Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Any Hope For GYY?  
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Well about a few months ago, GYY looked to be in pretty good shape(ish). They were looking at having about 4 potential airlines (Skybus,Cape Air, Viva Aerobus, MetJet) coming to the airport. One of these actually showed up, then closed shop a few weeks later (Skybus). Viva Aerobus never showed up, and nobody knows if they ever will, or if GYY will ever build a customs facility. Cape Air has talked about coming to GYY (talks of Fall 2008) to provide GYY-IND, and that hasn't happened yet. And MetJet? Well this broken link for their website shows where that start-up idea went.. http://www.metjet.net/index.html.

Anyway, my question is, other than maybe Viva Aerobus finally getting the ball rolling, is there any real hope for this once promising airport which was to receive govt. funding to become the 3rd official airport of Chicago?


If Your not pissed, your not trying
41 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3146 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Thread starter):
Well this broken link for their website shows where that start-up idea went.. http://www.metjet.net/index.html.

Its actually http://www.metjet.net/ that will work. And to answer your question No there is no hope sorry. The only thing you can hope for is G4


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

No, Obama, an extended runway and mass transit connections aren't going to help so long as there's an ongoing economic slowdown, coupled with industry contraction, and GYY's inability to market itself properly.

I don't foresee any of the majors doing business at GYY so long as MDW and ORD are in the neighborhood (the legacies' continued attempts to set up shop at MDW haven't worked).

IMO, if GYY were smart, they'd get cozy with USA 3000, Champion, Allegiant, Sun Country - anyone that Apple Vacations contracts for vacation charters and establish GYY as a "vacation hub" for the Chicago area. As I've mentioned in earlier threads, GYY would also be wise to work with the Indiana-based casinos (down the street in Gary), Indiana Dunes, outlet mall in Michigan City, and even the college football HoF in South Bend to offer packages to get people to the area on charters, using GYY as the destination airport.

Until then, I don't see anything changing.

777fan



DC-8 61/63/71 DC-9-30/50 MD-80/82/83 DC-10-10/30 MD-11 717 721/2 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 741/2/4 752 762/3 777 A306/319/20/33 AT
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

With things being as they are, GYY is going to have to hope that an existing carrier like Allegiant or a marketer like Direct Air decides to start regular service. I wouldn't expect a start up carrier to serve the airport period.

As for MetJet, I personally wouldn't hold my breath there. There's skepticism in various quarters (Not just here) about this airline. The guy behind it has been trying to get this airline off of the ground for over five years now and the plans have changed several times (At one point, he was proposing a hub out of AHN to various cities.). I believe the plan now is out of GRB. From the way it looks like now, it's going to be something like Direct Air, where another airline is contracted to provide service on their behalf.

The problem with a third Chicago area airport right now is that with airlines cutting domestic service and the economy in general, there may not be a need to make GYY or even RFD the third airport. Even in Las Vegas the Ivanpah Airport project is being shelved for the foreseeable future due to flight cuts (and there are even calls for the new terminal @ LAS to be shelved for the next few years), in Atlanta, the new International Terminal may be shelved until the economy betters because they're having trouble getting any buyers for the bonds they're issuing to back the project.


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

There is hope. Stay tuned...there are some wheels turning in the background. Nothing should be rushed in a bad economy, but there is a solid chance of GYY service by 2Q 2009 (60% chance). There is an outside chance of 1Q 2009 (about 25%).

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
they'd get cozy with USA 3000, Champion, Allegiant, Sun Country

Champion shut down May 31, 2008
Sun Country is an Chapter 11 bankruptcy - Oct 6, 2008


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 5):
Champion shut down May 31, 2008
Sun Country is an Chapter 11 bankruptcy - Oct 6, 2008

So be it - the point was to advocate touting GYY as an Apple Vacation hub, regardless or who's flying the charters. So long as it has a reputable backing, it probably won't matter whose colors are on the tail.

Quoting JA (Reply 4):
but there is a solid chance of GYY service by 2Q 2009 (60% chance). There is an outside chance of 1Q 2009 (about 25%).

What are these numbers based on?! There's a 98% chance I don't believe you!


