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Parang And Shak-shaks Of Caribbean Aviation  
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10991 times:

We are in the wonderful season of Parang of Christmas music, and Caribbean Aviation is celebrating.

News and Updates


  • Air Jamaica divestment is on slate for March 2009. The airline is however unsure of its next step if the divestment deadline is not meet.
  • Caribbean Airlines recieves its 8th wet lease 738, major changes in its schedule which will see POS-MIA, GEO-POS-FLL-POS-GEO, and some changes to GEO schedule.
  • St. Maarten is seeking to acquire Winair.
  • St. Kitts upbeat about BA's new service to the island. BA will start operating the Saturday flight to Antigua and St Kitts from January 10 next year on a Boeing 777 with 40 Club World, 24 World Traveller Plus and 216 World Traveller seats.
  • Bahamas seeing hard times as World economy has a toll on its tourism. Employees are being layed off.







    I want to thank everyone for the lively discussions on the board, I have my research paper to do so I will be mia for the rest of the month but will look on actively to make sure everything is ire.

    [Edited 2008-11-15 19:43:35]


All ah we is one family
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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2045 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Western Air's first Saab is now gracing the Bahamian skies:


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And rumour has it that UP is interested in some of the Saab 340s AEagle is about to retire...



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11019 times:



Quote:
From AA1818
BW is providing 25% of the market and maintaining a 80% LF. Further, they are doing this while providing a reliable and friendly service. BW is simply showing its ability to co-exist with AA and maintain a loyal following. After all, BW flies the route daily, AA at the time had 18w. I think it's commendable...and if you don't then that's your business! Perhaps you would rather BW produce results like JM and have a 35% LF at MIA. There's shame on BW's part for adjusting their schedule to MIA to ensure that proditability remains intact! I'm proud of them for doing that.

Take it easy bro. I am not comparing BW with JM nor downplaying BWs fight in POS. I am just pointing out the fact that in my personal opinion I don't think it is a positive situation patriotically speaking that BW has to fight up with 25% of the market. THey are holding their own, but to what extent. What determines "there own." Being Trinidadian and all, I would have preferred that it be more than 25%. But that is not so much BWs problem as it is AAs. AA is a huge airline with the resources to the simply dump capacity and market where they deem necessary. That is my point. Ideally it should be AA that is trying to hold their own, not the other way around.

JM and MIA, I dunno what is going on with them there, but then again they are also playing with the bigger boys the likes of AA etc, who apply similar strategies, in the case of Jamaica dumping even more capacity with an even greater variety of airlines.

I hope you see where I am coming from.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11026 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
JM and MIA, I dunno what is going on with them there, but then again they are also playing with the bigger boys the likes of AA etc, who apply similar strategies, in the case of Jamaica dumping even more capacity with an even greater variety of airlines.

JM's break-even LF at MIA is ridiculously low - it is under 50%. They don't need to fill those planes.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10964 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
major changes in its schedule which will see POS-MIA,

What changes are going to happen with reagrds to the MIA schedule? Timed for GEO connections?

Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
GEO-POS-FLL-POS-GEO

They also do a routing like this for one of the JFK flights correct? GEO-POS-JFK-POS-GEO?

Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
St. Maarten is seeking to acquire Winair.

From what I could dig up on the internet it is already owned by the Gov't. (or is it shared with other Gov'ts and SXm wants it all to itself?)
http://www.fly-winair.com/about-winair.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinAir_Airlines

Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):

I want to thank everyone for the lively discussions on the board, I have my research paper to do so I will be mia for the rest of the month but will look on actively to make sure everything is ire.



Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
They are holding their own, but to what extent. What determines "there own." Being Trinidadian and all, I would have preferred that it be more than 25%.

Yes I can see your point...but still given basically what BW is getting 90% of is the O&D for MIA while AA has 99% of the connecting traffic which is much larger than O&D in MIA, then I'd say that it paints a far more impressive picture for BW in MIA. Couple that with the fact that BW's operations into MIA are complemented by FLL, their market share increased considerably.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):

I hope you see where I am coming from.

I do. I hope you see my point above too!

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10917 times:
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"Bahamas and Russian Federation Look to Strengthen Ties in Tourism and Culture":
http://news.caribseek.com/Bahamas/article_71838.shtml

Passenger passes away on LIAT Flight:
"Authorities are investigating the death of a LIAT passenger in flight on Friday afternoon, airline sources have confirmed."
http://www.cananews.net/news/131/ARTICLE/31620/2008-11-15.html


Here is an interesting editorial article about BW re-entering the UK market:
http://www.newsday.co.tt/letters/0,89416.html


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10928 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
Couple that with the fact that BW's operations into MIA are complemented by FLL, their market share increased considerably.

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When BW introduced its FLL flight, it had to deal with NK's new daily service from FLL to POS, plus AA MIA-POS-MIA 752 service 11w, plus 763 service 7w. Come January 31, 2009, AA will revert MIA-POS-MIA to 752 service 2x daily. Not to mention NK still operating FLL-POS-FLL 2w; when NK started the route, they flew daily, then 4x weekly, now they have been operating the route at only 2w. So, the only one not cutting capacity at MIA/FLL is BW, which says something.


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10918 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
What changes are going to happen with reagrds to the MIA schedule? Timed for GEO connections?

Not really, GEO pax can still go to MIA but most would prefer to go FLL its closer to home for them. The 484/483 would originate/terminate in POS not in GEO, this is to ensure they have a better focus on the market. MIA is their second higest yielding route behind KIN the breakeven factor for MIA/FLL is in the 50s for CAL.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

While they have a breakeven factor 0f 45-48% or thereabout sometimes cargo can't pay for the pax flights.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
but still given basically what BW is getting 90% of is the O&D for MIA while AA has 99% of the connecting traffic which is much larger than O&D in MIA, then I'd say that it paints a far more impressive picture for BW in MIA. Couple that with the fact that BW's operations into MIA are complemented by FLL, their market share increased considerably.

