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DL DC9s On MOB-ATL!?  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Upon click the flight details, I found it was a mis-descriptor for a Pinnacle CR9 flight.

Interesting, nonetheless.....

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I for one am thankful that we've kept premium cabins via CR9s and E170/E175s, but do hope that we'll get one CR9 traded for a DC9!

Interesting effect of no mainline in MOB:
http://www.al.com/business/press-reg...830613202950.xml&coll=3&thispage=1

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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

Ok, so the picture's obviously not working....
Here's a link:
http://paxstats.googlepages.com/DC9s2.JPG


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5656 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
I for one am thankful that we've kept premium cabins via CR9s and E170/E175s, but do hope that we'll get one CR9 traded for a DC9!

I just took a daytrip to IND yesterday on NWA and got to fly for the first time on a CR9 and E75 and really thought they were every bit as nice as a mainline flight. I was particulary impressed with the CR9, having been on the CRJ numerouse times and knowing how cramped they can be and with the small windows I was impressed with how roomy the CR9 was and how large the windows were.


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5623 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 1):

Is also says *Operated by Delta code share partner. So its a NW DC-9 not a DL DC-9.



It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5604 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Interesting effect of no mainline in MOB:

Unfortunely, I don't think DL cares about the inconvience they are causing in the article. It's very sad and pretty much inconsiderate of Delta to do that.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5472 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
I for one am thankful that we've kept premium cabins via CR9s and E170/E175s, but do hope that we'll get one CR9 traded for a DC9!

Haha easy misprint

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3):
Is also says *Operated by Delta code share partner. So its a NW DC-9 not a DL DC-9.

Sort of, type in flight status for yesterday for that flight and it states "Carrier: Pinnacle Airlines Inc." and CRJ-900, a little further details can reveal the truth, NW didn't have a DC-9 in MOB yesterday.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5273 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3):
Is also says *Operated by Delta code share partner. So its a NW DC-9 not a DL DC-9.

No its a CR9. Someone typed the wrong thing in sorry MOBflyer



yep.
User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

There is a nwa/dl dc-9 that flys mem to bna maybe i just havent seen it in a while but was surprised


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3488 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):

Haha easy misprint

I didn't realize that even while typing it!  Smile

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):

No its a CR9. Someone typed the wrong thing in sorry MOBflyer

I knew it was a CR9, because I clicked it.... but it was an interesting error in the DL scheds.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10431 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 4):
Unfortunely, I don't think DL cares about the inconvience they are causing in the article. It's very sad and pretty much inconsiderate of Delta to do that.

Well, unfortunately, in the real world, there's no way they would leave an MD-88 on the route, just to accomodate h/r's, when they're losing pax revenue with that a/c. I'm sure there's not enough revenue from those funeral homes to make up for that. It's not that DL is being inconsiderate, it's just business.


The article is also, somewhat, misleading as it makes it sound as if this "ferry" service is exclusively for transporting remains and the pax part is just the sideline.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3332 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
Well, unfortunately, in the real world, there's no way they would leave an MD-88 on the route, just to accomodate h/r's, when they're losing pax revenue with that a/c. I'm sure there's not enough revenue from those funeral homes to make up for that. It's not that DL is being inconsiderate, it's just business.

Well the newspaper was just highlighting one of the real consequences of no mainline. The route and aircraft pair DID make money for DL, and likely was placed on a route that made LESS than MOB-ATL, but lost less than the aircraft it replaced on the route it was moved to. MOB can be just as well or better served with more frequency CR9/E170 vs 1 MD88 - but the larger aircraft and subsequent lower CASM is needed on lower yielding routes to accompany a low RASM.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10431 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3264 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 10):
Well the newspaper was just highlighting one of the real consequences of no mainline.

Well, I was really responding to RampGuys post and not necessarily the article.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
Quoting RampGuy (Reply 4):
Unfortunely, I don't think DL cares about the inconvience they are causing in the article. It's very sad and pretty much inconsiderate of Delta to do that.