777fan



DC-8 61/63/71 DC-9-30/50 MD-80/82/83 DC-10-10/30 MD-11 717 721/2 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 741/2/4 752 762/3 777 A306/319/20/33 AT
User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3025 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 6):
What are these numbers based on?! There's a 98% chance I don't believe you!

I fully understand why you would not believe me and that is ok. I am just some guy behind a computer. You do not see the map to my left complete with the absolute lowest fares offered in these markets and the sheet of seat costs to my right with all of the markets that are under consideration. Again, it is not a guarantee as all of this paperwork would mean nothing should the economic situation worsen too quickly. At this point, the issue is entry strategy. There is one school of thought that states that you should allow at least 4 months to let the advertising marinate, improving initial loads. The other says that a certain Delta buries you quickly if you give them 4 months notice and this should be cut in half to get people to book right away. I am leaning towards the latter.

GYY will be a spoke off of a focus city initially. Marketing is going to be very very critical.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2996 times:



Quoting JA (Reply 7):
You do not see the map to my left complete with the absolute lowest fares offered in these markets and the sheet of seat costs to my right with all of the markets that are under consideration. Again, it is not a guarantee as all of this paperwork would mean nothing should the economic situation worsen too quickly.

Well, I'm pretty sure that it's going to be tough to beat the $10 fares (albeit a handful on each flight) that Skybus offered. More importantly, it'll be difficult to deal with WN's fares and destination offerings from MDW. Yes, I know that some consider GYY to be a separate market altogether but in reality, that's a tough sell. If that were the case, GYY would already house sustainable service. Fact of the matter is, people are still willing to drive to MDW or even ORD when needed. Like it or not, GYY will struggle to match up against either or both and in order to be taken seriously, IMO, needs to carve its own niche before it tries to take on its neighbors.

777fan



DC-8 61/63/71 DC-9-30/50 MD-80/82/83 DC-10-10/30 MD-11 717 721/2 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 741/2/4 752 762/3 777 A306/319/20/33 AT
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2953 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
As I've mentioned in earlier threads, GYY would also be wise to work with the Indiana-based casinos (down the street in Gary), Indiana Dunes, outlet mall in Michigan City, and even the college football HoF in South Bend to offer packages to get people to the area on charters, using GYY as the destination airport.

Agreed; I realize the weather is nicer in some other spots, but there are plenty of cities that have very little beyond casinos and yet support casino charters.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
IMO, if GYY were smart, they'd get cozy with USA 3000, Champion, Allegiant, Sun Country - anyone that Apple Vacations contracts for vacation charters and establish GYY as a "vacation hub" for the Chicago area.

I don't think this is as good an idea. The fact that U5 (and NK, though they're a scheduled carrier) put up with the mess at ORD in order to have their Chicago service there suggests that they're drawing a lot of traffic from points north and northwest. One interesting exception would be if a fourth carrier wants to start service to CUN; I don't believe that GYY is "Chicago" for purposes of the US-Mexico bilateral, so it would be a nice backdoor way for someone else to get in to that market if they were interested.

I do think that GYY can support some minimal level of service to large hubs, at, say, 75% of the level of service that MDW receives. Conservatively, GYY is the most convenient airport for 800,000 to 1,000,000 people. If you plop a market of that size in the middle of a cornfield somewhere, you have Dayton or Des Moines.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2929 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
One interesting exception would be if a fourth carrier wants to start service to CUN;

But also, U5 is now offering service from MKE-CUN, PUJ, RSW and other warm destinations again. Would U5 even have the number of planes to do GYY even if they wanted to??



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 10):
Would U5 even have the number of planes to do GYY even if they wanted to??

U5 holds a Chicago-Cancun authority, IIRC. It would have to be someone like F9 (who I doubt would be interested).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2907 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
It would have to be someone like F9 (who I doubt would be interested).

F9 does MDW-CUN already anyway as a charter. And just a thought, FL is also doing MKE-CUN charters for Ryan International this year.



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2899 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 8):
Well, I'm pretty sure that it's going to be tough to beat the $10 fares (albeit a handful on each flight) that Skybus offered.

