or (on the busiest few days) the A300. It's a short runway there, but they manage. They do this, I believe, because on-line retailer LL Bean is right up the highway from PWM. Also, the PWM flight can be designated as a 'sweep' flight...ready to pounce into any downstream station if a stuck aircraft poses a problem: Boston, Manchester, Albany, Harrisburg, Syracuse...etc. The 'sweep' flights often have a bit more capacity than freight so it can handle some of these emergency diversions should the need arise.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14146 times:



Quoting Timmay911 (Thread starter):
i know that FedEx runs empty flights on "just in case" status for unexpected surges

Better keep that on the DL, because the enviromentalist might check this website and go bizerk. Also they take a normal flight that has cargo and run it a long way around, for instance I know sometimes they fly DEN-MEM which with the added routes just in case take 6hrs without stops.



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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14051 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Also they take a normal flight that has cargo and run it a long way around, for instance I know sometimes they fly DEN-MEM which with the added routes just in case take 6hrs without stops.

That is incrediable. You mean, the airplane takes off from DEN, is in the air for 6 hours at mach 0.8 without landing, and after those 6 hours lands in MEM? How do you 'know' this? And why on earth (or off it!) would they do that? Does this happen with other flights?


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 14036 times:
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Quoting Timmay911 (Thread starter):
i know that FedEx runs empty flights

No.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
The 'sweep' flights

Yes.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
DEN-MEM which with the added routes just in case take 6hrs

Correct. A sweep never goes out empty. It trolls around for extra freight and picks up for down a/c. Example last week. DEN-LAS-MEM vs. DEN-MEM.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
Portland, Maine flight from a 722 to a A310

Today at PWM.
#2491 BTV 11/15/2008 07:09L (12:09Z) 11/15/2008 07:54L (12:54Z) 727-2QN
#2291 MEM 11/15/2008 21:41L (02:41Z) 11/15/2008 23:56L (05:56Z) 727-2QN

A310 in December; no problem.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
designated as a 'sweep' flight

Can't sweep much on to a 727.  veryhappy 


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 14016 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I know sometimes they fly DEN-MEM which with the added routes just in case take 6hrs without stops.

In the MD-11 we don't have sweep flights but I have NEVER heard of any of our flights doing anything like that at all. A sweep flight is designed to fly to a hub, say MEM, on the filed route, not a long meandering one with the only stipulation of not leaving early and not getting shortcuts aka "how about direct MEM"? There are a number of these flights every night but they don't drive around for hours waiting to be called up. In the 727 for dec. there are over 100 sweep flights and the routes would be normal. Think about it, You leave your dept. city after the freight has been sorted and loaded (remember the stations have certain cutoff times, and fly to MEM in order to make the sort there as well. You could not do that with that scenerio.


Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
because on-line retailer LL Bean is right up the highway

in the past there was a devoted jet for LL Bean.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13957 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
Can't sweep much on to a 727.

No, but in the past FedEx had an A310 every single night out of Portland all year long. I don't think PWM 'needed' that capacity, hence my theory that it went out less-than-full in case it had to swoop into another downstream station between PWM and MEM. Isn't that the essence of a 'sweep' flight...one that is designated as a 'just-in-case' run and having more capacity than it would otherwise need?

Here at MHT the normal bump for the holidays is DC-10s and MD-10s in place of the A300, plus extra sections as needed. The departure of DHL from our apron might mean more lift from FE and UPS, but we'll not know that until early '09.


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13922 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
Can't sweep much on to a 727

I was just going by the dec. bidpacks and to be more accurat there were about 160 flights designated as sweep flights. They are probablysplit between all the domestic jets but they are listed only by city so you can't really tell. They've been around for years and are just as FXRamper said. They t/o headed for mem but expect a call to divert to xxx for a pickup.


User currently offlineHondah35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13729 times:

UPS flight numbers ending in odd numbers are carrying outbound volume; those with even numbers are carrying inbound volume. Flight numbers starting with 2 are 2nd-day air flights, those starting with 1 or 0 are next day air flights.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13720 times:



Quoting Hondah35 (Reply 10):
Flight numbers starting with 2 are 2nd-day air flights, those starting with 1 or 0 are next day air flights.

Where on earth did you hear that one ? I am forced to laugh very loudly now.  crazy 



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineHondah35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 11):

Laugh about what? It's not a perfect system, but it is generally true across their network. Look at the MHT flights posted in this thread as evidence of what I am talking about. If you know of a huge exception to this, post it. Otherwise, don't post about it until you know what you are talking about.

Sorry, forgot to quote the text (Reply 11) properly....

[Edited 2008-11-15 16:35:40]

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13426 times:



Quoting Hondah35 (Reply 12):
don't post about it until you know what you are talking about.

I most sertainly know what I'm talking about. There are no 2 day or 1 day flights, the packages are put on the flight regardless of being 1da, 2da, 3ds or yes, even, ground.  sigh 



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineHondah35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13412 times:



Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 13):
I most sertainly know what I'm talking about. There are no 2 day or 1 day flights, the packages are put on the flight regardless of being 1da, 2da, 3ds or yes, even, ground.