CAL has a 60% O/D from MIA, 95% FLL, AA I believed from past had 80% Connection so its really the cannecting pax that AA has of. Most for them goes to IAD, ATL, IAH, LAX, SFO, ORD, DFW, South America.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10872 times:
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Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 7):
The 484/483 would originate/terminate in POS

Also, these flights will now offer rapid daily connections to PBM via POS.

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 7):
Most for them goes to IAD, ATL, IAH, LAX, SFO, ORD, DFW, South America.

And DCA, BWI, JFK, YYZ, LGA, LHR, etc.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

Good to see thread number 54 (is it?) up now. AA's ongoing success in POS will certainly be due in part to LHR traffic, now that BW demitted the route and the fact that for many years a 1-stop connection via MIA has been competitively priced.

It's good to see BW expanding, hopefully the new routes do well for it.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10790 times:

Great job on getting the new forum up.The Christmas Spirit is slowly getting into me at the moment.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
But that is not so much BWs problem as it is AAs. AA is a huge airline with the resources to the simply dump capacity and market where they deem necessary. That is my point. Ideally it should be AA that is trying to hold their own, not the other way around.

JM and MIA, I dunno what is going on with them there, but then again they are also playing with the bigger boys the likes of AA etc, who apply similar strategies, in the case of Jamaica dumping even more capacity with an even greater variety of airlines.

I hope you see where I am coming from.

I can see where you're coming from.

However,most of AA's traffic is connecting traffic,and it must be said that AA is one of the best carriers out of POS to anywhere in the US if you're connecting,because of their seamless connections.If AA did not offer the plethora of connections they presently offer,then I'm sure BW would have wiped the floor with them,strictly on the POS-MIA-POS routing.
So therefore,I would say BW is holding their own because if these O&D passengers were not pleased with BW,they would have gone with AA and BW's loads will not have that consistent LF of between 75-85%.My uncle who does alot of business in Washington is just waiting for CAL to re-start or I should say start IAD.I personally have no problems with connecting,but alot of businessmen,whether small or big will prefer a direct flight to their destination,whether non-stop or not any day.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10789 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 7):
AA I believed from past had 80% Connection so its really the cannecting pax that AA has of. Most for them goes to IAD, ATL, IAH, LAX, SFO, ORD, DFW, South America.

While waiting for my luggage at MIA (I usually have bad luck with bags comeing off towards the end) I notice that the bulk of connecting bags are to LAX, SFO, BWI and IAD. Not as many to ORD as one might imagine.

Also, I remember I counted something like 84 or 85 bags before I saw one that only had MIA written on it and didn't have a connecting city!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
When BW introduced its FLL flight, it had to deal with NK's new daily service from FLL to POS, plus AA MIA-POS-MIA 752 service 11w, plus 763 service 7w. Come January 31, 2009, AA will revert MIA-POS-MIA to 752 service 2x daily. Not to mention NK still operating FLL-POS-FLL 2w; when NK started the route, they flew daily, then 4x weekly, now they have been operating the route at only 2w. So, the only one not cutting capacity at MIA/FLL is BW, which says something.

I agree with you with regards to NK. They've cut capacity due to BW's competition, but IMHO I don't think AA's cut is due to BW. I think it has to do with aircraft shortages, yield management and the expected slowdown in the world economy (which is already in full swing).

AA1818



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10752 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 7):
While they have a breakeven factor 0f 45-48% or thereabout sometimes cargo can't pay for the pax flights.

But it is apples and oranges to some extent. The airlift ex Jamaica to the US is considerably more than Trinidad. How many flights does JM have out of Kingston and Montego Bay to Miami and Ft Lauderdale I am too lazy to check right now, but when I am spotting in FLL, I use to joke about the JM shuttle to FLL.

If JM continues with that frequency and so does AA, it means that the LF is not necessarily the only important factor.

Remember that you are talking about 1 hour 15 min flight thereabouts, so the circumstances are quite different.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10730 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):
They've cut capacity due to BW's competition, but IMHO I don't think AA's cut is due to BW.

AA needs to increase its yields in the POS market; and by placing 2 752s daily, they will accomplish this; along with AE's recent cut in capacity to SJU.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):
I agree with you with regards to NK

NK is currently focused on South America, and will start new domestic flights from FLL as well.


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10733 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 9):

Lol this is 55th thread. Its been a long time but we have eveloved.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):
While waiting for my luggage at MIA (I usually have bad luck with bags comeing off towards the end) I notice that the bulk of connecting bags are to LAX, SFO, BWI and IAD. Not as many to ORD as one might imagine.

Thats one flight but ORD is still a city for some trinis.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):
I agree with you with regards to NK. They've cut capacity due to BW's competition, but IMHO I don't think AA's cut is due to BW. I think it has to do with aircraft shortages, yield management and the expected slowdown in the world economy

Yep, NK is on the wall with their Caribbean flights, just look at KIN where they went from 2 daily last year to 4 weekly this year. BW is giving them a hard time with words like free bags, food and entertainment, its resonating with the West Indian pax.
AA however does not give up capacity to MIA, this is just a redeployment of a/c and better yield management. The same thing CAL did, they did not give up capacity but allocated for better yield management.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 12):
But it is apples and oranges to some extent. The airlift ex Jamaica to the US is considerably more than Trinidad. How many flights does JM have out of Kingston and Montego Bay to Miami and Ft Lauderdale I am too lazy to check right now, but when I am spotting in FLL, I use to joke about the JM shuttle to FLL.

Yes and true, they have 7 flights to South Florida, 4 to FLL and 3 to MIA, AA has 6 flights. But you can't compare KIN and MBJ, two different markets as we all know.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 10):
However,most of AA's traffic is connecting traffic,and it must be said that AA is one of the best carriers out of POS to anywhere in the US if you're connecting,because of their seamless connections.If AA did not offer the plethora of connections they presently offer,then I'm sure BW would have wiped the floor with them,strictly on the POS-MIA-POS routing.

