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El-Al At YYZ Air Canada Hangar  
User currently offlineMSPCRJ200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

Would anyone know why there's an El-Al 767-200 sitting at AC's maintenance hangar across from the A gates at Terminal 3 today? Pic:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1588711&l=41fa0&id=842113760

Does AC do scheduled mainteance for El Al or is this a mechanical issue? It was so odd looking at this southern bird through the snowflakes.

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User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

That is its regular parking spot for its lengthy turnaround in Toronto, when it is not on a gate at Terminal 3


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User currently offlineEyeno1 From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Good safe area for it to park. No doubt there was some unobtrusive security vehicles around it. On that note, when I was waiting to depart from ZRH to YUL last month, El-Al was boarding and an armored personnel carrier was in plain view just off the apron.

User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

I wonder if you have set off any red flags somewhere by mentioning it on a public forum and putting up a picture. With all the security surrounding El-Al planes, I wouldn't be surprised.  pessimist 


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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2224 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

The security suv/van is always there with with the plane. Whether there are armed personel or not who knows. Occasionally it the aircraft and attendant minder is parked elsewhere, but that is the most common place. Occasionally when the aircraft taxis for takeoff a similar vehicle comes and scans the fences near the end of the runway and any gates along the runway, like the one alongside FedEx.

User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4338 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 4):
Occasionally when the aircraft taxis for takeoff a similar vehicle comes and scans the fences near the end of the runway and any gates along the runway, like the one alongside FedEx

Wow! Didn't know that the security blanket was THAT tight! But it does bring up the question as to how they say profitable in current market even after spending so much on aircraft security. I wonder if they have electronic countermeasures / AWACS type system in every single aircraft.

Quite intriguing!



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4050 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 5):
But it does bring up the question as to how they say profitable in current market even after spending so much on aircraft security. I wonder if they have electronic countermeasures / AWACS type system in every single aircraft.

80% of the the security measures of evey Israeli airline are paid by the State. It used to be 50% until recently. http://www.reuters.com/article/AIRDEF/idUSL2723659620080127


El Al airplanes were "supposed" to be fitted with anti-missiles systems for years, already in the 1980s; there had been attempts to attacks El Al airplanes with missiles in the 1970s in Rome and Nairobi. But after the Mombassa attack against an Arkia airplane in 2002, it became "officially" clear that Israeli civil airliners were not equipped with anti-missiles systems, as Israeli defense companies were mandated to develop such system. 6 years after this event, it is believed that some El Al airplanes (flying to "dangerous" destinations...) are fitted with a protextive system called Flight Guard, developed by IAI and Elta.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3890 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 5):
Wow! Didn't know that the security blanket was THAT tight! But it does bring up the question as to how they say profitable in current market even after spending so much on aircraft security. I wonder if they have electronic countermeasures / AWACS type system in every single aircraft.

El Al is one of the most secure airlines in the world and they won't publically state what anti-terrorist measures they do employ. When I flew them the security wsa outof this world and that was back in the 80's. They use to have two flights form Isreal land in YYZ from Telaviv a T7 and a 767-200. The T7 would go on to LAX. I don't know if they do that anymore.



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4877 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3835 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 5):
But it does bring up the question as to how they say profitable in current market even after spending so much on aircraft security.

I recall, shortly after September 11, when airline security was in question, EL AL was thought a model to be considered. American Airlines, who obviously have a stake in high security stated that if they maintained an "EL AL" level of security on every one of their flights, it would add an extra USD 2.5 Billion to their costs!!!

We only talk about the security measures EL AL performs that we can see ... I can't even imagine the things we can't see.



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3817 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 3):
I wonder if you have set off any red flags somewhere by mentioning it on a public forum and putting up a picture. With all the security surrounding El-Al planes, I wouldn't be surprised.

There is no big secret here ELAL as usual



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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3782 times:

I have been taking pictures at T3 during the evening/night hours and been approached by a fully armed peel regional officer. They just asked what we were doing and to look at our pictures. I know that EL AL would use gates inside the horseshoe so photo ops were not possible. How ever, the police were kind and up for a small conversation. But I have seen the discussed vehicle and when someone was at the fence taking pictures they were approached by the locals... so security is increased when EL AL is on the ground or in motion.

Grant



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24629 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3557 times:



Quoting Eyeno1 (Reply 2):
On that note, when I was waiting to depart from ZRH to YUL last month, El Al was boarding and an armored personnel carrier was in plain view just off the apron.

I think they've been doing that since a terrorist attack on an El Al 707 at ZRH on February 18, 1969 that killed one pilot, injured another and also killed 3 passengers.


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3496 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
I think they've been doing that since a terrorist attack on an El Al 707 at ZRH on February 18, 1969 that killed one pilot, injured another and also killed 3 passengers.

Yes, but in Zurich, no passengers were hurt. The Boeing 720 was attacked while rolling to the runway for take-off, so it was full of kerosene for the flight to Tel Aviv. The attack was stopped, and the plane possibly saved, by the intervention of an armed guard onboard the 720, at that time something very new.

In another attack, which took place a few months earlier, on December 26 1968 against an El Al 707 on the Athens tarmac, one passenger had been killed.


From what I understand, the security measures taken by local police or military forces are not paid by the airlines; the responsibility for securing the airport areas belong to the local authorities, not to the visiting airlines.



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