So if you have an outbound flight leaving in the morning MHT-SDF with a 2 at the beginning of the flight number, you have 1DA volume on that flight? LOL....the packages will miss service. Learn the basics of how an express air network functions....next day leaves at night, deferred leaves in the morning from the origin station. Now, when I say "2DA", is it possible there is some 3DA there as well? Of course....but as a general rule, that's what the flights are for, and that's why the numbering exists.


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13327 times:

I can't speak for UPS but here if the flight is not full with P1 (one day) then they will more than likely throw on some 2 day stuff time permiting because it has to go sometime. Think about it for a moment. The 2 day stuff may sit in the hub that extra day then IT becomes 1 day so you don't have flights really based on 1 day/ 2 day. If yuo have 2 or more flights going to the same dest. then normally the first flight is all P-1 and after that it's what's left, P-1, P-2, etc.

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13295 times:



Quoting Hondah35 (Reply 12):
Laugh about what? It's not a perfect system, but it is generally true across their network. Look at the MHT flights posted in this thread as evidence of what I am talking about. If you know of a huge exception to this, post it. Otherwise, don't post about it until you know what you are talking about.

Since I posted these flight numbers, and spoke in person to the UPS folks at MHT, I generally agree with this. The freight on the '2' flights are 'Blue' and the stuff on the '1' flights are UPS Red.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13280 times:
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Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 8):
don't think PWM 'needed' that capacity

The flight you speak of was a through, MEM-BTV-PWM-MEM. It came into PWM with positions already loaded. This isn't uncommon in our system. Ie. MEM-AUS-ELP-MEM.

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 15):
then normally the first flight is all P-1 and after that it's what's left, P-1, P-2, etc.

With the state of the current economy, flights are becoming less dedicated for service. We use same a/c and E2/cold mark frieght and fly it with P-1. P-2 is offloaded at a hub, and sorted the following day.


User currently offlineUPS757Pilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13186 times:



Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 13):

Incorrect. 1DA flights leave their respective cities at night and 2DA flights leave their respective cities in the morning. We wouldn't be making much money putting ground packages on airplanes. You should be more careful of your posts here when you have UPS pilots/rampers with direct knowledge here.


User currently offlineHondah35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13148 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 16):
Since I posted these flight numbers, and spoke in person to the UPS folks at MHT, I generally agree with this. The freight on the '2' flights are 'Blue' and the stuff on the '1' flights are UPS Red.

It also used to be (at least back 8-10 yrs ago) that the UPS flight number would also somewhat correspond with the zip code range serviced by the origin station. Therefore, if someone were to reference a flight, say UPS0858, you could automatically determine that this was an inbound next-day air flight going into PHX (the zips in AZ being in the 850 range). However, the MHT flights above don't bear this theory out so UPS must have reworked their numbering system.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13136 times:



Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 7):
but I have NEVER heard of any of our flights doing anything like that at all. A sweep flight is designed to fly to a hub, say MEM, on the filed route, not a long meandering one

FDX1311 the flight he's referring to. Flies DEN-MEM every day with a very non-direct route.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX1311



User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13057 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 20):
FDX1311 the flight he's referring to. Flies DEN-MEM every day with a very non-direct route.

So what's the reason for this again?


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13046 times:
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Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 21):

So what's the reason for this again?

It's a sweep flight. If a/c in LAS, ABQ, ELP, AUS, LIT, etc go down it can pop in and pick up frieght.

#1311 never leaves DEN at 100% capacity.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12960 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 17):
The flight you speak of was a through, MEM-BTV-PWM-MEM. It came into PWM with positions already loaded. This isn't uncommon in our system. Ie. MEM-AUS-ELP-MEM.

The Airbus A310, when it served Portland, never routed through Burlington, VT. It always, always went MEM-PWM-MEM, spending the full day in Portland. The weekend (Saturday) had (and still has) a 727-200 that DOES do the MEM-BTV-PWM-MEM run.


User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 12919 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 22):

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 21):

So what's the reason for this again?

It's a sweep flight. If a/c in LAS, ABQ, ELP, AUS, LIT, etc go down it can pop in and pick up frieght.

#1311 never leaves DEN at 100% capacity.

How often is such a swoop-down and pick-up needed? It must be rather often to justify the scheduling of the A300-600 and the fuel consumption of such a circuitous route! How long has FX 1311 been routed/operating as such? Before, did FX allocate additional capacity to the LAS/ABQ/ELP/AUS/LIT/etc markets?



