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Per CNN, Boeing To Leave Seattle  
User currently offlineTripleseven From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 118 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Boeing to leave Seattle
About half of 1,000-person headquarters staff to be cut as part of move
March 21, 2001: 1:20 p.m. ET
From CNN:

NEW YORK (CNNfn) - Boeing Co. is moving its main offices out of Seattle and cutting about half its 1,000-employee headquarters staff in the move.

The company said Wednesday it is looking at three possible metropolitan areas to relocate to: Chicago, Dallas and Denver. It expects to pick a location this summer and to have an operational center at the new headquarters as soon as this fall. It said the move, and the reorganization, are part of an effort to refocus the company and provide better shareholder returns.



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User currently offlineBoeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
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Yikes, this is interesting news!

This story is also being reported in Seattle in our two major papers and story is posted at http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com and http://seattletimes.com/

Carolyn


User currently offlineL_188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

I just saw that story too.....YIKES!!!!

It sounds like it is just the paper pushers not the manufacturing capability...

The question is why those three cities? Not one of them impress me....


User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Dallas is obvious. There are three large airports there: DFW International, Love Field and Alliance. Two major airlines that use Boeing products are headquartered there: Southwest and American. Delta has a major maintenance facility at DFW and both FedEx and UPS have mini-hubs (Alliance and DFW, respectively). Oh, and don't forget the joint reserve base.

As far as business is concerned, Dallas/Fort Worth is considered one of the top ten major metropolitan areas for business and industry...

Any more questions?



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User currently offlineCruising From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

I think people are misled. They are thinking about moving coperate headquater, not whole Boeing. In Seattle, Boeing has its own coperate HQ building nearby Boeing field. I believe Phil is talking about moving that facility to somewhere.

Even these days, BCAG HQ is in different location. It isn't in same building as coperate HQ. It is in Renton area, south of Seattle. So moving HQ building to somewhere isn't a big issue to Phil Condit. Although I hate the idea...


User currently offlineWN boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1957 times:

Dallas seems the obvious choice for the reasons the Doctor pointed out. In addition, Texas has a very business friendly tax structure (low "franchise" tax and no personal income tax) of which Boeing, with its high operating revenue, would certainly like to take advantage. Moreover, the presence of American (the second largest airline in the world and not a large Airbus customer) and Southwest (all Boeing fleet and the largest consumer of 737's in the world) would make Dallas logical. In light of all of this, I would like to say on behalf of thepeople of the Great State of Texas, Welcome Boeing!

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1928 times:

I think Boeing would do very well to move its HQ operation to the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex.  Smile

My guess is that they're looking for office space in either the Arlington or Irving, TX areas right now.



User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

From a non-business POV, I think it's not a bad but not really a good choice.

Dunno about you, but I've always known it as Boeing, where? Seattle. Not anywhere else and it will be terribly sad for those people in SEA. Oh dear.

It will take some time to get used to Boeing, half in Denver or whatever, half in Seattle

;(

Singapore_Air - Rattled



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User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

I think Boeing should move just across the street from Airbus in Toulouse to kick start the rivalry.

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

I doubt that Boeing will choose to move to Dallas because of AA and WN being Boeing customers. Under your argument, they should move their office to Tel Aviv or Tokyo because JAL and El Al are all Boeing airlines.

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Come on down to Texas Boeing!  Smile

User currently offlineWN boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Cba, I did not just randomly make that up as a reason to move to Dallas. Rather, Phil Conrad indicated as much in his statement. According to Phil, "[a]s we've grown, we have determined that our headquarters needs to be in a location central to all our operating units, customers and the financial community -- but separate from our existing operations." You name for me any other city in America that has two major airlines headquartered and any other state that has three major airlines (AA, WN, & CO)

User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

I just heard the news on the radio 10 minutes ago and I am flaming... as well as just about everyone else in this city AND not to mention the unions. The unions are already putting up a fight, saying "You can hide in another city, but...". I never thought I'd be pro-union.

Bill Boeing is probably turning over in his grave.

We need to keep in mind, this is not final. But it doesn't sound good.

One person said:
For four generations, Seattleites have been working for Boeing, electing politicians that lobby for Boeing, assenting to special tax breaks that exclusively benefit Boeing. Seattle's citizens have been integral in the company's success.

Boeing's move, especially in this age of high-speed communications (why can't they just teleconference with Denver?) shows a profound contempt for the thousands of Seattleites, living and dead, that made Boeing what it is.


This IS a slap in the face to millions of Seattleites, past and present.

PHIL CONDIT:
DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS ON THE WAY OUT.

Damn these people.


User currently offlineCstarU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Look at the bright side--you still have Starbucks. Big grin

User currently offlineCruising From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Guys,

As I said before, it is HQ that will be move, NOT entire Boeing. These days Boeing is more than commercial airplane manufacture. That is one of reasons that Boeing is having massive global advertisement to tell people that Boeing is more than an airplane manufacturing company. Everything will stay in Seattle, but HQ building. Only people who are workign in HQ will be affected by that.

I personally don't like Phil's idea moving HQ to somewhere else, but he is the man in Boeing right now. He is trying to do something that will help Boeing.


User currently offlineNaimas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

whine whine whine


Sure lets all feel sorry for the arrogant, leftist latte sipping people who want the world to feel sorry for them becuase Boeing is making a strong business decision and they feel, like the above person, that Boeing OWES Seattle everything.