I'm not interested in "beating" such a stupid idea. The fewer teaser fares you give away, the lower that all of your tickets can be on average without shooting yourself in the foot.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 8):
Like it or not, GYY will struggle to match up against either or both and in order to be taken seriously, IMO, needs to carve its own niche before it tries to take on its neighbors.

You are right, which is why I have decided to make it a spoke and not a hub on day 1. The word has to get out about Gary first.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
I do think that GYY can support some minimal level of service to large hubs, at, say, 75% of the level of service that MDW receives.

50-75% sounds about right. Most of the airlines are all trying to pile into O'Hare and that is going to bite them performance-wise.


User currently offlineMetJetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

The plan for MetJet has changed. I am working with three companies that are potentially interested in the offering designed to suplement service into underserviced cities that their companies are based in. That is the reason that you see AHN and GRB.

I have just completed my thesis that I am using for my master's from Cranfield (a school known for birthing innovative airline/aerosapace ideas. This finalization really represents the locking down of the service offering for the company.

As for being a long shot...it certainly is. I am a common guy that has been trying to raise money to expand service into these markets that need it. I wouldnt count me down and out, yet, as I am pretty persistent. I also know the opinions on the company and I appreciate the conversation about MetJet. In my opinion innovation and new ideas drive this industry, and I have a ton of ideas.

In relation to the string, I am still keeping my eye on GYY, and hope to bring something to the airport. In one of the three proposals that I have, Gary would be a very big benefit as the company has offices in Gary, and right outside Union Station (the station that the train line by GYY goes to).


User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2852 times:



Quoting MetJetCEO (Reply 14):
The plan for MetJet has changed. I am working with three companies that are potentially interested in the offering designed to suplement service into underserviced cities that their companies are based in. That is the reason that you see AHN and GRB.

How many different variations/business plans has this mythical airline come up with? The website tells me zero information outside of a list of potential cities, none of which would probably support a start-up. Why would any reasonably, allegedly educated person invest money in a start-up airline in today's economic morass? If Skybus was a bad idea when the economy was more stable. ANY startup today is insanity. Wouldn't it just be easier to take your money and run it though a paper shredder? It would be much faster, you'd lose the money regardless, and you would not allow the suffering of hiring hopeful employees to a venture that is doomed to failure. There has not been a successful startup since JetBlue and there likely won't be one for years. The industry is shrinking, people aren't flying as much. Gas can go to 2 cents a barrel and this is still a bad, bad idea. As for GYY, it's likely it's proximity to the two Chicagoland airports, convenient or not, will likely doom if from anything more than charter service. If by some wild stretch Peotone (or wherever) gets built, then GYY can most definitely kiss scheduled service goodbye.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2847 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 15):
If by some wild stretch Peotone (or wherever) gets built, then GYY can most definitely kiss scheduled service goodbye.

Why would Peotone be more successful than GYY? It's arguably worse-located.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMetJetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

It comes down to scheduling. In every instance, there is rotation that starts in one city, bound for a first desination and then continues onto a second destination. By utilizing this type of scheduling, each outbound flight from city one will contain passengers bound for des. 1 and des 2. Likewise at des 1 passengers for that city will get off and new passengers bound for des 2 will get on. The trick is to make destination 2 a larger city or destination market It is very similar to the priocess that Southwest uses to fill aircraft from smaller markets.
In these instances, passengers that originate from these cities are used to connections with long layovers, and when asked in surveys would not mind "direct" service where they dont have to change planes. If they opt to not fly from that airport they spend a great deal of time commuting to larger airports.

For the MetJet plan, it is not so much about ticket cost (I assure you there will not be $10 fares), but it is about bringing service to larger cities that has passengers that are hungry for service.

Green Bay has approximately 800K people within 50 miles. Athens is ideal as the growth of the city is on the NE side of the city and not towards Macon. In all honesty, I would prefer to use Lawrenceville, but in the long term there would be no room for airport growth. AHN is in the middle of an area that would allow it to expand. Other markets that I see potential for are Worcester, Henderson, NV, Greenville, Charleston, Savannah and Lansing.

