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UA Reinstates Seasonal DEN-LHR; Adds IAD-GVA  
User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 730 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

On the employee intranet today, UA officially announced the resumption of seasonal nonstop DEN-LHR B777 service.

Starting April 2009:

UA 948
DPT: Denver 7:59p
ARV: London Heathrow 12:15p +1

UA 939
DPT: London Heathrow 1:05p
ARV: Denver 4:01p

Tickets go on sale starting Thursday.

Also, tickets will go on sale Tuesday for UA's new IAD-GVA service on newly configured B767 aircraft.

UA 974
DPT: Washington Dulles 6:00p
ARV: Geneva, Switzerland 8:00a +1

UA 975
DPT: Geneva 12:00p
ARV: Washington Dulles 2:56p

Edited to reflect start date of April 2009, not necessarily 09 April.

[Edited 2008-11-17 16:43:21]


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

I kind of wonder myself why they don't use the 763 on their DEN-LHR and use a 777 on IAD-EZE or IAD-GRU, that sell out tremendously reliably for UA.

All the same, it's good to see UA doing well, bringing back DEN-LHR and bringing new service to GVA on the top-rate refitted 763. Perhaps this is to fill in the void from QR leaving GVA-JFK?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25406 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

GVA has been out of the bag already for a while
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4209435/

I believe the start date on the DEN-LHR is actualy March 29th, ending October 25th.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25406 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8043 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 1):
I kind of wonder myself why they don't use the 763 on their DEN-LHR and use a 777 on IAD-EZE or IAD-GRU, that sell out tremendously reliably for UA.

Its off season in Latin America during Northern summers.

For the record this winter IAD-GRU is a 777, while ORD-GRU is flopping between the 763 and 777 during different months.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Glad to see another US carrier at GVA. It's a great layover. The IAD crews will love it.


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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2493 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7996 times:

nice to see GVA getting all this new service to North America.

Official announcement by AC on YUL-GVA starting June 1, with a B763 this morning, and now UA from IAD as well..

Good stuff.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7930 times:



Quoting UALFAson (Thread starter):
On the employee intranet today, UA officially announced the resumption of seasonal nonstop DEN-LHR B777 service.

I'm surprised to see it back. Here will be the chain events. UA adds it back. BA closes DEN. UA never flies it again.

On another note, they must be crying over SLC-NRT in the Mile High City. IMHO that dooms any chance DEN had of getting NRT service.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25406 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7895 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 6):
On another note, they must be crying over SLC-NRT in the Mile High City. IMHO that dooms any chance DEN had of getting NRT service.

Dont think so --- there is a reason why the DEN Mayor in Tokyo this week  Wink



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User currently offlineSkyGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 451 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

All these flights being added to IAD almost makes me want to transfer back...


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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

I am so glad UA is bringing back DEN-LHR for the summer!!!

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 1):
I kind of wonder myself why they don't use the 763 on their DEN-LHR and use a 777 on IAD-EZE or IAD-GRU, that sell out tremendously reliably for UA.

I do not think that a 763 can fly a full load DEN-LHR, with the altitude being over 5000ft even with the 15000 foot runways



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7592 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 6):
I'm surprised to see it back. Here will be the chain events. UA adds it back. BA closes DEN. UA never flies it again.

BA has been operating to DEN successfully since 1998. UA starting DEN-LHR last March when oil prices skyrocketed didn't cause BA to drop its DEN service.

I don't see why UA resuming the service next year on a seasonal basis should cause BA to suddenly drop the route.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 6):
On another note, they must be crying over SLC-NRT in the Mile High City. IMHO that dooms any chance DEN had of getting NRT service.

I disagree. ANA has stated that it's looking at launching NRT-DEN once it starts receiving its 787s.



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User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7546 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Dont think so --- there is a reason why the DEN Mayor in Tokyo this week

Does not mean much, mayors go abroad all the time to many destinations. Airport business is not their only agenda.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7543 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 9):
I do not think that a 763 can fly a full load DEN-LHR, with the altitude being over 5000ft even with the 15000 foot runways

The 763 could do it. The international birds have the PW4060, so it should be able to manage with little problem. The route was even frequently done with 772A's with the PW4077, so the 763 with the up-rated motors could handle it.


