Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Air Canada To Launch Geneva (Official)  
User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2151 posts, RR: 36
Posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 7169 times:

We've long speculated about the route on here, but the rumours are now official with year-round service from Montreal (as a continuation from Toronto) launching June 1st using 763 equipment. Flight is operated in codeshare with Swiss. Daily during the summer and 4x weekly during the winter.

http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi...ey=1611179017&view=13213-0&Start=0

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Depart Arrive Depart Arrive
Flight Toronto Montreal Montreal Geneva
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
AC830 18:00 19:19 20:45 10:05(+1)
LX4643
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Depart Arrive Depart Arrive
Flight Geneva Montreal Montreal Toronto
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
AC831 12:15 14:30 16:00 17:19
LX4642
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>

30 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

Wow, that's a good news. It seems that it will be like in the good old days again in GVA.....

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8888 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6882 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting Runway23 (Thread starter):

Good Air Canada is coming to Geneva. Must be an amazing view, the nice livery of AC in front of the alps or over the Lake Geneva. I hope for some nice pictures of it.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

With LX codesharing and YYZ-ZRH is there really a market to support this service?


The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.
User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6861 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
With LX codesharing and YYZ-ZRH is there really a market to support this service?

I assume Air Canada did their homework, so the answer seems evident that ..yes there is.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

I think eventually they should maybe try to do a YUL-BRU-GVA run, wonder what that would turn out to be. In cooperation with LX and SN. Could even be a triangular route sometimes YUL-BRU-GVA-YUL, sometimes YUL-GVA-BRU-YUL to offer nonstop service from both capitals. It should easily sustain a daily frequency.


I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2151 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6726 times:



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 5):
I think eventually they should maybe try to do a YUL-BRU-GVA run, wonder what that would turn out to be. In cooperation with LX and SN. Could even be a triangular route sometimes YUL-BRU-GVA-YUL, sometimes YUL-GVA-BRU-YUL to offer nonstop service from both capitals. It should easily sustain a daily frequency.

Triangular flights are expensive, time costly and offer very little that a one-stop flight wouldn't offer.

BRU-YUL performed fairly well back with Sabena. With SN joining star alliance and offering good connectivity there's always a possibility that AC may see this as a fit route to launch.

Also, Montreal is not the capital of Canada (Ottawa), nor is Geneva the capital of Switzerland (Berne)...


User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

BrightCedars,

I would say that with SN in star, soembody is going to serve BRU YUL regularly, just depends on who and when.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

That'll please IATA staff.....  Wink


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6560 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
With LX codesharing and YYZ-ZRH is there really a market to support this service?

I think when people ask, "Why isn't there service between ....?" and "Why is there service between ....?" they don't understand is that with code sharing and airline alliances, they know EXACTLY how many people fly between two points. Let's face it, AC and UA know exactly how many people fly between every point in Canada and every point in the US.

AC, LX (and LH) know exactly how many people fly between Canada and Switzerland. Or more to the point, how many YYZ/YUL-GVA passengers are presently flying via FRA and ZRH, and wish to capture some of that market with a direct or nonstop flight.

It would appear with AC's load factors in the mid 80s, they are "getting it right".



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

It's also true that a lot of eastern Canadians like ski vacations in the Alps, and Geneva and Zurich access different Alpine resorts, and during the summer, a lot of Quebecers go to Western France. Transat has a lot of capacity into Western France, including Lyons. AC is at a disadvantage in this market. While AF can offer coordinated connections to Western France, and Transat flies to Lyons and Strasbourg, IIRC, AC can only take people as far as Paris. To get them to Lyons on a code-share, I suspect AC has to route them via LHR or ZRH, which is less than ideal.

So I presume AC and Swiss want to pick up some of the people in western France who go to Canada and some of the Canadians destined to western France.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 6):
Also, Montreal is not the capital of Canada (Ottawa), nor is Geneva the capital of Switzerland (Berne)...

God I'm sorry about that one. I was just in a prosaic mood, don't believe for one second I believe Geneva is the capital of Switzerland. It remains an important city however, more important than Bern for that matter.

The other capital I meant is BRU and there's no mistake there. BRU is even a double capital if you consider it as that of Belgium and as that of the EU.

I know triangular flights are not in fashion anymore but to start up operation they may still be useful. I reckon daily nonstop is the standard of our times.

[Edited 2008-11-17 13:20:57]


I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 6156 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 11):
BRU is even a double capital if you consider it as that of Belgium and as that of the EU.

triple capital actually , as it is the Flemish capital as well , isn't it ? ( which is a bit weird when you come to think of it since Brussels isn't actually in Flanders even though it is surrounded by it )

anyway , back OT ( sort of ) , I must admit that this flight surprised me - I would have thought that a YYZ-YUL-BRU flight would have come before a YYZ-YUL-GVA flight ... perhaps when the LH takeover goes through and SN join Star AC will be able to make BRU work as BRU could offer good , uncongested connectivity to a whole host of 2nd tier European cities . Does LX offer any sort of connection at GVA these days ? I thought that they had really wound down their presence there in which case this flight will have to stand on its own rather than benefitting from connecting traffic .



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4913 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 6129 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
Does LX offer any sort of connection at GVA these days ?

Zurich, LCY (backtracking). Everything else is once daily or less I think, so no good for connections. GVA is a focus city based soley on local demand



Visit the Air Humberside Website and Forum
User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 6104 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Thread starter):
year-round service from Montreal (as a continuation from Toronto)

Just an FYI....the YYZ-YUL legs will operate as Rapidair flts in both directions. So, from YYZ the flight will be considered domestic from YYZ-YUL before continuing to GVA. On the return from GVA, all passengers will deplane in YUL and clear customs before reboarding what is essentially a Rapidair YUL-YYZ flight.