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25 Pilotboi : That's what I was thinking. And how often does it work out that the aircraft is near where they need it when? I'm sure when it gets called it needs t
26 ChrisNH : I've seen some semi-strange stuff with the Portland, ME flight once it departs there for Memphis each night at around 9pm. I've seen it come here to M
27 Braniff722 : UPS and FedEx usually fly the A306 and A310 into and out of SHV daily. Last year I noticed that UPS had an extra daily 757 into here and FedEx used 2
28 BlueFlyer : Similar in goal to a sweep flight, I remember reading about an integrator (I think EAT, which flies for DHL in Europe) that would load spare parts in
29 ChrisNH : In a sort of paradox, this holiday season could be a very good one for the on-line retailers, and by extension, for FedEx and UPS. The better deals mi
30 Burnsie28 : In case another aircraft along the way has mechanical it can stop in, get as much of it as it can and move it on its way. One day it went nearly all
31 Braniff722 : That's a good point. Braniff
32 CosmicCruiser : What I was saying was any city that has more than one jet headed to a hub will certainly fill the 1st one with P-1 and then anything left goes one th
33 Skyway1 : Even on the DGO side of things we operate like this. My pickup route usually ends early enough that I can rove around and help others if they've run i
34 413X3 : The overnight business is extremely tight competition wise, and I believe they have contracts with USPS that they would rather not break. So extra ai
35 Flyf15 : In the last 7 months, it has diverted 35 times to cities including AUS, DFW, STL, SHV, ELP, LAX, LAS, IAH, MSY, OKC, TUS, HRL, and SLC
36 NW7E7 : There might be a diversion every now and then but LIT does not have any FX flights, just UPS and ABX.
37 ChrisNH : How many 757s does FedEx have in the air now, and where are they going?
38 Teneriffe77 : Here in SYR, FedEx runs a 722 that routes EWR-SYR-BTV, and an A300 (sometimes a 310) from MEM. UPS sends a 752's from PHL and SDF which sometime stop
39 Jet-lagged : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...X1311 Wild! Do FedEx run other flights like this regularly, or is this the only one? Maybe som
40 DFWramper : There are a few of these each night -- scheduled flights with little or no freight on them. In all cases that I'm aware of, the plane has to repositi
41 DFWramper : When I worked at UPS 6-7 years ago in scheduling, this was indeed the case. Not sure how they are handling it now. This is exactly correct. The night
42 Post contains links ChrisNH : If anyone wants to see an example of a 'sweep' flight, take a look at FedEx Flight 1291 tonight on FlightAware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX
43 Warszawa : The PWM flight is just a standard flight, the ROC diversion is just that, a diversion. 'Sweep' is more an intentional, expected diversion, if one occ
44 Warszawa : Can ayone here working for Fedex know why FDX is operating FDX722 (MEM-SDF-FNT, Depart MEM 5pm, Stopover SDF, Arr FNT 9pm) and FDX622 (FNT-MEM - Depar
45 GSPSPOT : What's with places like MHT and PWM getting A300's and DC 10's, while GSP (a large business/manufacturing metro area) gets a pair of 727's? At least,
46 PWM2TXLHopper : Primarily, It's because of L.L. Bean. Particularly around Christmas. We usually only get widebodies for a few weeks before Christmas. Otherwise, it's
47 ChrisNH : Manchester gets the extra lift the same way everybody else does, but we get A300s the rest of the year for a couple reasons: 1.) MHT is a central poin
48 Warszawa : I personally havent heard of Fedex night-ops carrying First Class Mail or Priority Mail, maybe someone who loads fedex aircraft can chime in on that.
49 ChrisNH : UPS won the L.L. Bean business away from FedEx??? That's pretty interesting.
50 UPS757Pilot : Yes we won LL Bean. Apparently they likd our integrated approach. (One driver delivers air & ground packages). Not sure if we will fly to PWM or stay
51 UPS757 : UPS adds flights at MHR starting next week. AM Flights 757 - ONT-MHR-PHL "NEW" 757 - SDF-MHR-CAE "NEW" 757 - RFD-MHR-DSM 757 - RFD-MSP-MHR-DFW "NEW" 7
52 JetJeanes : They are not hireing many workers and there are laying some of in some areas. then i have heard some planes are parked, Does anyone know if these lear
53 DFWramper : This is correct. Express Mail is sorted with FX Overnight product. USPS meets the plane at the destination ramp the next morning and brings the freig
54 UPS707 : I guess I know where I'll be spending my lunchtime now... Not often we get the Diesel-8's out this way!. Any idea what times it will be here? Also, n
55 UPS757 : UPS707, Yes, N432UP was at MHR on Thursday and operated as UPS0955 MHR-RFD The DC8 from RFD is planned Tues-Thurs & Tues 12/23 Arrival as UPS2603 RFD-
56 UPS707 : Thanks for the info.. now I know my eyesight isn't going out and perfect timing on that 8.. leave for lunch at 1115, get there at 1130, watch it take
57 ChrisNH : I'm not in the business; I'm just an armchair observer. But if you guys won the L.L. Bean business and you have an open parking spot to put the 757 (
58 Post contains links and images PWM2TXLHopper : I don't know if that's completely true about lack of parking, Chris? If you go back about 10-15 years ago Fedex and ABX, as well as Emery Air Freight
59 Warszawa : Those new ones you mentioned are primarily just for the holidays, very likely those new routes wont be around come January (even after LL Bean is int
60 ChrisNH : Well, that's what I was told as the reason why. It sure can't be because there's not enough business! I would think a UPS 757 connecting Louisville a
61 Voyager747 : Well I know that UPS comes to YYZ as UPS487 and leaves as UPS488. They come in at 5:30am and leave around 11pm. They bring in the A306.
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