I really have a theory. As we all know, In the earlier days the industry was dominated by smaller companies that specialized in a geography. As mergers took place, these companies disappeared...as did the service that was catered for these cities. As the hub and spoke system came to being...these cities simply became a market. It is my theory that Delta, Continental, AA and UNited will continue to sacrifice these cities as they move towards an intenrational focus...fed by flights from major markets into their hubs. As that occurs, there will be a demand for these smaller point to point carriers to come back...and then eventually be gobelled up by the larger guys....thus starting the cycle over. I dont want to be an AA or Delta...I simply want to bring quality customer service and flights back to these cities. Likewise, I dont intend to offer 9 flights a day from GRB to any location, but I certainly intend to bring affordable flights at reasonable frequencies to these cities.

As far as the parties that would invest it would be a company that is currenlty paying $600 for flights from GRB to DTW with six weeks advanced notice, and is spending hours of productivity in airports ...particularly when their employees go to the same markets...or the company that asks their employees to drive 3 hours (with minimal traffic) from Athens to ATL. I agree its a long shot, but there is a demand. If anything, Allegiant has proven that there is a if you build it they will come mentality for flights from underserviced cities to larger markets.


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 2725 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 15):
Why would any reasonably, allegedly educated person invest money in a start-up airline in today's economic morass?

There is never a good time to start an airline, but think about it this way: in a boom time, anyone can get money to start an airline. In hard times, very few people can get money to start an airline. You can catch a lot of the bigger carriers off-guard and in today's market, unusual alliances can develop.

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 15):
If Skybus was a bad idea when the economy was more stable. ANY startup today is insanity.

Skybus was a bad idea for many reasons. Their service quality (or lack thereof) bolstered by 25 minute turns of aircraft flying transcon routes will kill anyone. What's the point of being an ULCC if your revenue is less than your costs? Why fiddle with your route network so much? Why make it difficult to get basic questions answered? An internet only airline CAN WORK, but one has to be detailed and anticipate the questions that come up. Skybus's management did not pay attention to detail. This is why they went under.

This is exactly why I come onto A.net and ask "stupid questions". I am not an airline guy...I'm a transportation guy. Perhaps if Skybus did the same thing, they would not have made some of the mistakes that they did. It is also why the services that I am planning have a good shot at success.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 2716 times:



Quoting MetJetCEO (Reply 17):
Other markets that I see potential for are Worcester, Henderson, NV, Greenville, Charleston, Savannah and Lansing.



Quoting MetJetCEO (Reply 17):
It is my theory that Delta, Continental, AA and UNited will continue to sacrifice these cities as they move towards an intenrational focus...

I guess I'm confused - some, if not most of those cities (and their comparably sized cohorts)currently do, or recently had service. No doubt the legacies are bailing on RJ-ish service but I'm guessing that's due in part to a lack of demand, or an inability to price the flights in such a way as to turn a profit without scaring the prospective passenger away.

If you have a way to balance these demands and make money doing so, more power to you. Unfortunately, GYY isn't really a stand alone city (go ahead, Lake County, IN, bash me!) but rather an extension of Chicagoland sprawl.


777fan



DC-8 61/63/71 DC-9-30/50 MD-80/82/83 DC-10-10/30 MD-11 717 721/2 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 741/2/4 752 762/3 777 A306/319/20/33 AT
User currently offlineMetJetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

I think GYY has potential, but I would not base the aircraft there.

User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2677 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 19):
Unfortunately, GYY isn't really a stand alone city (go ahead, Lake County, IN, bash me!) but rather an extension of Chicagoland sprawl.

Very true. It is part of the Chicago Metropolitan Statistical Area. (MSA)


User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2599 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Why would Peotone be more successful than GYY? It's arguably worse-located.

I don't disagree. But IF (huge if now I think) they build it, the Illinois pols are going to probably offer their first born to airlines to get them the serve it. It unlikely many airlines would choose to fly into multiple airports allegedly serving the same city. No one has succeeded at GYY and there's not reason to believe they ever will, with or without Peotone.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2594 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 22):
But IF (huge if now I think) they build it, the Illinois pols are going to probably offer their first born to airlines to get them the serve it.

...and in turn, I don't disagree with that. Of course, people might have said the same thing about BLV, and BLV hasn't exactly had the support of Illinois politicians and there the competition is in--shudder--Missouri. With Peotone, Illinois would be largely competing against itself.

