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QF 747-400ER Routes  
User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 538 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

Are the 744ER's also regularly operated on the asian/european routes besides trans-pacific?

If so, which are these routes? Are these scheduled or randomly changed? Is there a way to figure out if it is going to be a 744ER or 744 in the Qantas booking system? Thanks for any suggestions.

Loran

[Edited 2008-11-13 20:19:26]


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

QF's 6x744ER are all configured as Pacific birds... so they usually fly MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX, and SYD-SFO. Sometimes LAX-JFK. They will soon be flying SYD-EZE.
If a Kangaroo configured aircraft is out then yes sometimes they will fly to Asia/UK but not very often.

[Edited 2008-11-13 20:25:05]


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User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Adding on to what Zkpilot has mentioned, they also sporadically fly to JNB as well.


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User currently offlineTCX757330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8611 times:

Hi

I take it the 747-400ER has a greater range than the standard 747-400? Any other differencies??

Thanks

TCX757330


User currently offlineTommy212 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

i would have thought it would have a greater payload capacity over the standard 747-400 as well

User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Also has a higher MTOW and the cabin bins are the same design as the 777.

User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2485 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

Any external give/aways, apart from the regi?


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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8230 times:



Quoting PW100 (Reply 6):
Any external give/aways, apart from the regi?

The 744s have RR engines. The 744ERs have GE engines.


User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8172 times:
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User currently offlineOvrpowrd727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

aside from the characteristics, what's the flight level these guys can fly in order to do those 15hr hops, and how come Airbuses are not used from any other airline

User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8145 times:



Quoting TCX757330 (Reply 3):
I take it the 747-400ER has a greater range than the standard 747-400? Any other differencies??

I'm not too sure about technical differences but the cabin features a 777 style interior with 'Bigger Bins'. The galleys are also lay out slightly differently and we have curtains in crew rest. Big grin

I have flown on the aircraft several times out of London but it is very infrequent and is only assigned when a 'Kangaroo' configured aircraft is unavailable.

Regards
ThomasCook



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7617 times:



Quoting Ovrpowrd727 (Reply 9):
aside from the characteristics, what's the flight level these guys can fly in order to do those 15hr hops, and how come Airbuses are not used from any other airline

???



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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

The ERs are as above mainly used onSYD/MEL to LAX and SFO flights plus the LAX-JFK tag sometimes. The will be the main aircraft for the new SYD-EZE flight and I think can be quite regular in JNB. They appear elsewhere from time to time aswell like LHR, SIN, HKG, BKK, AKL, BNE.

User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7140 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 12):
The ERs are as above mainly used on SYD/MEL to LAX and SFO flights plus the LAX-JFK tag sometimes.

But as the new Megabuses come online, they'll be dedicated elsewhere like EZE and JNB and taking over some routes to Europe from older 744's.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25342 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7050 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 7):
Quoting PW100 (Reply 6):
Any external give/aways, apart from the regi?

The 744s have RR engines. The 744ERs have GE engines.

According to Boeing's summary of 744ER differences, apart from higher fuel capacity and various structural changes, they also have larger tires.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7018 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
they also have larger tires.

And you'd have to be a real anorak wearing Planespotter to notice that!



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User currently offlineDivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6544 times:

Its a pity that only QF was the only operator of this aircraft. Perhaps if boeing had released this aircraft earlier, it may of had a couple of more customers (this is the passenger varient im talking about as the ERF has done quite well).
I have always liked these QF 744s (ER or not) as my father was part of getting the financing for these aircraft and he was able to fly one of them recently (on his SYD-LAX segment) so i feel that they have something special about them to me!



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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6234 times:

How far can the 744 - ER fly? SYD - ORD perhaps non-stop?


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

I don't think the -ER has larger tyres, what I understood was it has larger wheels for greater load bearing and lower profile tyres.

Incidentally, does anyone know how much more fuel the -ER can carry in relation to the standard -400 ?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5776 times:



Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Are the 744ER's also regularly operated on the asian/european routes besides trans-pacific?

QF have configured the B744ER fleet in a Pacific configure...

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
If a Kangaroo configured aircraft is out then yes sometimes they will fly to Asia/UK but not very often.

Correct...  checkmark 

Quoting TCX757330 (Reply 3):
I take it the 747-400ER has a greater range than the standard 747-400?

Greater range enabling weight restrictions to be lifted as apposed to UA flights being heavily weight restricted...

Quoting PW100 (Reply 6):
Any external give/aways, apart from the regi?

