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Boeing And SPEEA Reach Agreement  
User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3527 times:

Just out on the newswires and have no details but SPEEA says they've come to an agreement on a 4 year contract with Boeing.

From Seattle P-I:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/387886_boeingunion15.html

[Edited 2008-11-14 12:23:32]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31239 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3509 times:
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Also announced on local radio. It's a tentative deal, but hopefully it will be approved.

User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 858 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3432 times:

As a SPEEA member, I am VERY relieved!!! We still need details, but this is great news.

[Edited 2008-11-14 12:45:12]


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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Dang! i was hoping they would strike...  banghead 

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3201 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 3):
Dang! i was hoping they would strike... banghead

Anyone hoping for a strike has the wrong view about things in life. Strikes benefit no one other than the media who cover them and the union leaders who justify their own job. The company and the workers suffer. What is even worse is the people downstream at suppliers that might lose their job or have reduced workloads. Thousands were layed off when IAM went on strike.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9190 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3178 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
Anyone hoping for a strike has the wrong view about things in life

I quite agree.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
Strikes benefit no one other than the media who cover them and the union leaders who justify their own job. The company and the workers

I would beg to disagree with that one. Once again the union leaders, they are elected by the membership to protect their interests, not justify their union jobs, a ridiculous view. A strike certainly benefits the union workers most times, sometimes not, but most times it is either surrender or strike. When you surrender, guess what?



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9190 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3168 times:



Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 2):
As a SPEEA member, I am VERY relieved!!! We still need details, but this is great news.

I bet you are, good for you and your fellow union members. A fair and rewarding contract, I hope for you all.



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3102 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
Strikes benefit no one

Correction they do not benefit greedy management. I agree employees suffer but not as bad as being exploited by a greedy management. Stikes are neccesary tools to keep management in line and are very useful, if management wanted to avoid them theres a simple answer; treat the employees as the #1 or 2 priority, not themselves


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3007 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 7):

Correction they do not benefit greedy management. I agree employees suffer but not as bad as being exploited by a greedy management. Stikes are neccesary tools to keep management in line and are very useful, if management wanted to avoid them theres a simple answer; treat the employees as the #1 or 2 priority, not themselves

Getting management to agree with the same principles that the union believes is the goal. If it can be done without a strike, then everyone benefits. Striking just to go on strike does not benefit anyone.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5945 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2940 times:
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Good! That means I can work massive OT for the rest of my life...or at least the next four years.

User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

CONTRACT AGREEMENT DETAILS RELEASED

http://boeing.com/2008negotiations/speea/index.html

Summary:
-5%/ year raise pool over the 4-year contract term
-OT: rate + $15 over 144 hours worked per quarter. Up to 144 hours/quarter is usual rate + $6.50
-Shift premium and weekend rate increased
-Quarterly payout of vacation balance over max, and immediate accrual of 40 hours for new hires, with regular accrual occurring the 7th month
-New health care premiums, as expected
-Pension rate is $81/month benefit for first 3 years of contract, and $83/month for the 4th year
-Use of contract labor terms
-some other small stuff


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5945 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
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Quoting Pianos101 (Reply 10):
-OT: rate + $15 over 144 hours worked per quarter. Up to 144 hours/quarter is usual rate + $6.50

Hmmm...that should work out for me since I have no life and live to work. 144 hours per quarter is easy for me.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

5% is great, but the rest isn't that much better. I'm not sure I'll vote to accept that contract. Overtime +$15 should be the standard and not exclusively past 144 hours per quarter. Not many average more than 10 hours of overtime per weak (except 787 and 748 people), so it doesn't benefit many.


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User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2765 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
Overtime +$15 should be the standard and not exclusively past 144 hours per quarter.

I agree (again, not in SPEEA but what you guys get usually flows down to us). I haven't worked more than 144 hours/qtr, but I can see that most shop engineers working 87 that are working 60+ hrs/week (~240 hrs OT/qtr) will benefit from this. I also think that the base OT rate should be raised to time + 1/2 for the starting salary (or time + $15 for all OT hours), but I don't think this would be a reason for you guys to vote NO.

I think the vacation hours accrual for OT hours was a nice request by SPEEA, but I knew it was never going to happen. Oh well...


User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2761 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5):
I would beg to disagree with that one. Once again the union leaders, they are elected by the membership to protect their interests, not justify their union jobs, a ridiculous view. A strike certainly benefits the union workers most times, sometimes not, but most times it is either surrender or strike. When you surrender, guess what?

I suspect the SPEEA types are somewhat less antagonistic and idealogically driven than typical trade-union members. However, self-justification and/or self-preservation by union leadership through the manipulation of the general membership is a frequent event in my union experience (long-gone, thankfully); it is not a ridiculous suggestion, though not a forgone conclusion either.

Good-on both Boeing management and its SPEEA union for getting to an agreement without a strike.


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2420 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 7):
Correction they do not benefit greedy management. I agree employees suffer but not as bad as being exploited by a greedy management. Stikes are neccesary tools to keep management in line and are very useful, if management wanted to avoid them theres a simple answer; treat the employees as the #1 or 2 priority, not themselves

Amazing to me...the only large companies making a profit in this ecnomy are ones without unions. (McDonalds, WalMart, etc) I would wager to say our industry would be a different place if unions ceased to exist.

A colleague put it perfectly: General motors is nothing more than a pension plan and healthcare provider, they stopped building cars when union members lost the balance between power and good judgement. Now everyone must suffer.

On a lighter note, good to hear this news, hopefully everything will fall into place.



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2315 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 15):
our industry would be a different place if unions ceased to exist.

Yes employees would be homless due to every industry paying min wage, how well do you think the employees of the companies you mentioned get paid? Not well at all, how well do the Execs get paid? outrageously well.

Quoting Manfredj (Reply 15):
Now everyone must suffer

Well at least management will to; though their golden parachutes ensure they make money weather they make a profit or not.

Quoting Manfredj (Reply 15):
General motors is nothing more than a pension plan and healthcare provider

Whats wrong with that? you want productive employees make sure they dont have to pay just to breathe.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5134 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2220 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 7):
I agree employees suffer but not as bad as being exploited by a greedy management.

It's not management that is greedy. In the case of Boeing it is the customer who is greedy insisting on rock bottom pricing and a whole range of services for which they do not want to pay. In that sort of market management has to be pretty hard nosed otherwise there is no future for the company and it's employees. Thus the customer sets what the shareholders and employees get in remuneration.


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2171 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 15):

Amazing to me...the only large companies making a profit in this ecnomy are ones without unions.

Boeing, Airbus, Southwest (profitable for the year, just not the quarter)...all unionized.

Tom.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9190 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2154 times:



Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 14):
However, self-justification and/or self-preservation by union leadership through the manipulation of the general membership is a frequent event in my union experience (long-gone, thankfully); it is not a ridiculous suggestion, though not a forgone conclusion either.

When someone runs for the union leadership jobs, they are like politicans, no doubt about that. But for anyone to suggest, hint, or imply that union people are going to be manipulated into a strike which threatens their job, well being for them and their family and for the purpose of someone holding their union job is once again ridiculous. I have seen Union Business Managers voted out after a strike, for perceived poor results during contract talks.



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User currently offlineFlighttester From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Voting NO, Strike YES. I am tired of the mediocrity (could use a break anyway).....

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