Jkelley480 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Boeing's main argument against the A380 has been that they think there will be more point to point air travel and less "hub" travel. Today Boeing announced they are moving their corporate headquarters partly because they want to be in a more central location. This, they say, will make it easier for business travel--better connections, etc. I my opinion this supports Airbus' view that the A380 is viable in the marketplace, as it will ease runway congestion and save airlines money. What do you think?
P.S. When Boeing says "a more central location," I ask: More central to what? Many of their biggest and best customers are in Asia. Seattle is certainly closer to Asia than Denver, Dallas, or Chicago.
P.P.S. I suppose it does not really matter where the corporate headquarters are, the business will run just as well no matter what the location of those calling the shots. It is a symbolic gesture though. To me it symbolizes their hastiness and lack of foresight. And, as N766AS said, it is a slap in the face of Seattle and the people who live here. Thanks a lot, Boeing.
Ual747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 1160 times:
I do not see how this in ANY way supports your thesis that Boeing agrees with Airbus about the A380. Please explain in further detail how relocating their executive headquarters parallels with Airbus's decision to go ahead with the A380.
Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months ago) and read 1087 times:
..."...the company would seek new, global opportunties from a headquarters in a "culturally diverse" city that offers access to global markets.....
I see where your point is, it's going to a new corporate centre, so we aren't talking centrality with respect to plane parts, they're talking with respect to people....
Seems like a very irrational move...must be something else behind it...."....we have determined that our headquarters needs to be in a location central to all our operating units, customers and the financial community....."
Could anybody tell me what they mean by "central"?
Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
When you decide to dig up your corporate headquarters from the city in which you were founded, yes, I call it irrational.......when you weigh up the for's and the against's, they must have had strong for's to do it.....even for you Boeing747-400, it must seem like a surprising decision.....but then again, if Condit told you to jump, you'd ask how high, and wait till he told you to come down.......
Regards,
W.B.
P.S. I had to look up the word 'irrational' in the dictionary to see how to spell it, today is my first time using the word.......sorry to burst your bubble on my opinion of BCAG.......
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1050 times:
I've got to agree with Widebody on this one. It doesn't seem to make that much sense for Boeing to move from the city where it was born. I'm starting to think that Condit's head is stuck really stuck far up his ass.
Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1043 times:
What's this whole thing about the need to be central? What is so important that it requires this move? i know what it said in the press releases, but what can be achieved elsewhere that can't be achieved in Seattle?
Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2283 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1015 times:
Have we all forgotten how all the major airlines moved their headquarters away from NYC to their respective cities? I wouldn't call UA's move to Chicago, AA's move to Dallas (and so on...) irrational. Maybe Boeing really does have a legit reason for wanting to move out of its hometown.
Iahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3308 posts, RR: 46 Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1004 times:
Boeing has a presence in 26 states. By moving the HQ to DEN/DFW/ORD (hub cities all) Boeing will save a great deal of travel time ("time is money") and expense each year. Also, as a % of total employees in the greater Seattle area, the loss of 1,000 Boeing jobs is hardly an abandonment of their hometown. (Unless, of course, you're one of the 1,000.)
Asqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 993 times:
Considering that Phil Condit and the other people in the corporate HQ don't travel on the airlines, why should they care if they are in a hub city or not? Condit and the other top execs travel in private jets when they are traveling on business for Boeing and don't really care where they would have to make a connection since they don't have to!
AA-SAN From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 985 times:
This argument rests on some of the worst logic I have seen in quite a while. Please... many corporations move their headquarters for numerous reasons (as Watewate pointed out with his two airline examples and I can add TWA's move to St Louis from NY). Everyone keeps running around trying to predict where they will move and why. The where is anybody's guess, but the why seems clear to me. Boeing in Seattle screams commercial aircraft. Boeing is trying really, really, really (you get my point) hard to shed thier image of being a company that only makes commercial aircraft. If they can get their HQ out of Seattle, then they may just be able to prove to the world that they truly are a company that is expanding into other fields. To me it just seems like a highly symbolic move to show everyone (especially businesses that aren't interested in their commercial planes) that they are dedicated to their entire array of products. This may not be the best move for Boeing's commercial aircraft, but for the entire Boeing company, this seems like a great way of diversifying. This has nothing to do with the A380 or any other topic you can think up related to airline travel. Sorry if you disagree, but that's just what I read of the whole thing.
Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 920 times:
Isn't one of the reasons they are moving is that the power bill in Seattle is getting way too high. Electricity is expensive, and could be cheaper elsewhere.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 918 times:
Saying that Boeing execs all travel by private jet is bollocks! Maybe Condit on a 'state visit', he'll turn up on a 737NG-BBJ but believe me everyone else flies commercial. For god's sake, why wouldn't they? It's hardly necessary for salesmen, auditors, safety specialists, consultants etc to fly in a private jet when their equivalent numbers at, say, Starbucks fly AA, UA, NW etc.
It never occurred to me but I bet it is a pain in the arse for Boeing people (and expensive too) to have to fly to Seattle, adding a couple of hours extra to their journey time every time they hit the road. Moving the corporate HQ out of WA makes loads of sense to me, for many reasons stated by other contributors but primarily the cost of travel. The electricity question is an interesting one as well.
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Chiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 879 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 874 times:
Are you out of your mind. Boeing's biggest customers are AA and United. All the city mentioned have close ties to either United or AA. chicago for example is UA's headquarter and a major Hub for AA.
AF777 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 223 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 849 times:
Boeing is moving its corporate hedquarters to either Denver, Dallas, or Chicago. To the best of my knowledge they are keeping their commercial heaquarters in Seattle, Space operations in Long Beach and their military orperations in St Louis. Each of these divisions are going to be cheifed by CEO's. Planes are going to continue to be built in Seattle, not everything is moving. And it really isn't a slap in the face because Seattle is booming and Boeing moving some employees elsewhere isn't going to have a severe impact on the city.
KUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 830 times:
Texas doesn't have state income tax, correct? There is one reason more for Boeing hq to be moved to Dallas. When you think from managements' perspective, its easy to see the rationale. Many other tech companies have moved their parts from Arizona into Texas.
KUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 829 times:
Texas doesn't have state income tax, correct? There is one reason more for Boeing hq to be moved to Dallas. When you think from managements' perspective, its easy to see the rationale. Many other tech companies have moved their parts from Arizona into Texas.
KUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 828 times:
Texas doesn't have state income tax, correct? There is one reason more for Boeing hq to be moved to Dallas. When you think from managements' perspective, its easy to see the rationale. Many other tech companies have moved their parts from Arizona into Texas.
Growly150 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 802 times:
hey WN boy, IAH is houston, not dallas
25 Critter: Lets get something straight. We now live in the high tech computer era were distance just doesn't matter. You have video conferencing and live online
26 UAL-Fan: Maybe......it has something to do with the huge energy crisis that will soon impact all of the West Coast.
27 Galaxy5: are they moving their manufacturing processes or just their headquarters? if its just an office move i dont see what the big deal is, are they going t
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