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 22):
No one has succeeded at GYY and there's not reason to believe they ever will, with or without Peotone.

No one that has failed at GYY has ever succeeded anywhere else. GYY is not, and will never be, ORD, but a carrier could succeed there.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2586 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):

...and in turn, I don't disagree with that. Of course, people might have said the same thing about BLV, and BLV hasn't exactly had the support of Illinois politicians and there the competition is in--shudder--Missouri. With Peotone, Illinois would be largely competing against itself.

I don't think you can compare a potential airport in Peotone with BLV. BLV was always developed from a military base with the notion of being a reliever airport for St. Louis, not a "new" airport for East St. Louis or southern Illinois. Heck, many people I know who live in or near Chicago won't even acknowledge there is 2/3 of the state south of them. The population of Illinoisans (is that correct?) alone that would/could use BLV is small compared to what Peotone COULD generate, but like I said, I don't think it will happen regardless.


25 JA : The important thing to remember about passenger transportation is that you have to go where the people are. The airport has nothing to do with carrie
26 ElBandGeek : I'm holding out hope Peotone will one day happen, although obviously not with things the way they are now. I think one thing people forget is that it
27 Cubsrule : What's the difference? Isn't Peotone a reliever airport too? BLV was built at Scott primarily for cost reasons; it was the cheapest way to get a pass
28 BravoGolf : FACT. Airlines that have failed or quit service at GYY have done so for reasons not related to GYY. GYY has always had good load factors to Florida a
29 TN757Flyer : If that were the case, GYY would currently have consistent service. The airport has been there for years. It's not as if in the last few years someon
30 Luv2fly : Here is one problem with that, to remain competative Apple and other charter operators need to offer flights from convienant and large airports. Sche
31 MetJetCEO : As a side note, this statement was on Wikepedia (not 100% reliable, but more than often accurate) about GYY. "Viva Aerobus has applied with the U.S. D
32 MOBflyer : Yep... no other routes throughout the entire country are warranted... if there was demand, they'd be being flown already.
33 777fan : Good point. This is sometimes, but not always the case. U5 operates out of BWI but then again, so do all of the legacies and it's easy - but not alwa
34 Cubsrule : Wasn't the F9 charter that ran MDW-CUN for a few winters for Apple?
35 MKE22 : . Yes it was. I think it may have been Sat. only.
36 Cubsrule : IIRC Saturday only is correct.
37 JA : DING! Even Skybus was picking up rapidly there. Most of these airlines flew 1-3 times per week to an individual market. Of course, if you think that
38 TN757Flyer : Umm, I think your statement backs up my own. It's sort of a vicious circle. There's no service because there's no demand. There's no demand because t
39 BravoGolf : The demand is here at GYY. Several years ago, Southeast Airlines, remember them, flew a sked 6 days per week with 1 morning MD 80 to PIE and a DC 9-3
40 JettaKnight : Good loads, perhaps, but what were the yields? I'm guessing that these were primarily bargain hunting leisure travelers.
41 MetJetCEO : If you look at the population (excluding the Chicago population that can easily commute to O'Hare and MDW via subway) there is a an ample population i
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Is There Any Hope For Indy Air? posted Thu May 26 2005 19:50:55 by JeffB
Is There Any Hope For LHR? posted Sun May 1 2005 12:03:14 by Glom
Any Hope For Tri-engines? posted Fri Dec 10 2004 18:28:37 by Texasflyer
Is There Any Hope For Greensboro (GSO) posted Mon May 14 2001 17:53:54 by Gsoflyer
Any Hope Of Salvation For This Jumbo? posted Thu Jan 27 2005 02:51:51 by LVZXV
Any Real Hope For SwissAir? posted Sun Sep 30 2001 21:30:08 by PIAforME
Airport (Concourse) Lockers: Any Active For 2008? posted Wed Sep 3 2008 07:16:31 by PHLBOS
Any Chance For A Airline Bailout By US Govt? posted Sun Jul 13 2008 11:51:48 by Seatback
Does Boeing Have Any Plans For... posted Tue May 6 2008 17:42:27 by Placekicker
Any Plans For A 3rd Daily EK Flight From MAN? posted Mon May 5 2008 12:01:21 by Ek-a380