Yes they are a good carrier for seamless connections out of MIA. They tried NYC 2 times and it never worked for them because there was no connecting market, pure O/D and if you talk to the average Trini they would prefer the local carriers.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 10):
My uncle who does alot of business in Washington is just waiting for CAL to re-start or I should say start IAD.I personally have no problems with connecting,but alot of businessmen,whether small or big will prefer a direct flight to their destination,whether non-stop or not any day.

There are lots of business to IAD with both BGI and POS, BWIA made yields on this route until everything went bad and the people prefered AA. CAL wants to go thsi route again but it will take some time to build, not like FLL where its the alternative airport.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10692 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 14):
Yes and true, they have 7 flights to South Florida, 4 to FLL and 3 to MIA, AA has 6 flights. But you can't compare KIN and MBJ, two different markets as we all know.

Come on man I am not comparing MBJ with KIN to begin, I am talking about the situation in Jamaica, with its very distinct markets within itself and other unique factors, and then Trinidad with its own. These cannot be compared, so talking about the LF ex Trinidad, and comparing it with a lower LF ex Jamaica, unless all the important factors are considered, the LF by itself cannot deem one more successful than the other.



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10685 times:

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 14):
Yes and true, they have 7 flights to South Florida, 4 to FLL and 3 to MIA, AA has 6 flights. But you can't compare KIN and MBJ, two different markets as we all know.

JM really has 6 flights to South Florida from Jamaica. 4 to FLL & 2 to MIA. Its just that the afternoon one JM 025 does KIN-MBJ-MIA. Also AA have 7 daily flights to South Florida from Jamaica - 3 each from both KIN & MBJ, and 1 daily from KIN-FLL.

[Edited 2008-11-16 15:16:14]

[Edited 2008-11-16 15:18:15]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10658 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):

AA needs to increase its yields in the POS market; and by placing 2 752s daily, they will accomplish this; along with AE's recent cut in capacity to SJU.

AA does not "need" to increase yields. POS performs very well as is, though of course AA will welcome any increase.

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 7):
AA I believed from past had 80% Connection so its really the cannecting pax that AA has of.

It's not even close to 80% connection.

MIA-POS is typically around 65% local, with the majority of the connections going to New York, DC, Toronto, Orlando, and London, and not much where else.

POS is one of the most local-heavy MIA-Caribbean routes AA flies. -



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10603 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
POS performs very well as is, though of course AA will welcome any increase.

They will increase yields on the route, and hopefully the OTP of 1647/1668, with the 763 taken off of the route.


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10502 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
MIA-POS is typically around 65% local, with the majority of the connections going to New York, DC, Toronto, Orlando, and London, and not much where else.

Thanks for the clearification. MCO, TPA and the surrounding counties have a good Trini population. LAX I know has some good connecting traffic too. IAD/DCA/BWI has many travellers.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 19):
Thanks for the clearification. MCO, TPA and the surrounding counties have a good Trini population. LAX I know has some good connecting traffic too. IAD/DCA/BWI has many travellers.

AA doesn't get much LAX-POS traffic, for whatever reason. Maybe CO takes more of it?

For AA's MIA-Caribbean flights, the general rule of thumb is that the less touristy, the more O&D.

Routes like SKB, LRM and BDA are less than 40% local traffic, typically. Though no route is below 30% local.

KIN and PAP by far are the most local-heavy, which is why they are also both flown from FLL.

[Edited 2008-11-16 18:11:45]


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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10477 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):

Must be CO, in the past I knew a good bit of poeple that goes to LAX when I was flying.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
KIN and PAP by far are the most local-heavy, which is why they are also both flown from FLL.

Considering that there is les than 400,000 Jamaicans living in the South Florida counties I am not surprise and the Hatian population is slightly larger.



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

Actually, when AA started flying to POS back in 1981 it was from JFK, initially with stops in BGI but later non-stop. At that time Pan Am, which had served POS from JFK for many years, had suspended POS (except for cargo flights) and AA filled the breach. AA introduced MIA services in the late 1980s (around 1987), followed by SJU in 1988 and subsequently wound down JFK from POS - this latter development followed its growth at MIA after the slow and painful demise of Eastern and Pan Am, both of which did MIA as well.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10334 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 22):
subsequently wound down JFK from POS

I'm suprised that AA didn't try POS-JFK again seeing how successful BW has been on the route. DL has certainly cashed in on JFK too ex POS. Perhaps another example of DL being aggressive in markets that AA either could have served or did serve.

Still no shots of the new 737. What is the confirmed reg. I remember there was some dispute as to whether it was in a T&T reg or a Netherlands reg.

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10301 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 23):
Perhaps another example of DL being aggressive in markets that AA either could have served or did serve.

DL got in at the right moment, they did not have to deal with the charters on the route. AA has never made JFK-POS-JFK work, and prefer to have their customers connect via MIA.

