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New Runways Open in ORD, IAD, SEA  
User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13404 times:

Three new runways are opening for public use on the 20th of November. I just got revisions posted and......
ORD
9L/27R
IAD
1R/19L
SEA
34L/16R

all are now going to be open. I know the SEA has taken like 4 years IIRC but the ORD and IAD runways seemed to have been built in less then 1 1/2 years, can anyone confirm?

Also for anyone who cares, ORD has had all their star's from the West and South re-done, I am shooting in the dark here but I think the SAYRS2 is the first next gen RNAV star that has been decommissioned. I know its the first to be replaced by a traditional one.

  

[Edited 2008-11-15 06:44:13]

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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13261 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Thread starter):
1R/19L

1L/19R


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13182 times:

I am so glad for ORD...this should make like there much better for everyone.

Dave



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User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13153 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
I am so glad for ORD...this should make like there much better for everyone.

Especially on inclement weather days.



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2763 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12916 times:

The new runway at SEA, 16R/34L, is only gonna help arrivals in the air get down, but overall, if they don't build a wrap-around taxiway around the other two runways, it's not gonna help the problem but add to it, on liveatc.net, when listening in on SEA_TWR, at rush hour, planes are backing up so fast on the high-speed taxiways inbetween 16C/34C and 16L/34R, now add another arrival stream to get across another arrival runway, and get it across another departure runway. Approach doesn't know the condition of the taxiways unless Tower notifies them to hold, slow down, or create more arrival spacing, which means planes pulling off 16R/34L will be waiting short of 16C/34C waiting on tower to find a gab in arrivals, then once he's across, making a departure hold and let all the holding arrivals cross. This is gonna make things alot harder on pilots and ATC if they don't get a wrap-around taxiway, atleast around the other arrival runway.


No info
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5448 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12745 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
This is gonna make things alot harder on pilots and ATC if they don't get a wrap-around taxiway, atleast around the other arrival runway.

Well, that will take another 10 years, $2B, and will require bringing native rock in from central BC to appease the 17 salamanders that like it's color better than native Washington rock.

Oye.

-Dave (only partially tongue in cheek)



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12723 times:

can you post the dimensions for each of these new runways?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8278 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12479 times:
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Does any one have a map of Dulles Airport and its new Runway ?

User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12409 times:

Due to its location, the new runway at O'Hare will only help congestion if the airport is landing west. If they are landing east, it will interfere with traffic using the other runways and won't be used. None the less, I can't wait to lay some rubber on it--hopefully soon!


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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12397 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Does any one have a map of Dulles Airport and its new Runway ?

http://www.metwashairports.com/dulles/d2_dulles_development_2/d2_home



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12334 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):

I do but can't post it....... sorry. Just know its sorta far away from 1C/19C and the terminals.

Check airnav or something around 0900Z on the 20th, they should have the new NACO charts added.


User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12334 times:

I used to work at ORD about 5 years ago and out of curiosity, did they reroute Mt. Prospect Rd. into the employee parking lot or does the new runway pass over top, creating a tunnel?

Looks like there will be some even better views from the Target and Allstate Arena's parking lots now!



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4488 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

Here'a an aerial shot of IAD from late July, showing new layout. Sorry, a bit grainy:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z304/CitrusFlyer/100_1592pb.jpg

Jim


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9179 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12216 times:



Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 12):

Here'a an aerial shot of IAD from late July, showing new layout. Sorry, a bit grainy:

So the new runway is the one on the far right? If that's the case, IAD now has 3 parallels...



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12122 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
The new runway at SEA, 16R/34L, is only gonna help arrivals in the air get down, but overall, if they don't build a wrap-around taxiway around the other two runways, it's not gonna help the problem but add to it, on liveatc.net, when listening in on SEA_TWR, at rush hour, planes are backing up so fast on the high-speed taxiways inbetween 16C/34C and 16L/34R, now add another arrival stream to get across another arrival runway, and get it across another departure runway.

Use 16R/34C as the primary arrival runway with 16C/34C as the overflow and you will likely have plenty of gaps for aircraft to cross 16C/34C inbound to the terminal. Those gaps can also be exploited by ATC to keep departure traffic moving, with simultaneous departures off of 16L&C or 34R&C. The new runway will help greatly in SEA, on both low visibility and beautiful days.