"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2912 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 10):
The route and aircraft pair DID make money for DL, and likely was placed on a route that made LESS than MOB-ATL, but lost less than the aircraft it replaced on the route it was moved to.

I don't know. If the flight had a 53% LF, it's pretty tough to make money even though MOB's yields are decent.

It's still amazing that MOB has gone from having as many as 10 daily mainline flights on DL in 2000 to zero today.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 12):
I don't know. If the flight had a 53% LF, it's pretty tough to make money even though MOB's yields are decent.

Decent isn't the correct adjective. So long as PNS-ATL makes money, MOB-ATL on similar mainline equipment makes money.

DL's yields are 29.5% higher in MOB over PNS. MOB and PNS virtually the same in RASM rankings, despite MOB having a 65% LF in Q2 vs PNS's 87%. Becase of the 29.5% higher yields, MOB performs identically to PNS when it has only 74% of the load factor points. MOB's contribution yields also outpace PNS's by 19.5%.

You must consider how extraordinary a market's yields are before you say that they are losing money.

DL was right, the demand wasn't there to fill the jet - meaning the the large jet could be better utilized elsewhere - not neccessarily that the flight was losing money.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2602 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 13):
So long as PNS-ATL makes money, MOB-ATL on similar mainline equipment makes money.

Who says PNS-ATL is making money? DL's profits are quite small and indicate that at any given time there are many routes losing money.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 13):
DL's yields are 29.5% higher in MOB over PNS. MOB and PNS virtually the same in RASM rankings, despite MOB having a 65% LF in Q2 vs PNS's 87%. Becase of the 29.5% higher yields, MOB performs identically to PNS when it has only 74% of the load factor points. MOB's contribution yields also outpace PNS's by 19.5%.

You have to be real careful with this data. What DL reports to the DOT isn't necessarily a reflection of the true financial performance of the route. I wouldn't trust DOT data to compare individual route profitability.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 13):
DL was right, the demand wasn't there to fill the jet - meaning the the large jet could be better utilized elsewhere - not neccessarily that the flight was losing money.

I have my doubts that DL would pull a plane if the plane flying the route was truly profitable. There are plenty of money losing routes in DL's system where DL could also steal from.


User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 629 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

The article wrongly states that a body from MOB to DEN dosts $775.00 on Delta.
The price is actually $456.88.

Semantics...yes....but accuracy counts.

This story plays on to any previous mainline served city relegated to RJ service.

As stated...all (except cargo) airlines are driven by passengers, cargo is a gift to the bottom line. My city (MLB) is no different. Delta is removing mainline for the latter half of December and we will be lucky to get it back in January.

As long as there are big city airports with little city airports around them, don't expect them to excel.

KD


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2370 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 14):
I have my doubts that DL would pull a plane if the plane flying the route was truly profitable. There are plenty of money losing routes in DL's system where DL could also steal from.

The route was profitable, but a relatively high RASM coupled with low load factors means that a smaller aircraft can do the job, while the larger aircraft with the lower CASM should be deployed in markets that have high loads and relatively lower yields.

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 15):
As long as there are big city airports with little city airports around them, don't expect them to excel.

Um, airlines are more likely (outside of hubs) to find success in "little city airports". Perhaps these airports won't excel in regards to maintenance of mainline service - but they are far better, generally, in terms of profitability.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

gezz you could strap the casket to a seat cheaper than that


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10431 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2170 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 17):
gezz you could strap the casket to a seat cheaper than that

When you can show me how you strap a 350 pound casket with body into a seat, let me know.  Yeah sure



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1978 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 18):

When you can show me how you strap a 350 pound casket with body into a seat, let me know.

I would be curious as to how much it would cost to send a package of similar weight and shape with the same level of priority...


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10431 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1974 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 19):
I would be curious as to how much it would cost to send a package of similar weight and shape with the same level of priority...

Well, the weight limit on narrow body a/c is 300 lbs except for h/r's. The rate would be per pound........h/r's have a flat rate, depending where they are going.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
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