C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
Since Luxair is a small airline, it usually doesn't get much press, so I was wondering how Luxair was holding up amid the crisis. Does anyone have any info?
Another question I always had is if it ever was planned for LG to enter Star Alliance as a regional member.
Also, can be a cooperation between SN and LG expected now that LH is the middle?
Luxair has no longhaul routes.They tried longhaul with leased Citybird B767's for I believe 1 season but obviously it didn't make money as it was soon dropped! I think that this was in 1999, as I remember seeing it at Findel in July of that year!
I have a friend who's a First Officer on their B737's and he told me a few years ago that the longest routes were to Hurghada & Sharm El Sheikh. The Banjul flight was also a charter flight I would imagine?
No. Banjul's towards the limit of a B737-700, though Astraeus have done LGW-Deer Lake (Canada) and LGW-Malabo with them before. Banjul is probably best described as medium haul
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 4):
They used to have a 747SP leased from SA for flights to JNB. I believe it was leased out to UTA France at some point too.
The history of these flights is quite interesting. The aircraft were painted in Luxair colors and operated by Luxair, but marketed by Luxavia. Luxavia was a brand of the South African company Trek Airways. Tickets issued on the flights also showed "Luxavia".
Although the legal construction has changed over the years, the cooperation between Luxair and Trek lasted from 1961 to 1994, when Trek went bankrupt. In these years, different aircraft have been used: DC-4, Super Constellation, 707, 747.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3407 times:
Quoting TCX757330 (Reply 7): Thanks for the info. Does Luxair use their 737's on both charter and scheduled services then?
Luxair is operating as two companies: Luxair Luxembourg Airlines and Luxair Tours. It is LuxairTours who is the main user of the 737 fleet; for the "normal" destinations, the 737 is typically only used for some FRA flights and in the summer for some destinations like OPO. Most flights are done with the ERJ and DH4.
Not too long ago, LG mentioned considering getting rid of all the 737s, but so far it seems like they have decided to keep them. But for the normal, daily flights, they only use the small aircraft.
Quoting TCX757330 (Reply 1): Does Luxair have any longhaul ops? Saw one of their 737-700'z down in BJL the other week long way for a 700?
HV is also doing AMS-BJL with the 73G, for charters.
Quoting C010T3 (Thread starter): Also, can be a cooperation between SN and LG expected now that LH is the middle?
Not unlikely, considering LHs share in LG. However, I have my doubts about what they could do. Brussels and Luxembourg are so close, that a flight between both cities makes not much sense. Now, Luxembourg is also close to FRA, but the number of connections out of FRA is way higher than out of BRU. Maybe some joint marketing is the best they can do.
Does anybody know how LG's new flights out of SCN are performing, by the way?
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 8): Not unlikely, considering LHs share in LG. However, I have my doubts about what they could do. Brussels and Luxembourg are so close, that a flight between both cities makes not much sense. Now, Luxembourg is also close to FRA, but the number of connections out of FRA is way higher than out of BRU. Maybe some joint marketing is the best they can do.
I agree, but BRU does offer some few connecting opportunities that FRA doesn't. Travelling by train between LUX and BRU does take longer than it should, so I think that it could come in handy. And how about O&D EU traffic?
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9): I agree, but BRU does offer some few connecting opportunities that FRA doesn't.
Yes, indeed, there is a handful of very specific African destinations that are not served from FRA and neither from ZRH (also a LH-hub of course, and linked to LUX).
But just look at that capacity offered on mainstream sectors like LUX-BCN (1 daily ERJ), LUX-MUC (2 daily ERJ); how many people from LUX would want to go to Conakry or Kinshasa on a daily basis? Indeed, no reason to operate a feeder flight when the airports are so close from each other anyways. Don't forget, in the whole country Luxemburg, there are less than 500.000 people living.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9): Travelling by train between LUX and BRU does take longer than it should,
By car it's under 2 hours. I always wonder why so many people here on the forum think of the train as the main alternative for a feeder flight: typically, the car is the main alternative.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9): And how about O&D EU traffic?
I'd suppose they take the car, either or not with Chauffeur, as well.
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3272 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 10):
But just look at that capacity offered on mainstream sectors like LUX-BCN (1 daily ERJ), LUX-MUC (2 daily ERJ); how many people from LUX would want to go to Conakry or Kinshasa on a daily basis? Indeed, no reason to operate a feeder flight when the airports are so close from each other anyways.
