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AA Closes CZM, Drops 3 More Routes  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

AA pulled MIA-CZM from OAG starting in January.
MIA-SRQ also disappears in January forward.
LGA-MCO ends in April.
ORD-JAX ends in April.

STL-AUS/SAT are reduced from 2 to 1 roundtrip starting in February.

These should be shown in GDS by Monday.

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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10834 times:

I'm betting ORD-JAX was dropped to free up some ER4s for other routes or to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked). MIA-SRQ and MIA-CZM were ATR routes; possibly to free up an ATR or two to go to DFW?

User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10796 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
I'm betting ORD-JAX was dropped to free up some ER4s for other routes or to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked).

I'm kind of surprised about ORD-JAX. There isn't even WN to MDW. That leaves just UA with 2 RJs and one 319 in the market. I guess CHI-JAX isn't a market with a history of good service, although I have no idea why. JAX/DAB/MLB have all had little or no CHI service back even till before deregulation.


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10706 times:

The thread title says AA is closing CZM, but isn't there still a flight to DFW? Or is that being cut too?


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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10417 times:

DFW-CZM is AA, MIA-CZM is AE.

Not overly surprised by SRQ, I think they needed a smaller aircraft for that route. But CZM I am surprised about! thought that route was doing well. Interesting... maybe they are looking at Miami-Merida instead?



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

AE has been flying CZM-MIA. AA has been flying DFW-CZM with a 738.

Is AA closing the station or is MIA-CZM the only route being cut?



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User currently offlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10190 times:
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DFW-CZM stays and MIA-CZM shows back on 12feb....... SO im not sure this is a permanent drop for CZM......

User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10097 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked)

Nope. The ER3s are replacing the SAAB 340s at DFW and LAX. But none-the-less, they are being shifted from the Northeast, the region they primarily served previously. Now the ERDs are flying a majority of the NE routes, requiring other a/c swaps and potentially route reductions/terminations.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9955 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
I'm kind of surprised about ORD-JAX. There isn't even WN to MDW. That leaves just UA with 2 RJs and one 319 in the market.

I think ORD-JAX was the longest ERJ route ex-ORD, so that may have been part of the problem. I've been aware of them leaving 10-15 people behind from time to time. Keep in mind, too, that while WN doesn't fly the route nonstop, there are generally at least three direct flights (two through BNA and one through IND-- it's been that way for quite some time). Right now, there are four direct northbound (the three I've mentioned plus one through ORF).



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

MIA-CZM is back 12FEB09.

MIA-SRQ being cut is unfortunate, but with the subsidies ending, it makes no sense to operate a station for one daily flight. The problem with SRQ is that one flight was working out, but two were not. However, with only one flight, the costs of operating the station don't make it worthwhile. It's too bad, but it also shows how AA really needs a smaller prop than the ATR.



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User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9907 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
think ORD-JAX was the longest ERJ route ex-ORD, so that may have been part of the problem. I've been aware of them leaving 10-15 people behind from time to time

Not to mention 25-30 pair of golf clubs being left behind as well.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9896 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
AE has been flying CZM-MIA

OW flies to CZM from MIA with ATR's. AE does fly out of MIA but only regional jets. CZM is ATR handled and is the perfect plane for that route.


User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9552 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-JAX ends in April.

STL-AUS/SAT are reduced from 2 to 1 roundtrip starting in February.

STL-AUS/SAT are already 1X if I'm not mistaken?

ORD-JAX- suprising-- this will make JAX, ORF, DAY and IAD all served via STL vs. ORD.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9492 times:



Quoting MrSTL (Reply 12):
STL-AUS/SAT are already 1X if I'm not mistaken?

 checkmark It's a nearly identical schedule... both flights are operated by AX and leave STL around 1400 and get back about 1900.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9492 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
It's too bad, but it also shows how AA really needs a smaller prop than the ATR.

Would some sort of relationship with Gulfstream be out of the question, at least for inter Florida flights. Would free up some more AT7s for DFW.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9070 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
Would some sort of relationship with Gulfstream be out of the question, at least for inter Florida flights. Would free up some more AT7s for DFW.

They need a more modern Jetstream 31! that prob was the perfect plane for many routes in FL from MIA like Naples, Marathon, Melbourne etc.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8984 times:

AA is making it impossible for people who live in Central/Northeast Florida to fly with them. The MCO-LGA drop is extremely unfortunate, but I can live with it. JAX-ORD was great to connect home to SYR with, but it's just not worth the hassle much anymore. AA, the incredible shrinking airline.

