COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11299 times:
I'm betting ORD-JAX was dropped to free up some ER4s for other routes or to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked). MIA-SRQ and MIA-CZM were ATR routes; possibly to free up an ATR or two to go to DFW?
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 10174 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11261 times:
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1): I'm betting ORD-JAX was dropped to free up some ER4s for other routes or to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked).
I'm kind of surprised about ORD-JAX. There isn't even WN to MDW. That leaves just UA with 2 RJs and one 319 in the market. I guess CHI-JAX isn't a market with a history of good service, although I have no idea why. JAX/DAB/MLB have all had little or no CHI service back even till before deregulation.
MIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10882 times:
DFW-CZM is AA, MIA-CZM is AE.
Not overly surprised by SRQ, I think they needed a smaller aircraft for that route. But CZM I am surprised about! thought that route was doing well. Interesting... maybe they are looking at Miami-Merida instead?
QQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2342 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10562 times:
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1): to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked)
Nope. The ER3s are replacing the SAAB 340s at DFW and LAX. But none-the-less, they are being shifted from the Northeast, the region they primarily served previously. Now the ERDs are flying a majority of the NE routes, requiring other a/c swaps and potentially route reductions/terminations.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 24479 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10420 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 2): I'm kind of surprised about ORD-JAX. There isn't even WN to MDW. That leaves just UA with 2 RJs and one 319 in the market.
I think ORD-JAX was the longest ERJ route ex-ORD, so that may have been part of the problem. I've been aware of them leaving 10-15 people behind from time to time. Keep in mind, too, that while WN doesn't fly the route nonstop, there are generally at least three direct flights (two through BNA and one through IND-- it's been that way for quite some time). Right now, there are four direct northbound (the three I've mentioned plus one through ORF).
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34580 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10401 times:
MIA-CZM is back 12FEB09.
MIA-SRQ being cut is unfortunate, but with the subsidies ending, it makes no sense to operate a station for one daily flight. The problem with SRQ is that one flight was working out, but two were not. However, with only one flight, the costs of operating the station don't make it worthwhile. It's too bad, but it also shows how AA really needs a smaller prop than the ATR.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2767 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9449 times:
AA is making it impossible for people who live in Central/Northeast Florida to fly with them. The MCO-LGA drop is extremely unfortunate, but I can live with it. JAX-ORD was great to connect home to SYR with, but it's just not worth the hassle much anymore. AA, the incredible shrinking airline.
IrishAyes From Israel, joined Jan 2008, 2539 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8056 times:
OP: You need to be more careful with your wording, the title of this thread is misleading. You should instead say "AA drops MIA-CZM...etc" It would seem ludicrous that such a AA would close such a lucrative tourist market.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2767 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7764 times:
Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 20): AE badly needs some more 70 seaters (I believe Horizon has a few available) because there are many routes which are the right size for that plane which they can't fly now due to aircraft shortages.
Not happening. The only reason they have so few to begin with is their pilot contract. Other airlines have clauses too, just generally less restrictive ones. I'd say AA needs 100 seaters before they get more CR7s anyway. An E190 would be much more efficient and be able to comfortably fly long, thin routes like MIA-BUF or ORD-GEG that either aren't efficient or possible with a 70 seater.
AA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6898 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 2): I'm betting ORD-JAX was dropped to free up some ER4s for other routes or to replace ER3s(which I think were going to be parked). MIA-SRQ and MIA-CZM were ATR routes; possibly to free up an ATR or two to go to DFW?
Speaking of ER4's. I've been hearing a rumor that AA is ending the contract flying with Trans States (d.b.a. American Connection) sometime early next year. AMR actually still owns and leases a handful (about 10???....the original N600-N609 maybe) and leases them to AX. Is Eagle going the get those back next year? If you look at the operating certificate plastered to the cockpit door it still shows AMR as the owner (unlike Wells Fargo for most of their leased ER4's).
: CO has 74 seat Q-400s operating from EWR, operated by Colgan Air.
: But they need 70 RJ's too. But it would be harder to fly a Q-400 from say IAH-YYZ. Props are a bit slower and have less range than most RJ's. Also th
: Horizon could give American Eagle the CRJ-700s for free, but you wouldn't see them fly for them, as they are limited to 25 regional jets with 51 or m
: The Q-400s are great up to about 600 miles, after that the economics and speed of the Regional jet catch up.
: Exactly. Thats why I think CO is in need of some larger regional jets even though I think the pilots have it in their contract otherwise.
: I just did a round trip DFW-PIT on a regional jet this week. I don't know about any of you, but the seat really gets hard to sit in after about an hou
: Eagle was asleep at the switch. I talked with my contact at SRQ and they are totally dumbfounded. SRQ loads increased by 15% after the pull out of CO
: It's my mistake. I couldn't imagine it possible that they would cut flights from their "Latin" hub and yet have flights from DFW, so I assumed the st
: JFK-AUA is going from daily to Tue, Thur and Sat. That sucks
: The route resumes 12FEB09 and is bookable in GDS. CZM is purely a vacation market, so it's not that odd. It was served from DFW before MIA service st
: ..and we need AA (or MQ) to get some E-190's as well....but we know that's not happening anytime soon....
: Maybe in a few years the pilots will take the sticks out of their asses and let AA order about 300 larger C-Series aircraft to replace some MD80s (th
: Yet, AA has more flights to Mexico from DFW than MIA. MIA is definately AA's Latin hub, but for flights to Mexico, they would be more likely to exist
: On a side note, TLH-MIA will gain an additional frequency on March 2nd.
: And why exactly would Horizon just give AE some CR7's? ASSFO
: That's great, but it is deleted from OAG until infinity as of this week. I just verified with aa.com that it is no longer for sale. GDS lags OAG as I
: But CUN/CZM arent Caribean markets, theyre Mexico Markets. The only thing MIA would have over DFW in that part of Mexico is that MIA has a lot of peo
: Horizon might give AE some CR7's because they are trying to unload them and standardize on the DH4. Right now they are having trouble getting rid of t
: but CUN/CZM are definitely more Caribbean than Mexican. Most passengers going to CUN/CZM are connecting from the American east coast and it is easier
: I don't know that that's true; DFW connections are better to many markets, even on the east coast, and with respect to CZM specifically, an AT7 is a