"Air Jamaica will not fade away, says minister":
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/trav...ws_id=12259&start=0&category_id=10

"EU recession to hit Tobago tourism":
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161402080


25 Yellowtail : Famous last words....whenever a politician says something like this it is because he knows the it actually will happen.
26 AA1818 : True, but I'm not saying that AA should have stuck with it. I am saying that they seem slow to the punch. Dl is very opportunistic, they started JFK-
27 Trintocan : AA did try POS - JFK on several occasions subsequently but it did not work. Latterly they have been known to put on JFK fligths at Christmas and Carni
28 SCL767 : Agreed, however AA would have used a 752, (if they restarted JFK-POS); whereas DL used a 738 3x weekly when they started the route. DL will now opera
29 WestIndian425 : Ah....the force is strong with the young Jedi. In terms of increasing capacity (more specifically using larger aircraft), it's rather difficult for D
30 AA1818 : C'mon guys, you're letting the team down! Photos of the 8th 737????? hehehe AA1818
31 Post contains images Caribbean484 : Here she is PH-HZN Thanks to Nigel Steel once again.[Edited 2008-11-17 15:42:36]
32 SCL767 : Nice, thanks for posting. AA1818 will be happy now.
33 Caribbean484 : Guys CAL carried 91,829 pax to MIA for the period October 2007-october 2008, an increase of 10% over the same period last year, with a total loadfacto
34 LIA310 : The reg. is PH-HZN
35 SCL767 : BW continues to enjoy a high LF on the MIA route. With 483/484 being separated from GEO, more seats will be available on the route to POS. Nice to se
36 Post contains links LIA310 : More Caribbean Aviation News: "Grenada continues to be a preferred destination according to BA": http://www.klassicgrenada.com/index.pl/article?id=875
37 Post contains links SCL767 : "Dominica power official dies on LIAT flight": http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Car...ies/2008/11/17/NEWS0000006580.html According to the Antigua and
38 AA1818 : Many thanks! Very happy...:D AA1818
39 A388 : All happy people Too bad the HV aircraft is not fully painted in the Caribbean Airlines livery. It would have been nice to see a Dutch-registered Car
40 SCL767 : Since the HV 738 is on a short-term lease with BW, it wouldn't make sense to paint her in full Caribbean Airlines colors. Especially when another 738
41 Post contains links SCL767 : Delta Airlines passenger speaks about the emergency exit incident which occurred at the Cheddi Jagan International Airport earlier this year: http://w
42 Captaink : They need to send some of that "preferredness" over to AA. But truth be told, if looking at tourism, Europe has always favoured the southern Caribbea
43 SCL767 : Europeans also travel in mass numbers to PUJ and HAV. And of course SXM and SBH should not be forgotten.
44 MAH4546 : Or, rather, luckily for American Airlines and Continental Airlines. Delta Air Lines, United and US Airways stick to the holiday-goers, as their sched
45 Captaink : Let's say that generally, Europeans and Americans have distinct taste, not always but generally, considering the fact that destinations like SXM see
46 SCL767 : SXM does see a lot of U.S. tourists, however they usually stay in St. Maarten. Most Europeans go to SBH and AXA in more numbers than U.S. tourists. E
47 Captaink : When I worked the once a week US flights in Grenada, it was actually the rumored next destination. But then things went terribly downhill for US afte
48 SCL767 : US Air recently renewed its exemption for POS; however, I don't think we will see them in POS anytime soon.
49 A388 : What fares do they have now? A388
50 SCL767 : Expensive fares; no more "netsaavers" to CUR anymore.
51 A388 : AA has always had (very) high fares to CUR. Let's see how they will react to Insel Air's entrance to the MIA market. A388
52 Captaink : I agree, with their current business model it not a very likely possibility.
53 AA1818 : Agreed- not gonna hold my breath to see US doing PHL-POS. Have the flight increases to PBM, JFK, YYZ and KIN taken effect yet? What are the loads lik
54 A388 : It has been spotted in CCS. There are photos of them on the jetphotos.net website. Other than that I don't know much either. A388
55 Inbound : What are possible ways to get from POS to HAV?
56 MAH4546 : Yup, that's what happens when they drop half their capacity despite the fact that both flights were filling up all the time.
57 AA1818 : POS-KIN-HAV POS-BGI-MBJ-HAV POS-CCS-HAV POS-SLU...UVF-HAV POS-ANU-PTP-HAV POS-FDF-HAV POS-MIA-HAV (though I think this requires a special Government
58 BW985 : I think this is probably the best/cheapest option on Copa, although it is quite a detour. BW985
59 LIA310 : POS-PTY-HAV on Copa is the cheapest and easiest way to go. Gate to Gate connections at PTY help alot.
60 MAH4546 : AA and many others fly MIA-HAV (and MIA-HOG, MIA-VRA< etc.), but it requires a special U.S. visa. No connecting international traffic.
61 LIA310 : For the past three-four days we've been getting constant heavy showers in TnT.....it was especially bad last night.......the Macoya Bridge collapsed 1
62 A388 : That doesn't sound good. I hope everything will recover and be back to normal soon in T&T. We have also had our days of storms and heavy rain fall bu
63 BW424 : Hey guys, Apologize for the short hiatus.Flew in to MIA with CAL yesterday and the flight was exceptional!!! I mean really exceptional.Talked to the p
64 A388 : That sounds really good! I'm looking forward to your TR and all your photos. The next time you will have to go on the jumpseat! That will be your nex
65 BW424 : LOL!Yeah I hope so.The purser was very comical over the intercom but I'll leave all the details to the TR.I had a nice chat with the FO as well.He th
66 Caribbean484 : Well they have to take advantage of what they have and increase marketshare asap, its in their plan to be aggressive in their second year so its payi
67 SCL767 : That's great for AA at CUR! I do not think Insel's entry into MIA will affect those yields. Not surprised, but at least there will be 200 new Mercede
68 BW424 : I know you told me that,however,when we entered the aircraft,the cockpit door was closed(I'm usually accustomed to it open),so I really didn't want t
69 Trintocan : Who flies between UVF and HAV? Also, a POS - PTY - HAV routing is hardly a detour at all. Just consider how people fly from POS to MIA to go on to SJO