User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 6037 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Zurich, LCY (backtracking). Everything else is once daily or less I think, so no good for connections. GVA is a focus city based soley on local demand

Swiss has flights to Barcelona, Zurich, Athens.. MEA has Beirut (huge market from YUL), and flights connects to SAS/LH/OS/TP services.

Also Swiss has their code-share on AF to CDG, SN to BRU.. so anybody buying an LX ticket can do CDG/BRU-GVA-YUL if necessary


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 5833 times:



Quoting Sebring (Reply 10):
So I presume AC and Swiss want to pick up some of the people in western France who go to Canada and some of the Canadians destined to western France.

GVA certainly isn't a gateway to western France. Or do you mean eastern France?


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Good for AC, especially when it seems a lot of airlines are pulling out of GVA.

User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 5742 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):

GVA certainly isn't a gateway to western France. Or do you mean eastern France?

Sorry, eastern France, western Europe. I confuse easily.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2151 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 5719 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 17):
Good for AC, especially when it seems a lot of airlines are pulling out of GVA.

There haven't been "a lot" of airlines pulling out, only Olympic has pulled out. BA has axed flights to LGW (and even that is only seasonal), although those are rumoured to transfer to LCY.

On the otherhand, next year GVA obviously sees AC and UA. Aegean have requested slots to Athens, TA will start Bucharest, Iceland Express Reykjavik, AF are going to start ORY, TK, EY, LOT, and ME have increased frequencies and flybe is going year-round (as jet2 had done last summer).

This winter GVA has seen new service to Casablanca on jet4you and to tashkent on uzbekistan airways.

Overall GVA is still seeing good growth which is not the case around Europe. The yield out of GVA remains extremely high, which is the reason AC, UA and others are starting service to the airport whilst others are seeing cuts.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months ago) and read 5593 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 19):
The yield out of GVA remains extremely high, which is the reason AC, UA and others are starting service to the airport whilst others are seeing cuts.

I wouldn't say yield from GVA is "extremely" high if you're considering all destinations, especially with low-cost carriers now carrying a big and growing share of traffic especially within Europe. EasyJet now accounts for about 35% of GVA's total passenger traffic and have been the largest carrier at GVA for several years.


User currently offlineCarlos1979 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Interesting news. I personally did not think that GVA would be AC's next European destination. Can we expect any more news on further European expansion by AC?

Anyone know where the metal for this flight is coming from?


User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Looks like Air Canada had the MEA connection to Beirut in mind when they planned the YUL-GVA flight; since they mentioned it in the Press Release.
The schedules aret timed for 1:45 transit on YUL-GVA-BEY and 1:30 transit on BEY-GVA-YUL. Should be nice to transfer in a calm airport like GVA instead of the long lines at LHR, CDG and FRA.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4858 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
triple capital actually , as it is the Flemish capital as well , isn't it ? ( which is a bit weird when you come to think of it since Brussels isn't actually in Flanders even though it is surrounded by it )

I would have counted that but it's a domestic status as capital, doesn't really affect anything beyond the borders of our little country.

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 22):
Should be nice to transfer in a calm airport like GVA instead of the long lines at LHR, CDG and FRA.

Indeed!



I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

This is not AC's first time in GVA, of course. It was served as a tag-on to the YUL-CDG service on AC870 in the 80s and/or 90s for a while. But it will be the 1st non-stop service into GVA for AC.

It will be interesting to see how (or if) this affects loads out of ZRH for both YUL & YYZ.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
25 Icna05e : Isn't ME supposed to enter Skyteam as an associate member soon? I think AF down the road at CDG would oppose such a codeshare.
26 BA : I'm really glad GVA is seeing an increase in transatlantic traffic. I flew on Swissair's GVA-JFK flight back in the good old days a number of times on
27 Humberside : I mentioned Zurich, but BCN, ATH and the other LX routes except LCY are once daily or less aren't they, so would require an overnight one way to conn
28 Viscount724 : As long as you avoid weekends during the ski season when GVA handles dozens of charter flights, mostly from the UK. Saturday is the worst day between
29 Runway23 : I think you are underestimating the demand of BEY-YUL and its effect on this route. The connecting times are ideal and GVA being a small airport and
30 Connies4ever : Of course, AC did serve LYS for a while in the 90s, I think 3x with 762s. I would think this is a mainly low-yield market, so I won't hold my breath
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Air Canada To Launch Montreal-Denver posted Wed Dec 21 2005 23:57:04 by FLYYUL
Official : Air France To Launch Its TGV In 2010 posted Mon Sep 8 2008 04:13:45 by FlySSC
Air Europa To Launch MIA-TFN posted Fri Nov 14 2008 15:08:07 by MAH4546
Majority Shareholder Of Air Canada To Sell? Buy? posted Tue Nov 11 2008 13:47:11 by Bakersdozen
Air Arabia To Launch Morocco Division posted Wed Nov 5 2008 06:17:10 by B742
Manitoba Taking Air Canada To Court Over Job Cuts posted Thu Oct 30 2008 14:20:03 by CB97
Air Canada To Charge $3 For Headsets posted Tue Aug 19 2008 11:10:16 by JoePatroni
Air Canada To End Cargo Flights posted Wed Apr 23 2008 00:21:10 by OceansWorld
Air Arabia To Launch Subsidiary In Morocco posted Wed Nov 21 2007 12:40:16 by A342
Air Canada To Separate Caracas, Trinidad Flights posted Thu Oct 18 2007 07:19:41 by Sebring