User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8635 times:

AA keeps shrinking and cutting and Delta keeps growing like a maniac!!!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8577 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 16):
The MCO-LGA drop is extremely unfortunate,

This was always planned. As I mentioned when AA re-added MCO-LGA for the winter, it was a slot-filler to keep a slot at LaGuardia.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 17):
AA keeps shrinking and cutting and Delta keeps growing like a maniac!!!

Neither airline is growing. They are both reallocating assets.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2241 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

OP: You need to be more careful with your wording, the title of this thread is misleading. You should instead say "AA drops MIA-CZM...etc" It would seem ludicrous that such a AA would close such a lucrative tourist market.


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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

AE badly needs some more 70 seaters (I believe Horizon has a few available) because there are many routes which are the right size for that plane which they can't fly now due to aircraft shortages.

User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

I am surprised that LGA-MCO was dropped. This is because LGA is a major airport for AA, and MCO is not offered non-stop from LAX, and MCO seems to be a big route for all major carriers.


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7299 times:



Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 20):
AE badly needs some more 70 seaters (I believe Horizon has a few available) because there are many routes which are the right size for that plane which they can't fly now due to aircraft shortages.

Not happening. The only reason they have so few to begin with is their pilot contract. Other airlines have clauses too, just generally less restrictive ones. I'd say AA needs 100 seaters before they get more CR7s anyway. An E190 would be much more efficient and be able to comfortably fly long, thin routes like MIA-BUF or ORD-GEG that either aren't efficient or possible with a 70 seater.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7012 times:

Quoting Laxboeingman (Reply 21):
This is because LGA is a major airport for AA, and MCO is not offered non-stop from LAX,

AA flies MCO-LAX daily.

[Edited 2008-11-14 21:59:41]


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User currently offlineAA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6433 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
I'm betting ORD-JAX was dropped to free up some ER4s for other routes or to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked). MIA-SRQ and MIA-CZM were ATR routes; possibly to free up an ATR or two to go to DFW?

Speaking of ER4's. I've been hearing a rumor that AA is ending the contract flying with Trans States (d.b.a. American Connection) sometime early next year. AMR actually still owns and leases a handful (about 10???....the original N600-N609 maybe) and leases them to AX. Is Eagle going the get those back next year? If you look at the operating certificate plastered to the cockpit door it still shows AMR as the owner (unlike Wells Fargo for most of their leased ER4's).

