Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3707 times:
Quoting Web (Reply 1): MBS? Really? I would have thought FNT stood a much better chance of having (and keeping) a route to NYC. Is there just too much competition in FNT?
They only went into FNT-LGA because AA Eagle added it. I'm surprised they didn't drop it immediately after running AA Eagle out.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3601 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): MEM-ATL will also be dropped for January with DL code share providing the alternative. The NW Airlink flights MEM-ATL resume in February.
PARS is still showing NW operating both flights but here is something I found interesting on PARS.
5 NW3815 P F Y B M H Q V MEMATL 620P 840P E75 NW3815 OPERATED BY SHUTTLE AMERICA
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): According to OAG, FNT-LGA will switch to MBS-LGA starting in March.
Neither flight is showing in PARS right now.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3555 posts, RR: 30 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
Why is that surprising? Shuttle America is a DCI carrier, which provides lift for Delta. NWA and Delta are currently codesharing, therefore the NW code will be found on flights operated by DCI carriers. You'll likely see the same thing on the flip side.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3577 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 2): They only went into FNT-LGA because AA Eagle added it. I'm surprised they didn't drop it immediately after running AA Eagle out.
This is a common tactic on NW......They did this stuff to Reno Air when Reno Air started flying RNO to MSP.... NW quickly jumped into the fray and drove out Reno Air tyhen turned around and pulled the svc back out... Nasty tactics NW!!!!!!!!!! However, I am sure that other airlines are guilty of these predatory tactics...
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 28 Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
Flint to New York could have been fruitful, but with Michigan's economy going into the potty more and more each day ...
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Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3521 times:
Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 4): Why is that surprising? Shuttle America is a DCI carrier, which provides lift for Delta. NWA and Delta are currently codesharing, therefore the NW code will be found on flights operated by DCI carriers. You'll likely see the same thing on the flip side.
Because even then its showing in PARS as a NW operated flight, not a DL flight, the codeshare numbers don't show up for each flight, this one is uncommon compared to the others. It's main flight number is NW 3815. It would be like Mesaba doing ATL-COS as DL 6686 for example.
Quoting Access-Air (Reply 5): jumped into the fray and drove out Reno Air tyhen turned around and pulled the svc back out...
They were forced to by the government to pull service out of Reno.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7): Quoting Access-Air (Reply 5):
jumped into the fray and drove out Reno Air tyhen turned around and pulled the svc back out...
They were forced to by the government to pull service out of Reno.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3447 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9): Northwest was forced to pull out the Reno mini-hub due to "anti-trust"
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 28 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9): Northwest was forced to pull out the Reno mini-hub due to "anti-trust"
Whether or not you agree that it was "anti-trust", it was one of the more blatant and pathetic smackdowns by a legacy on an LCC that we've seen.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
Darn it, I actually used the FNT-LGA flight a few times. Normally, I am one to prefer mainline, (although I actually have a secret love for turboprops) but I actually preferred the 9E FNT-LGA over DTW-LGA.
The Monday morning NW DTW-LGA flights are a cluster #$@. You have to be Super-Platinum (or in the 2% club) to get upgraded, there is never enough bin space, and it frankly is the beyond the definition of cattle car. I much preferred the CRJ on FNT-LGA, it was much less chaotic, and I could simply planeside claim my bag. When I was on the FNT-LGA flights, it was full on Monday mornings, and full coming back on Thurs. or Fridays. However that doesn't say much for how it performed the rest of the week.
MBS is simply too far to be convienent from the Northern Suburbs of Detroit.
Runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2037 posts, RR: 39 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 13): Why these oddball Michigan routes to LGA anyway? Are they holding slots at LGA open with these flights?
That and the fear that airtran might have decided to invade the market at one point.
SNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
I just think NW enjoys defending thier turf. Simple as that.. It dosent matter how much money they loose, they just defend their turf real well. I hope this is an adding point to the merger.. DL could learn a thing or two..
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 15): Simple as that.. It dosent matter how much money they loose, they just defend their turf real well. I hope this is an adding point to the merger.. DL could learn a thing or two..
Youre suggesting DL adopts this strategy which you claim looses money?
Loggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 660 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3045 times:
Where is MBS? The mouseover thing doesn't work.
thanks in advance
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JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3014 times:
Quoting Loggat (Reply 17): Where is MBS? The mouseover thing doesn't work.
Saginaw,
it is officially Midland, Bay City, Saginaw International.
Located in Freeland
Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
NWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
Quoting Web (Reply 1): MBS? Really? I would have thought FNT stood a much better chance of having (and keeping) a route to NYC. Is there just too much competition in FNT?