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User currently offlineN93109 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11941 times:
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So, has anyone figured out whether the new runway will be departures to the North only and arrivals to the South only given the cross runway.

User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11401 times:



Quoting N93109 (Reply 15):
So, has anyone figured out whether the new runway will be departures to the North only and arrivals to the South only given the cross runway.

I assume you're talking about IAD.

I wouldn't think there's a problem using 1L/19R in either direction if 12/30 isn't in use.

If 12/30 is in use, then your theory is most likely correct, but it's not a terribly limiting factor because...

Looking at the field, I could see a four-runway pattern such as:

Landing 1C/R
Departing 1L/30
with 30 departures rolling between 1C arrivals.

They could also run 4-runway patterns on the 19's and 12, the 19's and 30, or the 1's and 30.

All in all, it looks like somebody know what they were doing - it can happen, right?


User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10996 times:

Does anyone know what airline/aircraft made the first touchdown on each runway (or the first takeoff)?

Curious if they gave the honors to the hometown airline (e.g. AS in SEA, UA or AA in ORD,....)


User currently offline787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10780 times:



Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 17):
Does anyone know what airline/aircraft made the first touchdown on each runway (or the first takeoff)?

I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 17):
Curious if they gave the honors to the hometown airline (e.g. AS in SEA, UA or AA in ORD,....)

Could be AS/QX for SEA but might just be whoever's next in line.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of tradition for new runways like there are water salutes for airplanes?



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User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 10685 times:

Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

Thanks. I guessed wrong on that one.

Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
but might just be whoever's next in line.

I suppose if ATC has a lot of planes to move, then it's probably first-come first-served. But I was kind of hoping there would be some kind of ceremony. New runways don't open everyday.

[Edited 2008-11-15 22:55:56]

User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9469 times:



Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 17):

Curious if they gave the honors to the hometown airline (e.g. AS in SEA, UA or AA in ORD,....)

Prolly who ever calls up approach coming from the east first. I mean its big news but not so much that approach can mess up his/her airspace for one airplane.


User currently offlineCharlib52 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 164 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 19):
Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

Thanks. I guessed wrong on that one.

Actually it was indeed an Alaska 738 (non rev):

http://www.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom.../ASfeatures/AS_20081002_150415.asp

It was the first commercial pax aircraft. The true first airplane on the runway was probably the FAA's flight-check aircraft

[Edited 2008-11-16 09:40:32]

User currently offlineCharlib52 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 164 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9335 times:

Doing some quick searching I also found an interesting and relevant link about Seattle ATC practicing scenarios at McChord AFB:

http://www.amc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123122920


User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2577 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9118 times:
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So what do you guys think will land first at O'hare's new runway? I'm planning on going thursday to take some photos.

User currently offlineSkyTaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

Here's a link to the Alaska Airlines 738 landing at Sea's third runway.