70 AA1818 : It's not really a detour, but it involves flying for 2.5 hours which brings you no closer to HAV than you were when you were in POS. The Jamaica rout
71 Post contains links 2travel2know : POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) HAV (22°59'21"N 82°24'33"W) 304° (NW) 2626 km 2 segment path: 2755 km (+4.9%) POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) CCS (10
72 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Insel air start CUR-MIA 3w flights this Friday. http://www.miamiherald.com/business/international/story/778801.html
73 SCL767 : Glad you had a good trip with BW; I find that the service on the MIA route is very professional indeed. Concourse J is very nice too; especially sinc
74 A388 : Nice nice, I am glad to see our airline finally taking that step towards Miami again. I was not aware of the rebate to attract more U.S. citizens to
75 WestIndian425 : I'm supposed to fly to POS today and decided to delay my trip one day. Good thing I did! I just heard about the flooding and saw the pics.
76 LIA310 : And the Met office says that the rain isn't going to hold up for a while. We actually had worst rain today than we had yesterday.....I won't be leavi
77 Post contains links SCL767 : Good thinking, I heard it has been a mess down there; especially the Beetham. Some Caribbean News: The divestment of Air Jamaica will take place by M
78 Post contains links SCL767 : Guyana's Government wants to settle claims as Travel Span and Constellation request return of bonds: "The Ministry of Public Works is calling on all p
79 LIA310 : The rain hasn't gotten worst at all. There is more run-off because of "development" so there is nowhere for the water to go especially since the drai
80 SCL767 : Hopefully the dry season will come quickly. That's good news for POS. Also, the FAA had ordered a directive pertaining to the fuel pumps on the 737s,
81 LIA310 : Talking about MX.....the B738 that operated BW425 (JFK-POS-GEO) broke down this morning in GEO. The return flight BW424 (POS-GEO-JFK) has been delaye
82 BW424 : Absolutely maxed out!! I wonder what's there plan once the leases expire on the 738's in 2010.Personally,I think one extra 738 isn't going to cut it,
83 Caribbean484 : Renew the leases until the new generations of narrow bodies come and add more. As for new routes no completely new route will be started until they a
84 Beeweel15 : Are you on BW which flight are you on maybe we can meet.
85 SCL767 : When they receive the "9th 738", will it not really be the 8th 738, as the HV 738 is on a short-term wet-lease?
86 Caribbean484 : The 8th dry lease 737 will arrive next year, they are looking at a 9th but I can't give anything futher at this time.
87 SCL767 : That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure things haven't changed recently.
88 MAH4546 : At DCA's end, they were operating four daily flights to MIA on certain days, with flights to CUR, AUA, SDQ and PAP.
89 SCL767 : Interesting about DCA at MIA; I wonder if the defunct BWIA ever operated four daily flights on some days to MIA in the past. I know in the past they
90 Post contains links SCL767 : The Insel Air website is up and running; however tickets are not bookable online. Insel Air has also published its schedule and it doesn't look like
91 A388 : " target=_blank>http://www.fly-inselair.com/ Their website has been up and running for a long time and indeed they don't have on-line booking yet. As
92 Yellowtail : Eeeessh when when I fly from BZE to GCM, MBJ, POS...i have to go via MIA.....when I go to GCM it is like going MIA-MCO Via JFK!
93 Post contains links SCL767 : Caribbean Airlines cancels flight in Guyana due to computer malfunction on the aircraft: "Some one hundred and fifteen passengers were seriously incon
94 Post contains links SCL767 : Air Jamaica to be privatized by the end of March 2009: "The process of privatising Air Jamaica will be completed by the end of the end of March next y
95 BigMac : What's up with BW??? I had a pretty bad experience over the last few weeks. First on October 25th my PBM-POS flight was delayed by 4 hours (not as bad
96 SCL767 : BW is currently suffering from a shortage of crews. They recently wet-leased an HV 738; along with HV crews to fly the YYZ flights in order to free u
97 AA1818 : I thought the leases were up in 2012?? AA1818
98 TheFranco : Does anybody know untill when the transavia lease is going on? Some say till the end of January, others till the end of May. Since we don't have the
99 SCL767 : I would say at least untill March 2009; after Christmas, Carnival will be right around the corner. Thanks for showing such enthusiasm in regards for
100 Inbound : The wet lease should be until may/june 2009. Frank, if you come in february, you will get to experience Trinidad & Tobago Carnival....
101 BW424 : No,I think its up to 2010 with the option to buy after that. Well,I hope you get through with coming to POS to do a rotation. I'm really sorry to hea
102 Yellowtail : Posted in another thread "Both of Central America's leading carriers, Copa and TACA, are poised to join Brazil's TAM as new members in the Star Allian
103 2travel2know : I couldn't agree more. CM and TA in the same alliance is something that's just not going to happen. TA would go Sky. Oneworld isn't a possibility bec
104 Post contains links BW424 : Hey,guys,my TR on CAL is now in the TR forum.Hope you check it out. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/137403/
105 Caribbean484 : I agree with you, CM would have a better chance in getting in since its former major shareholder is going to Star. TA would be better off with Skytea
106 SCL767 : LA doesn't fly to Central America; and CM flies into LAN hub's at GYE, LIM, and SCL and would potentially be able to codeshare on LAN's domestic rout
107 2travel2know : I was talking about TA going to Oneworld. Highly unlikely since TA and LA have a hub in LIM. I really think so, unless when CM is in Star, LH makes t
108 SCL767 : OK...Yep, TA is not the kind of airline that I would want to see join Oneworld; in my opinion, I think they have a lot of internal problems.
109 SJOtoLIR : Don't forget that both TA and UA sustain a strong code-share agreement between them and this situation might not necessarily change if CM enters to S