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25 STT757 : CO has 74 seat Q-400s operating from EWR, operated by Colgan Air.
26 LAXdude1023 : But they need 70 RJ's too. But it would be harder to fly a Q-400 from say IAH-YYZ. Props are a bit slower and have less range than most RJ's. Also th
27 ElmoTheHobo : Horizon could give American Eagle the CRJ-700s for free, but you wouldn't see them fly for them, as they are limited to 25 regional jets with 51 or m
28 STT757 : The Q-400s are great up to about 600 miles, after that the economics and speed of the Regional jet catch up.
29 LAXdude1023 : Exactly. Thats why I think CO is in need of some larger regional jets even though I think the pilots have it in their contract otherwise.
30 Jcavinato : I just did a round trip DFW-PIT on a regional jet this week. I don't know about any of you, but the seat really gets hard to sit in after about an hou
31 BillReid : Eagle was asleep at the switch. I talked with my contact at SRQ and they are totally dumbfounded. SRQ loads increased by 15% after the pull out of CO
32 Enilria : It's my mistake. I couldn't imagine it possible that they would cut flights from their "Latin" hub and yet have flights from DFW, so I assumed the st
33 JFK69 : JFK-AUA is going from daily to Tue, Thur and Sat. That sucks
34 MAH4546 : The route resumes 12FEB09 and is bookable in GDS. CZM is purely a vacation market, so it's not that odd. It was served from DFW before MIA service st
35 Jacobin777 : ..and we need AA (or MQ) to get some E-190's as well....but we know that's not happening anytime soon....
36 PanAm330 : Maybe in a few years the pilots will take the sticks out of their asses and let AA order about 300 larger C-Series aircraft to replace some MD80s (th
37 LAXdude1023 : Yet, AA has more flights to Mexico from DFW than MIA. MIA is definately AA's Latin hub, but for flights to Mexico, they would be more likely to exist
38 FlyPNS1 : On a side note, TLH-MIA will gain an additional frequency on March 2nd.
39 AS739X : And why exactly would Horizon just give AE some CR7's? ASSFO
40 Enilria : That's great, but it is deleted from OAG until infinity as of this week. I just verified with aa.com that it is no longer for sale. GDS lags OAG as I
41 LAXdude1023 : But CUN/CZM arent Caribean markets, theyre Mexico Markets. The only thing MIA would have over DFW in that part of Mexico is that MIA has a lot of peo
42 Teneriffe77 : Horizon might give AE some CR7's because they are trying to unload them and standardize on the DH4. Right now they are having trouble getting rid of t
43 Sflaflight : but CUN/CZM are definitely more Caribbean than Mexican. Most passengers going to CUN/CZM are connecting from the American east coast and it is easier
44 Cubsrule : I don't know that that's true; DFW connections are better to many markets, even on the east coast, and with respect to CZM specifically, an AT7 is a
45 Jacobin777 : One day, someday......
46 Enilria : CUN/CZM are in the Caribbean Sea and they are only about 100 miles from Cuba which is definitely in the Caribbean. I think LAXDude1023's comment is a
47 LAXdude1023 : Incorrect. I worked as a travel agent for a quite a bit, Cancun and Cozumel are in the same book with Puerto Vallarta and Cabo San Lucas. Thats Mexic
48 Sflaflight : The reason an ATR is flown is because AA is short on 738 at MIA, and when MQ started flying more at MIA, that freed up some of the ATRs so CZM flying
49 Cubsrule : Sure, but if MIA-CZM were a stellar performer and needed the capacity, they'd find a 738 to operate it. It's not.
50 LAXdude1023 : Then why not suspend DFW-CZM and move that 738 to MIA if thats the case? Fair enough. If youre making the point that people look at it differently on
51 SCL767 : You are correct; however, in MIA we just refer to it as Caribbean. Just like the Bahamas, Bermuda, and Turks and Caicos, all three of which are not l
52 Enilria : I'm going to guess the reason is that MIA/FLL has a cruise departing pretty much everyday to Cozumel and that takes all the local demand, but desptie
53 LAXdude1023 : CUN is a much busier market than CZM and has many more flights to the East Coast than does CZM. Only DFW, IAH, and MIA have daily, year round flight
54 Enilria : I don't know how recently you have been to CUN, but it really looks like FLL now. It is easily the most Americanized (Canada-ized, !!!) city in Mexic
55 Yellowtail : Remember too that CZM is a different market that CUN..it is a bit more upmarket (for those goign by air anyway)...... Make no mistake CUN, CZM and th
56 LAXdude1023 : Indeed. I like CZM much better. As Enilria correctly points out... Exactly! CUN is my least favorite destination spot. I much prefer CZM or ACA in Me
57 Enilria : You would probably still enjoy Riviera Maya. It is still not Mexican IMHO (except the ruins), but it is the same experience as Nuevo Vallarta. I like
58 LAXdude1023 : Im afraid im not quite rich enough to try BOB yet. Hopefully one of these days.
59 STT757 : What's BOB?... Filler..........
60 LAXdude1023 : Bora Bora, Tahiti- French Polynesia.
61 STT757 : Thanks. I've been to Riviera Maya, Cancun, Virgin Island etc... Maui blows them all away, my Wife and I were just there this past August.
62 Post contains links Enilria : I liked LIH better than OGG, but BOB was so much better. MOZ is great too, but BOB is THE best. I grew up reading WWII novels about the Pacific air w
63 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : LIH and Kauai is by far the nicest and prettiest place in Hawaii! I love it so much there! Here are some picture (if youre interested) from my trip w
64 Aacun : The hotel zone in Cancun was created with the lazy traveler in mind........ The ones that like eating the same food they eat at home.... drinking like
65 Enilria : The best asset is definitely not downtowm, it is the Mayan ruins...particularly, Chitza Nitza.
66 Yellowtail : Actually (to nit pic) it is MAYA SITE...ruins are for peoples that have disappeared..the Maya Are very much alive.... I was once told off by some May
67 Aacun : Dont misinterpret what I said.... Downtown Cancun is nothing to write home about. Its just another city...........What I said is that most people tha
68 AJMIA : So that would make Pompeii an ITALIAN SITE? AJMIA
69 Enilria : The dictionary doesn't agree with you. A "ruin" is anything that has not been maintained to the point of destruction. It doesn't have anything to do
70 ScottB : I don't know that CZM is necessarily more "upmarket" -- it just draws a different segment of travelers. People wanting to scuba dive are much more li
71 Enilria : You aren't including a bunch of cities in the East that have CUN. There are relatively few in the West by comparison. Also, the data shows that most
72 Aacun : Officially on sabre.. last flight 05Jan09........
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