http://www.komonews.com/home/video/29775914.html?video=pop&t=a


25 GRRTVC : I heard a rumor that President Bush was going to be "opening" each runway on the 20th by being the first to land at each one with Air Force 1. And no
26 HAL : This may be a bit esoteric, but after reviewing the charts with our asst. chief pilot, I think there's a dangerous problem brewing at SEA: Once an ai
27 EIPremier : I heard (several months ago) that they were going to close one of the other runways at SEA for repairs and/or resurfacing after the new runway (16R/34
28 United787 : I wonder what the new runways at IAD and ORD will do for UA's on-time record. I think UA has a lot to gain here since those are two major hubs for the
29 Pliersinsight : I'd assume that the tower freq. is most likely too busy to monitor on the side, right?
30 AirframeAS : Uhmm... try 10+ years.... (Think about the environmental lawsuits and delays that contributed to the HUGE delay....) An AS 738 did the T&G's.
31 HT : That's been the ultra-long (16,000 ft) runway 16R/34L (still not pictured on Google Maps' aerial shot), bringing up the number of parallel runways to
32 HAL : It's not about the tower being too busy; I'm talking from the pilots point of view. I really don't want to be crossing two active runways without hea
33 FrmrCAPCADET : At least in the local papers being able to use two runways in all weather was the primary excuse/reason for adding the third one. Are they planning on
34 Tjwgrr : Probably an RJ since 9L/27R is only 7500'
35 HT : Pretty much long enough to handle a lot of bigger a/c types' arrivals. -HT
36 AirportPlan : Aircraft of all sizes will use ORD 9L-27R. When the A380 came to ORD it landed on 4R which is only 8,000 feet and only used half of that length becau
37 Ckfred : My understanding is that the new runway won't be used during inclement weather until Q1 of next year. The City got behind on the new control tower, s
38 Pliersinsight : That's what I meant as in, couldn't you, as pilot, put com 1 on the assigned and monitor tower on com 2 to maintain situational awareness...as to the
39 AAH732UAL : Not really........ one radio is tuned to ground while the other is talking to comapny, AIRAC, ramp, etc etc....
40 United787 : Are the runways open yet? Is anyone out there to see it?
41 Post contains links United1 : ORDs is... http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6515833 Some great shots of the first comercial flight to land on the runway.
42 EWRandMDW : That first flight to land was a UA 757. Had the fire trucks out and the local media was in full force.
43 AABB777 : AA149 was the first flight to depart IAD's new runway!
44 Post contains links Charlib52 : Plans call for the first plane to use the new Sea-Tac runway to be an Alaska Airlines flight departing for Denver at around 4 p.m. http://www.komonews
45 Mason : Departing? Interesting, I thought the new strip would be mostly for arrivals. I wonder if this is just for the opening, or if they plan on using 16R
46 Sovietjet : I wish I had known this information beforehand so I can go catch it. Either way a photo is in the queue of one of the first aircraft that came after
47 Apodino : Was just looking at the ORD plates. The ones from the west are still the same (JVL and BDF), but everything from the east has been redone. I am a lit
48 Post contains links Mason : This just in from KING 5, some great video of this historic day. http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...AB_seatac_runway_LJ.1cefdbf1e.html
49 Post contains links Eyes2thesky : Here's a decent video with the 738 kicking up dust on the takeoff: http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/MyFox/p...tId=7911938&version=1&locale=EN-US and a st
50 UA772IAD : Info about IAD's new 1L/19R On November 20th, Dulles Airport will open its fourth runway. On the same day, OʼHare and Seattle open their new runways.
51 HT : Thanks for the massive info / insights ! I never figured that it would take that long to connect these taxiways with runway 01C... -HT
52 Apodino : On a related note, in CLT 18R-36L has been renamed 18C-36C in conjunction with the new west runway under construction, that will be open sometime next
53 Acey : Thanks for the IAD info! Sounds like there could be some problems if guys aren't careful. And boy does CLT ever need that new runway.
54 Panova98 : Nice to see the opening of the new runway at IAD. Would be nice if the DC Metro extension to IAD would be completed before all of us, and the airline
55 Post contains images AAH732UAL : I can't believe I said west    I meant the east and south, I feel so embarrassed. Yeah the SAYRS (1 then 2) was started about 2.5 years ago when th
56 Post contains links Viscount724 : http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0812/05100AD.PDF
57 Egcarter : This was such a big deal (or slow news day?) that NBC Nightly News had a blurb about the new runways on the broadcast Thursday evening.
58 AirframeAS : Beautiful rotation on that 738 from the air, especially the flex of the wings!!
59 Alphaomega : Sounds like this was straight out of the presentation given by the FAA ATC guys at IAD to us earlier in the month. 1L/19R may also be closed for park
60 Apodino : I sure hope so. RNAV is the greatest thing since sliced bread for ATC and Pilots, and Airlines. Just for the record, other airports that have gone al
61 AAH732UAL : Yeah I know what you mean, I have been non-stop learning/teaching RNAV for like the past 1.5 years and it may end up getting me at least an internshi
62 AAH732UAL : PDX*
63 Aviators99 : Landed on 16R at SEA tonight, and waited almost 10 minutes to get to the other side of the runway complex.
64 Tjwgrr : Looks like the only one that isn't new or changed is the JANESVILLE FOUR: ORD STARs - Standard Terminal Arrivals BRADFORD FIVE **CHANGED** (southwest
65 Midway7 : Well, im no expert like some of you that posted recently, but I have to tell you, it was awesome watching ORD on flightaware last night and seeing tri
66 AAH732UAL : The BDF5 stayed the same for Jepp charts...... I wonder what changed in the NACO ones.
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