110 Post contains links SCL767 : Government of Guyana to commence the second phase in development of Ogle Airport: "The development of the Ogle Airport entails among other things the
111 AA1818 : Socialism at it's best! Venezuela has so many problems, they are perhaps the biggest dissappointment of all oil-producing nations in terms of develop
112 JM079 : Well, why not say the same for what is happening in the US. Capitalism at its best. Wall Street excess greed. Banks and other financial institutions
113 Post contains links SCL767 : Chavez is spending his money around promoting his leftist agenda, e.g. sending a suitcase with 6 million USD cash to Argentine President Cristina Fer
114 LIA310 : CAL's CCS flights are always full nowadays, there is never a 40-50% filled flight, they are always booked solid ! They are doing excellent on this ro
115 Beeweel15 : Besides reading the bold letters he should have read the fine print. Why these folks don't make the same comments about AA always have to bash BW
116 Caribbean484 : The flights are highly profitable for CAL, its has a ridicously low breakeven load factor, and yes they are always sold out. :D The man obviously doe
117 BW424 : Such nonsense indeed.I too hope I don't come in contact with any of these people.
118 AA1818 : Was just on Insel Air's website and noticed that they fly to Haiti. Are there any other islands within the Caribbean that are linked by a non-stop/ di
119 SCL767 : AF has the daily milk-run routed MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY; also Air Caraïbes flies daily to L'Aéroport International Toussaint Louverture from SDQ and P
120 TriniA340 : I don't quite understand - What is it about a flight that can result in it having a low break-even load factor? What makes differing flights have lar
121 SCL767 : Most of them already left Haiti or are in "exile" somewhere; and the VFR on MIA/FLL-PAP mainly originates in South FL. And they take back a lot of "c
122 2travel2know : CM's PAP flights - too bad only twice weekly - are heavely dependant on Haïtian Higgler traffic. It's not that easy for Haïtians to get Panamanian
123 AA1818 : What sort of traffic is this capturing and where does it generally originate? I've always wondered whether KIN-PAP or POS-PAP could ever work. KIN-PA
124 BW424 : It all depends on the fares and demand on the route.Ok,so CCS has a low breakeven load factor of about 45-50%.That means,they just have to get 45-50%
125 SCL767 : Copa simply needs to increase advertising in POS. Especially the connections available at PTY. Delta is now advertising in the POS media, and of cour
126 AA1818 : The fare. If you have a 50 seater flight that costs 25,000USD to operate. And you charge on average 1,000USD per seat. That means that your break-eve
127 SCL767 : Don't forget Cargo, business contracts, and mail contracts can contribute to a high yielding flight's success with a low LF. AA has some flights to t
128 2travel2know : I can imagine that Trinis going Haj who can't travel thru the U.S. or U.K. would fly POS-PBM BW and PBM-AMS-JED KL, which may prove easier than POS-FD
129 Caribbean484 : The cost of operating a Dash8 per hour which includes the cost of crews and maintenance, and the base price you charge per pax determines the load fa
130 AA1818 : Oh ok. Cheers for that! While I personally have not seen any CM ads in POS, My travel agent informed me that people (who are not very aviation savy)
131 SCL767 : I don't think Trinidadians need visas as yet to enter the U.K. They would need visas for AMS if they had a long connection. I wonder what the break-e
132 Post contains links AA1818 : I think this flight connects somewhere- perhaps BGI?! I don't think LI does this non-stop, and Air Caribes who used to fly it has stopped some time a
133 TriniA340 : Thanks for your answers. I see now that there are many factors that contribute to a flight being able to break even. So with an in-demand flight like
134 Caribbean484 : At current prices its in the very low 40% too. Cargo takes these routes over the top, GEO and PBM are very cargo heavy routes. That information canno
135 SCL767 : Trinidadians would require visas for many of these countries, not to mention the language barrier. There is no direct POS-FDF, one has to transit wit
136 Caribbean484 : The main factors are the fuel crew costs, maintenance and lease rates/hr(estimates). Serious competition or not their breakeven load factor for many
137 AA1818 : Thanks for the clarification. I knew there was a one-stop flight to FDF. Do you know which South American countries Trinis need VISAs for? Peru is a
138 Caribbean484 : There was in fact a direct service to FDF from POS by Air France in 2003-2004, they service the route and code shared with BWIA but was not profitabl
139 LIA310 : Its actually a connection you make in SLU. You arrive into SLU on LI308 (POS-SLU-DOM-ANU) then you connect onto LI370 (BGI-SLU-FDF) about 1hr later.
140 AA1818 : Am I correct in saying it was either an E135 or E145? AA1818
141 SCL767 : Currently, Blue Wings Airlines, (a Surinamese Co.) flies between the two cities with an Antonov An-28, they use Zoorg en Hoop Airport, not PBM . Also
142 Caribbean484 : Yes it was an E135. I loved to see it in POS when I was at Briko, really nice bird and unusual since POS sees mainly 737, 757, MD80, A340 and AA 767
143 SCL767 : I think AF, (operated by Air Caraïbes), used the E145 on the route. I think there might be some pics of the AF E145 at POS in the database.
144 A388 : I think SCL767 is right on this, I don't remember AF operating a ERJ135 in the Caribbean but they did operate the ERJ145 which at some point also wor
145 2travel2know : It'd be quite interesting to see Trini tourists in Buenos Aires, Cuzco or Rio de Janeiro. Could then a BW Dash-8 make it POS-Ogle-Zorgeenhoop ?
146 Post contains links and images Caribbean484 : It is the ERJ145. View Large View MediumPhoto © Dinesh Maharajh
147 SCL767 : That's for sure; or even SCL for that matter! Trinidadians would have culture shock in B.A., you know what I mean... The problem with both airports i
148 A340Jamaica : KIN-PAP has been operated in the past by JM with 727s and JM Express with the Dash 8. I m not sure how well the flights performed but they were opera
149 2travel2know : Need "2travel2know". But if they don't go there, they won't know how it feels like. Are Trinis big beef eaters? If so, at least they'd like some of t