Sorry folks but I guess some of the arrogant ones will have to find a way to pay for that 3rd SUV now that their "slave" Boeing is deciding that maybe there are other cities than just Seattle that would appreciate some prosperity.

Living and working in Seattle I can tell you two things.

Seattle has SOME hard working people at Boeing (line workers)

Seattle has some spoiled cry babies that are more mouth than vision and practically have to be bribed just to show up to work regularly. There are a hundred cities in America that Boeing would be better suited being in just becuase of the laid back atitude that costs in production.

And alot of the blame rests on the unions themselves. Now threatening Boeing that they are going to make stuff difficult and watch everything the company does?

Yup that Seattle's gratitude for yah.

If I was condit I would threaten move the whole company to Denver.


A hint to Boeing people?


Sell the SUV. Scrap the plans for the huge house and rejoin the rest of the world in having to live day to day.


Sad but true.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

I'm really starting to think that Condit's head is stuck really far up his ass.


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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2245 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

I think what Condit is saying is that he and all the other senior execs are sick and tired of having to fly long-haul for every critical business meeting they have. Let's face it, Seattle is a very long ride to the East Coast, Europe and even Asia. Don't bite me about Asia, I just mean they'll be saving a lot of time in travel overall. Still, I don't get it.

The cost savings of such a move are insignificant to a $50B company and this just serves to aggravate people. What the hell is the point of relocating your HQs away from your primary operational facilities? Another thought, maybe Condit and Co. feel they are too distracted by union issues and manufacturing to focus on the essential business issues of growth and competition from Airbus. I'm sure we'll be getting a lot more analysis on this decision.


User currently offlineP&M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

The rat is leaving the sinking ship  Big grin

User currently offlineDG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Why don't they keep all production and everything in Seattle, and put a special 'financial/administrative headquarters'-where the officials meet-in their central U.S. location. It would be the best of both worlds. However, I really wish Boeing would stay put!!!!

I doubt the next place is going to cater and support Boeing the way Seattle has!



User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Denver.

That's all you need to know. It will be Denver.

Mark my words.  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineCruising From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Moving the company HQ to new place is a big deal. But There is even bigger one. Phil promoted 3 of his presidents to CEO. Well, I thought there is only one CEO in a company. Now, Boeing has 4 CEOs. What the hell is that mean? I am very curious what Phil is really thinking.

Boeing has 4 big HQ around US. Coperate HQ is in Seattle, Commercial HQ is IN Renton, Military is in St. Louis, and Space & Communication is in Seal Beach. Every excutives are needed to fly up to Seattle to have meeting, except commercial people.

I think Phil like to move somewhere so everybody has to fly to attend meeting. To make fair, so do speak...


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Maybe Boeing is also looking for something no one has yet to mention- POLITICAL BACKING. No offence to Washington State, but it doesn't exactly have the most voice in the government. Texas and Illinois are powerful states.

User currently offlineDG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

This is about the last thing we need--more power concentrated in less places.

User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

>Sure lets all feel sorry for the arrogant, leftist latte sipping people who want the world to feel sorry for them becuase Boeing is making a strong business decision and they feel, like the above person, that Boeing OWES Seattle everything.

Oh, please... hey- by the way I'm a 'rightist latte sipping' person who doesn't want Boeing HQ to leave. I am sure you have heard the lame excuses they are giving us Seattleites for leaving.

>I'm really starting to think that Condit's head is stuck really far up his ass.

Most of us Seattleites have known that for quite a while...

>No offence to Washington State, but it doesn't exactly have the most voice in the government

No, the reason they don't like Washington State is because it is too left-leaning. It is local government they care about, not national for the most part. The government here in WA is waayyyy too left for Boeing's comfort and with any luck, maybe the way for Gary Locke to coerce Boeing into staying is to loosen up on taxes and regulation- it'll be hard for the man though.

Like I said before, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Phil.


25 Redraider : Apparantly the 500 people moving are REALLY popular in the Seattle area. My bet is Dallas/Ft. Worth for the following reasons, some already listed: Be
26 Deltaflyertoo : Dallas would be cool. CNN said maybe Chicago, I hope not. Aside from my personal opinion, it logistically wouldn't work out either.
27 Cotpares : My husband is a mechanical designer and he does a lot of Dept of defense "stuff". He works as a contract worker.He Gets job offers for Boeing to work
28 Travatl : WHY is everyone freaking out over this story?!?!? it is practically non-news. All Boeing is saying is that the three heads of their three divisions (i
29 N628AU : Personally, it is sick, but it is just the corporate office. Life will go on.
30 Post contains images Lsjef : My GUESS is DEN. Boeing will have a hard time getting support from managers who are used to the Cascades but being asked to relocate to flat and open
31 WN boy : I am not sure than any engineers would be moving. It is only the headquarters staff that is relocating out of SEA while the commercial aircraft divisi
32 Post contains images Flashmeister : My take on the multi-CEO issue: Boeing has historically been a series of separate units. BCAG, the DoD operations, Space, Data, etc. They're evolving
33 TEDSKI : I wonder if the earthquake a few weeks ago had something to do with this decision to relocate. Heard that there was some damage done to some of the fa
34 Post contains images N766AS : >Beneficial corporate tax structures The Boeing Co. will be taxed by Washington State, not by the state corporate offices are moved to. >No personal i
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