Not really, but the route's LF was pretty weak (no idea on yield, though).
Quoting Enilria (Reply 2): They only went into FNT-LGA because AA Eagle added it. I'm surprised they didn't drop it immediately after running AA Eagle out.
I'm suprised it's lasted this long as well...
What happened was AA announced MSP-LGA 3x daily. In return, NW decided they would do DFW-LGA 3x daily. Before that could start, common sense took over, and they scrubbed the idea. Instead, they used those 3 slots to start LGA service from MSN, DSM, and FNT.
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12): However that doesn't say much for how it performed the rest of the week.
Not well, though my "source" is a look see in Pars and/or WorldFlight a couple of times a week...
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Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 13): Why these oddball Michigan routes to LGA anyway?
We have alot of oddball people here in Michigan...so we like oddball routes.
Really, talking about Flint Bishop airport, FNT draws from the northern Detroit subs. Its much easier to get to FNT than to DTW from Pontiac, Troy, Auburn Hills, Rochester, Clarkston and other Oakland county populated areas. Ya just do a northbound on I 75 and there you are...
FNT at the 116 mile marker. Auburn Hills is at the 78 mile marker give a take a couple.Set your cruise control at 71 or 72 and you're there in a hurry. Can't get to DTW even nearly that fast from Pontiac.
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SNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16): Youre suggesting DL adopts this strategy which you claim looses money?
I suggest that DL claims their turf, at whatever cost. IMHO its one of the things I think Northwest is best known for in the midwest..
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 21): I suggest that DL claims their turf, at whatever cost. IMHO its one of the things I think Northwest is best known for in the midwest..
I'd say DL does a pretty good job of this as it is. Its not like NW has a large, credible LCC hubbed at their largest hub. More often than not, theyre fighting other airlines off of are individual routes, which are more often than not RJ routes to spoke cities.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2524 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20): Really, talking about Flint Bishop airport, FNT draws from the northern Detroit subs. Its much easier to get to FNT than to DTW from Pontiac, Troy, Auburn Hills, Rochester, Clarkston and other Oakland county populated areas. Ya just do a northbound on I 75 and there you are...
FNT at the 116 mile marker. Auburn Hills is at the 78 mile marker give a take a couple.Set your cruise control at 71 or 72 and you're there in a hurry. Can't get to DTW even nearly that fast from Pontiac.
Lately that hasn't been the case with all of the bridge construction projects on I-75 in Oakland County for the past few months. FNT can be a crap-shoot during the evening rush hour, particularly so if there is a Pistons Game at the Palace, a concert at Pine Knob (never gonna call it DTE Music Center), or you hit it during the Friday Night Up North traffic.
I live in B'ham and the only times I've used FNT have been to MSP, LGA, or for Segment Runs (connecting over DTW). DTW is closer, and saves me an extra connection. If I were a little farther north, FNT would be more convienent but then the connection factor comes into play.
FNT pulls from a very broad area and its success is very much based on its highway access, and the location of DTW on the southwestern side of the region. FNT pulls from Northern Oakland County, Livingston County, Genesee, Flint-proper, Clio, Port Huron, Sarnia, Ont. It also pulls a ton of leakage from MBS, LAN, and even Northern Michigan due to more flight options and generally cheaper fares.
SNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2519 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
I'd say DL does a pretty good job of this as it is. Its not like NW has a large, credible LCC hubbed at their largest hub. More often than not, theyre fighting other airlines off of are individual routes, which are more often than not RJ routes to spoke cities.
Its not like SY attracks the business flyer vs. the casual flyer. NW and SY have coexisted for years and NW put SY out of business once... NW still defends their teroirtory better then anyonve I have ever seen.
The IND focus city is a great example. That place is a zoo in the mornings.
Long Live Memphis!
25 Enilria: Some more than others... Retaliation as mentioned above. No explanation of MBS-LGA, though. Loads were awful... Load Factors Nov07 AA 54.76 NW 35.79
26 KcrwFlyer: I'm not sure its fair to compare coexisting with SY to coexisting with FL. I understand running AA off, but why stick around for 3 months after?? Loa
27 SNCntry32: I think it is. In manyways, MSP is the ATL version of the north. SY is pretty big, they offer a pretty competive product at a competive rate. They di
28 KcrwFlyer: SY has 7-9 planes, 30ish destinations, only 10 of which are even year round (per their website) FL has 139 planes, 56 destinations. I think theyve go
29 DeltaL1011man: Because FL has almost 300 flights a day........does SY even have 100? I guess you could say it like ATL but MUCH small. SY around 100(thats a guess)
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