150 SCL767 : Some, although very few, travel to South America. However, I wish more Caribbean nationals would travel to Chile to see how vast and different the la
151 Beeweel15 : POS was the refueling point for those flights enroute to NYC and other points north. Besides BW how many other airlines fly between POS and CCS
152 SCL767 : Pan American also carried passengers and mail from POS to RIO, BSB, and EZE. PAA also operated POS-GEO-PBM-CAY-BEL route well into the 1950's. I beli
153 SCL767 : BW 481 had a seven hour delay at FLL, and the flight just departed for POS 15 minutes ago. I hope this was just an isolated incident. BW 481 will arri
154 BW985 : When Bwee started flights to PBM they used a Dash8 and when they switched to the 738 in about 2003 the flight used to operate POS-GEO-PBM for a while
155 SCL767 : The flight to PBM receives many connecting passengers from MIA, YYZ, and JFK. Also, BW carries a lot of cargo on the route and the flight is popular
156 Caribbean484 : Yeah they started the route in 2002 with the Dash8. Flights were always full and cargo capacity became a major problem. The 3 weekly 737 was introduc
157 Trintocan : BW has certainly done well with PBM and CCS in recent years. Insofar as CCS is concerned Conviasa does not serve there from POS - it goes only to PMV.
158 LIA310 : I believe it was an isolated incident as no other flights were delayed yesterday besides BW480/481. It must have been a MX incident. THE ONLY airline
159 Trintocan : On a note related to the discussion of Hajj flights, BA does not serve Saudi Arabia and has not done so since 2002. From the UK SV and BD serve Saudi
160 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : We have commented in this forum that El Salvador and Trinidad & Tobago are already analyzing the beginning of bilateral agreements that allow regular
161 SCL767 : That's great, thanks for clarifying. True, I believe Costa Rica is the only Central American nation, (other than Belize), that doesn't require visas
162 AA1818 : Absolutely, but I was stating that CM should perhaps do more promotion in the mean time. No sense waiting for two 3rd World Governments to get their
163 2travel2know : Panama issues Trinis (and Jamaicans) Touristcards upon boarding at departure airports (subject to availability) or upon arrival in PTY. As far as I k
164 SCL767 : I'm not sure but I think that T&T has now lifted visa restrictions on Chilean nationals. When I landed at PTY I had to pay 5.00 USD for the Tourist C
165 BW424 : PY is sending the B743 tonight.It's leaving POS at about 10:25pm to continue on to AMS.
166 LIA310 : Anybody knows why PY is sending the 743 through POS so often now ? Because the MD80 is flying at the moment, and thats usually when PY sends the 743
167 SCL767 : Maybe they are operating through POS to provide temporary air-lift to destinations beyond AMS.
168 AA1818 : Is anyone allowed to board at POS? It would be great if PY started up POS-AMS-PBM-POS with the 743 to pick up more pax in POS!! (We can dream!) AA181
169 SCL767 : Yes, PY can fly PBM-POS-AMS if they wanted; however these flights are just temporary.
170 A388 : It probably is only a temporary planning thing as there is very little to no demand between POS and AMS. Just a 'combining of routes'. Their M82 is g
171 2travel2know : I was thinking, How come it seems that PY hasn't done any Haj-related flights to JED via AMS from PBM/GEO/POS?. With the amount of pilgrims comming fr
172 AA1818 : DIdn't know they had the rights to! Glad POS is so open with granting Caribbean country carriers the rights to far and away places! Does anyone know
173 Post contains links BW424 : I doubt they are selling seats on the AMS sector.I'm sure its just a tag on considering that their MD80 is stretched. The return trip report is up gu
174 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Tought times for Caribbean Tourism http://www.usatoday.com/travel/desti...1-24-caribbean-ghost-resorts_N.htm It has been said that CAL will return its
175 BW424 : Really!!Well,if that's true,then it will be mid to late January!That's a considerable amount of time earlier than the original date.Please do follow
176 Caribbean484 : My sources are hard at work for the smooth operations for the winter, there have been some delays but mainly mechanical problems. But I will find out
177 BW424 : Actually,that is some good news.I really do hope they pick up more than one 738.
178 SCL767 : The MD80 isn't stretched at all. It flies PBM-AUA-MIA 2x weekly, PBM-BEL 2x weekly, and PBM-POS-CUR 3x weekly. The 743 flights to AMS are only operat
179 AA1818 : That would be fantastic. Perhaps bookings for the additional flights are looking solid. I'd love to know how the POS-KIN flight is doing? I could see
180 SCL767 : GND-YYZ and BGI-FLL aren't going to happen. When JM launched BGI-FLL, the route performed horribly. GEO is already linked to FLL with the new schedul
181 AA1818 : In my haste I made a mistake- I meant to type BGI-IAD....what are the chances of that happenning- allowing BW to open up a 'new' route while picking
182 SCL767 : The route would require a lot of promotion and advertising, both in BGI and IAD. Since AA cut capacity from IAD/BWI to SJU and MIA, BW stands a bette
183 AA1818 : are you implying that they will likely start another route ex BGI?? Any hints?? AA1818
184 Caribbean484 : They are keeping the 3 daily JFK and 2 daily YYZ flights. The 8th 737 is meant to keep the current schedule. GND-YYZ they are still looking at the vi
185 SCL767 : Think GEO...Just look at how nice DL has it on the route, operating with "incentives" from the Guyanese government. DL's high fares at GEO indicates
186 Post contains links SCL767 : Yup, I remember when I flew on the route when I lived in D.C.. There were even non-stops available; however, I do not know if POS-IAD-POS can operate
187 BW424 : I think that is when the 8th was originally scheduled to arrive.The 9th is still in the closing negotiation stages. While we're at it,any info on the
188 SCL767 : The BTA has been advertising aggressively here in the U.S. as of late. Other U.S. airlines also receive "subsidies" in order to maintain air transpor
189 A388 : The MIA flights are stretched as the aircraft is bussy flying the entire day. The PBM-POS-CUR flights are less stretched but the aircraft is planned
190 BW424 : The surprises are not limited to BGI I must say.Wait and see....... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!I have a cousin who recently started flying with them.Jokes right