Well, there's a reason for LUX-FRA, why not LUX-BRU...
Quoting Joost (Reply 10): Don't forget, in the whole country Luxemburg, there are less than 500.000 people living.
Don't forget that Findel has a more extensive catchment area.
Quoting Joost (Reply 10): By car it's under 2 hours. I always wonder why so many people here on the forum think of the train as the main alternative for a feeder flight: typically, the car is the main alternative.
Maybe because it's public transportation just as much as Luxair and Brussels Airlines.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2994 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
Well, there's a reason for LUX-FRA, why not LUX-BRU...
Of course, never say never, but:
* Frankfurt is further away from Luxemburg than Brussels is, and therefore, O&D demand from Frankfurt could be a bit higher because there's fewer competition from car or train (Same goes for AMS, ZRH or CDG). Luxemburg-Brussels (Luxemburg station, just at the European Parliament) is not that bad at 2:45. Frankfurt is at least an hour more.
* Frankfurt offers way more connections than BRU and therefore, from flights from FRA can be filled easier. BRU is a fine hub for European connections, but very limited for long-haul connections. FRA can serve a good role for flights to the Americas and the far East. Prime destinations like New York, Singapore or Tokyo are not served from BRU.
* LH can fill their own long-haul planes ex FRA. Ex. BRU, LH (or LG) has (AFAIK) no revenue share with UA. So when someone flies LUX-BRU-IAD-LAX, LH would probably get a small commission for selling a seat on UA's aircraft (and optionally some money when UA gives & more points to the traveler), but it's not as lucrative as having someone flying LUX-FRA-LAX.
* Even when LH would have a revenue-share with UA, they can still only offer a flight to IAD, and thereby, they would always need to offer someone a double-connect; from FRA, many destinations can be served with only one stop. When offering a double-connect ex BRU, they will really need to discount, compared to single-connect offers via FRA, MUC, AMS or CDG.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11): Don't forget that Findel has a more extensive catchment area.
Well, not that extensive. Towards Belgium, there is mostly the Ardenness area that isn't densely populated. Towards Germany, as soon as you reach the more populated area's, you are already close to either CGN, FRA or SCN. Towards France indeed, there is a more populated area (Metz-Nancy) which will consider flying out of LUX. But not LUX-BRU for O&D (when you factor in a 2 hour check-in time, you can better just continue driving to Brussels); there is competition from SXB and of course Lorraine TGV - Paris CDG is only 1:16 by train.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 13):
You sound like you don't want BRU's and LUX's traffic growing together.
Excuse me? Where do I sound like that? I just think that flying LUX-BRU just for the sake of flying it is a waste of shareholders' money, for the reasons described above.
With respect to BRU and LH-SN, I think we might rather see an increase in flights from various German airports to BRU, or transatlantic flights again.
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2756 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 14): Excuse me? Where do I sound like that? I just think that flying LUX-BRU just for the sake of flying it is a waste of shareholders' money, for the reasons described above.
I just think that increasing the alternatives on LH-SN network is a good alternative in order to stanch the traffic being lost to AF-KL at both CDG and AMS.
Acelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 8): Not too long ago, LG mentioned considering getting rid of all the 737s, but so far it seems like they have decided to keep them.
Where Luxair planing to leave the charter market then? For a fleet of three 737-700's
they seem to get quite a lot of use out of them....
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Tolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
I do agree with Joost, BRU does not make sense to me. I often need to fly from LUX to destinations not offered frm LUX and every time, I choose either AMS or CDG (Skyteam helps...) why simply because the connections offered are so large that it suits my needs. BRU network is not extensive and frequencies are low compared to FRA, CDG, AMS or ZRH.
Luxair product is nice, new airport, new rebranding, better price... great service on board.
However, please all bear in mind that next to LUX is one of the biggest hubs of Ryanair, Frankfurt Hahn and this airport hurts a lot Luxair.
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11): Well, there's a reason for LUX-FRA, why not LUX-BRU...
I think if LG were interested in connections to slightly obscire African And Middle-East destinations LUX-LHR and BD might be the arm of LH they are after, from there they could also connect passengers to the US and Southern Africa destinations.
Brian.
Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
SeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
According to Airliner World, Luxair has approved acquistion of a 5th Dash8-400Q and a Boeing 737-800 to replace a Boeing 737-500 for charter operations, so they must be doing quite well.
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