Powerplants and from Boeing specs, the wings are built from a much light material...

Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 7):
The 744ERs have GE engines.

... and Ex- MH and OZ aircraft  Wink

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 8):
VH-OEF visited LHR on 18.10.08 on QF001.

VH-OEJ operated to LHR this week... Aircraft returned to SYD this morning as QF032D... Aircraft diverted to CBR last due to the weather...

EK413



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

The GE is the easy spotting for a QF ER,

CI does have new 747 with GE and 777 interiors as well.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5431 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 7):

Quoting PW100 (Reply 6):
Any external give/aways, apart from the regi?

The 744s have RR engines. The 744ERs have GE engines.

Some 744s have GE engines as well, but yes the ERs do have GE engines.
They also have "Boeing 747-400ER" painted on the side of the plane  Wink



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User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Thanks for all the replies!

That means the QF booking system won't reveal any details which aircraft it is going to be?

I was hoping through the seatmap one might be able to find out, but it doesn't specify a particular seat layout.

Btw, is the MEL-LAX sector going to be completely replaced with A380s next year or will some 744ER's stay on this service in the medium term?

Loran



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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5159 times:



Quoting Loran (Reply 22):
Btw, is the MEL-LAX sector going to be completely replaced with A380s next year or will some 744ER's stay on this service in the medium term?

I've heard it will be daily A380s by next October ish. The ER's will probably go then on more SYD-LAX/SFO and SYD-EZE and more JNB services.

It's likely the current SYD-LAX A380 flight will be daily by then aswell with the second one that goes to JFK a 744ER most days.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5145 times:



Quoting Loran (Reply 22):
Btw, is the MEL-LAX sector going to be completely replaced with A380s next year or will some 744ER's stay on this service in the medium term?

It's not yet announced, but I would guess that the MEL-LAX, non-stop, services, which is currently one daily will be totally A380, in normal ops, from when numbers 4 & 5 arrive, both of which are currently due in Q1 2009.

Gemuser



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25 MilesDependent : AKL? BNE? That would be a rarity. All the ERs are 3 class - does AKL or BNE have any regularly 3 class flights?
26 Amritpal : Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think ER's used to come to YVR.
27 WAH64D : No but they sometimes get tech stops when the oz-bound legs from west coast USA are suffering from unusually strong headwinds.
28 777STL : It is a rarity but it does occasionally happen.
29 BrianDromey : Can someone explain how the "pacific" and "kangaroo" configurations differ? Cheers!
30 Post contains links Nicholaschee : Kangaroo 744s have 4 classes - F/J/Y+/Y Pacific 744s have 3/2 classes - F/J/Y or J/Y (Some flights will be 4 classes soon as the 744s get progressive
31 Airvan00 : In addition Pacific aircraft have a larger number of J seats Kangaroo 747-400 14F 52J 32W 255Y Pacific 747-400 14F 66J 40W 187Y (unmodified aircraft
32 DJ748 : BNE has seen it, but not too often though. It came through on Nov 2, initially ferrying from SYD before operating the service to LAX. It was awesome
33 Boeing747_600 : What about FRA ?! I remember seeing a QF 744 there as late as Oct 2006.[Edited 2008-11-15 16:36:46]
34 Airvan00 : We are talking about QF744ER's a normal QF744 will be in FRA today as usual.
35 Wedgetail737 : Yes...it was the extension of the SYD-SFO flight during the summer and Thanksgiving/Christmas Holiday season. With the price of fuel coming down, I w
36 RafflesKing : what aircraft runs this route the other times? don't the ERs also say Longreach on the front of the aircraft?
37 777STL : All of the 744s have that title.
38 EK413 : Maybe this title will be passed onto the strong fleet of 20+ A380... EK413
39 Travelhound : Boeing web site: B747-400 - 216,840L B747-400ER - 241.140L The MTOW also increases from 396,890 kgs to 412,770
40 Vhqpa : One of the Ex Asiana/Malaysia Airlines second hand 744's.On a rare occasion it may see a Kangaroo or 2 class 744 but not under normal circumstances.
41 Post contains links Astuteman : The 744ER adds around 500Nm over the 744 at all payloads - see chart at link below, which is based on manufacturers data. http://www.airliners.net/uf
42 Travelhound : I don't know, I think the chart isn't giving the 748 a realistic payload / range metric. From my calculations: Efficiency increases over the 744 are:
43 Post contains links Astuteman : You would have to take that up with Boeing I guess - it's their chart. See p.12 of this document http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7478
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