191 SCL767 : BW will look at GND and ANU again; maybe SKB one day too. With a 9th 738, a new North American route could also open to either one or two of the foll
192 SCL767 : According to PY's schedule, they operate the MD-82 every day of the week except Saturdays. PBM-POS-CUR Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays; and PBM-AUA-
193 Post contains links SCL767 : Helipad to be ready by February: "A helipad being constructed adjoining the Audrey Jeffers Highway in Port-of-Spain will provide a proper northern lan
194 A388 : I agree in that their fleet is under utilized but it's not extremely under utilized. Their MD80 is well used on some days, while on other days it's n
195 SCL767 : When the PY flight arrives back at PBM from MIA via AUA on Friday nights, the MD82 there sits until Sunday evening. PY used to fly PBM-POS-AUA on Sun
196 9YCAL : There's a PBM/POS/CUR/POS/PBM flight on Sunday mornings.
197 A388 : We have a PY flight on sunday so the aircraft can't be sitting in PBM until the evening that day. But yes, I can imagine PY needs newer aircraft. A38
198 AA1818 : Great to hear the pace of expansion has picked up at CAL despite the world economic downturn. The GEO Gov't should not have given DL any incentives-
199 SCL767 : You are correct; however the MD82 spends a lot of idle time at CUR. Then BW would have had a monopoly at GEO; causing more air transport problems. We
200 A388 : Thanks for the schedule SCL767. However, the above schedule doesn't match on sundays as their MD80 arrives in PBM from CUR at 11:59PM while that same
201 SCL767 : PY's schedule seems to be all over the place, I looked at the month of January and this was the schedule. The a/c does spend a lot of time at CUR ind
202 Post contains links SCL767 : "American Airlines resumes daily flights to Nevis": "American Airlines was slated to resume its daily flights to and from Nevis later on Tuesday. Chie
203 BW424 : Yeah I know,however,there hasn't been much talk about them.Are they still on track to come next year? Don't worry,the wait will be worth it. Yes,if a
204 SCL767 : That should be very interesting...Lots of training going on and I assume that some Dash-8 Captains are moving up to the 738s. Since BW is the defacto
205 Bw415 : I don't feel like sifting through to find other related posts that are like this from other users, so don't think this is only for you 424... but I w
206 SCL767 : Yes, this should provide BW with consistent high yielding passengers on 484/483. PY PBM-AUA-MIA schedule is only 2x weekly, and BW's daily flight is
207 Caribbean484 : I am sorry my friend but I have friends at the helm of the airline that share info with me and they too also watch this forum and yes many of the inf
208 SCL767 : BW should be on the GEO-JFK route already; DL is consistently gaining market-share in the GEO market to BW's detriment. I just hope that BW doesn't c
209 Caribbean484 : DL is not taking away any market share from them I can assure you that much. What I cannot assure you is which airport they would operate in the DCA.
210 SCL767 : DL typically doesn't do to well in South America; and the GEO route is a stellar performer for DL. The 763 being deployed on Sundays shows how well t
211 Caribbean484 : When I said DCA I did not mean Reagen airport, but the DC area and yes IAD would be a better performer but the West Indian population lives in the st
212 Bw415 : That was actually my point. Say what you can give and leave it at that.. dropping hints and being coy is pointless and at best delightfully juvenile.
213 Caribbean484 : Its not, they provide a certain amount of seats on the 424/425 and those seats were all taken up way before DL decided to run the Sunday 763 to JFK.
214 SCL767 : Hopefully by next summer, or even sooner, DL will face some competition on the route. Increased cargo yields only serve to secure DL's success on the
215 Caribbean484 : They had it every Summer. Usually they would have 4 weekly via BGI and ANU, then someone went with the bright idea of cutting ANU and inclue TAB. But
216 SCL767 : Yes, I remember it was IAD-ANU-POS 2x weekly and IAD-BGI-POS 2x weekly. I really didn't understand the TAB routing though, and found it annoying. I e
217 Caribbean484 : Yesh it was run Tues, Thursday, Sat, Sun. They started the route with the leased 73G in 1999, then when the a/c left they did it with the MD80. Durin
218 BW985 : I don't know if it is true, but when BWIA used to serve BWI airport, I heard that the airport asked them to change their name because of the confusio
219 Caribbean484 : There was a confusion also on a.net when there was a post that said BWIA will be closed on December 31st. Many on the forum thought that Baltimore/Wa
220 SCL767 : Some U.S. airline employees still think Bwee is flying; they don't know that it been dissolved and replaced by Caribbean. I never flew out of IAD on
221 Caribbean484 : The MD83 was used from March to June of 2000 when the airline was renewing its fleet. Since the 73G lease was out the MD80 was used then as 2 more 73
222 SCL767 : Interesting, I moved to D.C. in 2002 so it was a 738 dedicated flight back then. Maybe 3x weekly could work to start the route with; if BW decides to
223 Trintocan : BW did BOS back in the mid 1980s with the MD83. The flight called at BGI along the way. At that time it also served BWI and hence the partial confusio
224 SCL767 : Thanks for the clarification. So the current BW still holds the route exemptions it inherited from BWIA to fly to and from POS and Intermidiate Point
225 Caribbean484 : Yes the route was cut in the late 80's and the airline focused on JFK, MIA and YYZ in NA. Yes they hold those permanent route exemptions from BWIA da
226 A388 : When I was leaving JFK back in 1989 we departed on LM's M82 in the early morning. When boarding the aircraft via those buses on the ramp I saw two BW
227 BW424 : I can see where you're coming from Bw415.However,alot of plans are sometimes in the very early stages and it would be wrong to give away those plans/
228 Post contains links Beeweel15 : Well the BW flights were : BW425 - JFK-BGI-POS-GEO BW427 - JFK-POS - Depending on the day via ANU , UVF , GND La Tur - I was the ramp supervisor for
229 Post contains links Caribbean484 : The new forum is up and running guys http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4227584/
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