TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
There are multiple reasons. For one, in large cities the population is pretty spread out and different airports are more accessible to different people...
In the case of DC and NY, DCA+LGA both have perimeter rules, caping the flights at a certain distance. This necessitates the use of IAD and JFK. New York City is a huge city and is served by mainly JFK, EWR, LGA and to an extent HPN and ISP.
Older airports are essentially locked out of expansion... Almost no airplane can take off from LGA with enough fuel to carry enough passengers to say London, thus even if no perimeter rule existed, airlines would still use JFK+EWR.
So lets take American Airlines
market #1 day trip business traveller going from Chicago to New York
obviously ORD-LGA would make the most sense, getting him as close to Manhattan as possible.
market #2 traveller heading to London from New York
JFK-LHR makes the most sense.
market #3 traveller heading from New Jersey to LA
EWR-LAX makes the most sense.
Essentially, different airports serve different markets with different purposes.
Overall, you are correct in thinking that consolidating a city station into one airport is cost-effective, but in some cases, more money can be made serving multiple airports because you catch a much larger market.
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EWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
I used to live in Central New Jersey and there was NO way I'd drive to either LGA or JFK or PHL for that matter when I could take a flight from/to EWR. The amount of time lost in transit to one of these airports would be more than time spent waiting as #50 to take off from EWR. There's also the extra cost involved, with tolls, more gas, etc. I used to work for a US subsidiary (in N.J.) of a European-based company and visitors would always fly into and out of EWR because of the time savings. The airlines know that many passengers will choose an airport that's more convenient to where they live or need to travel when they have the chance.
I now live just outside Chicago and try to use MDW whenever I can because of the convenience factor. Usually that means WN, which I have personally come to admire and enjoy.
Shamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2848 times:
Ryanair serve LTN, LGW and STN in London, and EI serve LHR and LGW.
These airports all have different catchment areas some of them with millions of potential passengers. For example for someone who lives near STN, LHR is not really an option because of the distance and time needed to get from one to the other.
Richcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 5): Ryanair serve LTN, LGW and STN in London, and EI serve LHR and LGW.
These airports all have different catchment areas some of them with millions of potential passengers. For example for someone who lives near STN, LHR is not really an option because of the distance and time needed to get from one to the other
I used to be one of them. I used to live in North-East London and Stansted and Luton were both easier to get to than Heathrow. Put it this way I could get to Stansted in 30 mins. If I got the train to Heathrow it wouldl take around 2 hours. If I was to drive to Heathrow on a good day or a 4am it would take around 1hr 20 mins, however once it took 3 hrs due to traffic.
If we were flying short haul and only going away for a few days my partner would not fly from Heathrow as it takes so long to get there and back.
My parents live in Belfast and it would take them less time to drive the 90 miles to Dublin airport than it would take me to drive to Heathrow.
DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
WN flies to all Los Angeles: Ontario, Burbank, LAX, and Orange County. There is enough traffic between Northern California and the Los Angeles Basin to support flights throughout the day. The traffic congestion of the Los Angeles area would make it impossible to concentrate WN flights to one or two airports.
JoePatroni From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
Quoting AAden (Reply 7): could you explain the perimeter rules?
The perimeter rules were set up in the early 1980's to basically discourage overcrowding at the airports (DCA and LGA) and to encourage long-haul flights to the alternate airports (JFK and EWR for LGA, IAD for DCA)
For LGA, the perimeter is set up for 1500 miles but the rule is not in place on Saturdays (that's why you see certain Saturday-only long haul flights) However, all DEN flights were "grand-fathered" in and they are an exception to the rule.
For DCA, the perimeter is set up for 1250 miles but has a few exceptions. Alaska flights to SEA is one that I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there are others.
I think there are many reasons why airlines like AA would fly between ORD and LGA (business traffic) and ORD to JFK (feeder for International traffic)
Airlines like AC for example use LGA and EWR for short-haul flights to YYZ, YUL, YOW and YHZ. They use JFK for longer-haul flights to YVR and YYC.
Quoting AAden (Reply 7): Or united flys from denver to jfk and lga?
I'm pretty sure UA does not fly to JFK from DEN. They use LGA and EWR for the DEN flights for the reason mentioned above.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
Quoting AAden (Thread starter): I've always wondered, Why do airlines serve multiple airports that reside in the the same city.
ie washington DC, New york,
AA, UA serve both airports in these cities.
Wouldn't it be more cost effective to only serve one airport?
Here in NY, we have a lot of airports because there are a lot of people here, they are spread over a huge area...and they are not always willing to hike all the way to a further airport just to take your airline. If I lived up in the Bronx or in Westchester, I would not be going all the way down to JFK to catch a flight to Florida if I could fly someone that flies out of a closer airport (HPN, LGA). It is quite a hike (I know distance-wise it really isn't, but actually getting to/from JFK could be a real pain in the butt depending on the time of day, etc.) to get down there. Just like folks in NJ would have to cross 2 bridges (or take the tunnel route) to get to JFK which increases toll costs and traffic, etc. They would probably just go out of EWR. Obviously, some long-haul or odd-ball routes you really don't have a choice unless you want multiple connections, but for the most part you'll try to choose an airline that offers service out of an airport that you are comfortable traveling to.
This is why B6 serves almost every NYC-area airport that they can (JFK, LGA, EWR, HPN, SWF). IIRC, when the research was done, if B6 were to open these other airports outside of JFK, they weren't going to really change the volume of pax traveling out of JFK but actually expand their customer base on particular routes.
Airlines increased frequencies and used smaller aircraft for a reason...passengers wanted more choices of times to travel, etc. This applies to what airports they want to fly out of as well. Of course, the demand has to be there. When it comes to NY, NY-FL routes are bread and butter (actually bagel and butter works better in this case) flights and its hard not to make it work if you have the right frequency and aircraft size for that particular airport.
Hope this helps a little...
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Flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7143 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2049 times:
Quoting AAden (Reply 7): Why then does AA fly a non stop from dallas to ronald regan and dullus?
These cities have alot of people. Each airport serves a different crowd. For the DC area DCA is very close to the city its not even a 15 minute drive to get into the center of Washington DC and there is a very easy Subway connection. So thats why AA fly's to DCA people prefer to fly to DCA than Dulles if they are going to the City of DC and not flying over seas etc... I live in DC and I fly to MIA almost once a month I have flown IAD-MIA once and never flown BWI-MIA. But I have flown out of DCA many times because it is so easy to fly out and into it. Also IAD (Dulles) is far from the city around 25 miles and has no subway stop, it can take over an hour to get to Dulles. I have also flown DCA-FLL instead of DCA-MIA why? Because flying to FLL was cheaper that time and its only 20miles from my house so it made sense to save the money.
Look at FLL and MIA why does AA fly to FLL when they have a huge hub at MIA. Well because there are people who want to fly out of FLL instead.
Cities that have more than one airport have lots of people so some people want to fly out of certain airports due to location and price of a ticket.
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TravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
You may also find that the airports can attract different markets demographics, this is particularly evident in London.
Heathrow is the long-haul "scheduled" aiport, Gatwick and Luton are the home of charter airlines, Stanstead is where the budget carriers live whilst London City is the bankers airport. You will find different yields too, with London City charging a premium for its handy location, down to the Ryanair cheap deals.
I think a similar thing happens in the LA region, with LAX being supplemented by rise of the likes of Long Beach with Jetblue.
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