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

Great to hear (would've been better when I was living in Washington!), and its good to see some UA expansion, as they've been rather stagnant of late. Curious, however, that they didn't start GVA for the winter high season.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5276 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7468 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 10):
Quoting Enilria (Reply 6):
I'm surprised to see it back. Here will be the chain events. UA adds it back. BA closes DEN. UA never flies it again.

BA has been operating to DEN successfully since 1998. UA starting DEN-LHR last March when oil prices skyrocketed didn't cause BA to drop its DEN service.

I don't see why UA resuming the service next year on a seasonal basis should cause BA to suddenly drop the route.

 checkmark  BA has been able to sustain yearround service for 10 years on the route so there is no reason to assume that UA's seasonal service is going to suddenly make them decide to leave DEN.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

Perhaps we'll see DEN-LHR go year-round with a 763 during the winter (even less than daily), provided the economy doesn't get any worse and the flight does well. It'd be nice to see UA make a route work year-round out of DEN. Either way, a seasonal 777 to LHR is better than no service for sure! Good luck to UA on both routes.

User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7292 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
The 763 could do it. The international birds have the PW4060, so it should be able to manage with little problem. The route was even frequently done with 772A's with the PW4077, so the 763 with the up-rated motors could handle it.

It is not a question if they could make it but will there be weight restrictions? Because I know 763s going to Hawaii in the summer take weight restrictions and I believe those are PW4060 as well



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7107 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 16):
It is not a question if they could make it but will there be weight restrictions? Because I know 763s going to Hawaii in the summer take weight restrictions and I believe those are PW4060 as well

They used to but they haven't for quite some time.

The 2-cabin domestic birds (ships 66xx) used to have PW4052's and would take weight limits. However, the entire 2-cabin fleet was uprated to PW4056's and it's no longer a problem, even during the summer. This modification was completely probably 6-8 months ago.

With the even-further uprated PW4060's on the 3-cabin birds, there would hypothetically be no issue for them on DEN-LHR.


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

DEN-LHR is 39% longer than DEN-HNL.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6870 times:

I am so glad to see DEN-LHR back in the system, I flew the route a few times before it was pulled and it was always packed; up front as well. Why they cannot make this a year round flight like BA is beyond me, but for the time being I am glad its back seasonal at least.

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

Both flights are now loaded on united.com however no formal announcement has been made yet (although Denver press have heard of the flight).

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6364 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Dont think so --- there is a reason why the DEN Mayor in Tokyo this week Wink

Well if that were the case, we here in BOS would have non-stop service to NRT, HKG, PEK and TLV since our mayor and governor have gone on several trips. Mayors and governors go on these missions all the time, they almost always lead to no new air service.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6135 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 6):
On another note, they must be crying over SLC-NRT in the Mile High City. IMHO that dooms any chance DEN had of getting NRT service.

UA could take the wind out of DL's sails instantly, seeing as the DEN market is about 50% bigger, and the DEN and NRT hubs are much larger for UA/NH respectively.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6013 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
UA could take the wind out of DL's sails instantly, seeing as the DEN market is about 50% bigger, and the DEN and NRT hubs are much larger for UA/NH respectively.

And I am sure DEN would offer some $$$ to get more international long haul routes into the city.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5811 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 23):
And I am sure DEN would offer some $$$ to get more international long haul routes into the city.

DEN and a whole slew of other airports are ready to offer incentives for new service into their airports. I think DL NRT-SLC is going to capture the lion share of the regions traffic to NRT and if UA were to start, they would have to fight for that share and depend on traffic connecting to and from other Asian cities.

Is the DEN-Asia market very large?


25 Mcdu : The 4060 airplanes carry fewer pax due to the three class cabin layout versus the Hawaii airplanes. Also the LHR departs later in the evening with co
26 MaverickM11 : It's about double that of SLC-Asia, and a bit higher yield I believe as well
27 N104UA : Yes it is very large, a DEN-NRT flight would make lots of money i know that the DEN-SEA-NRT flight always has a lot of people who fly that DEN-NRT da
28 UA2162 : Great news. However, the late afternoon arrival into LHR isn't the best. Guess you have to fly in a day earlier for your meeting.
29 YULWinterSkies : Isn't there a risk of overcapacity to GVA from *A airlines? Especially with CO joining soon... AC, UA adding to LX to JFK and CO to EWR
30 DC8FanJet : Hawaii a/c have 244 seats vs. 178 on the 3 class. offsetting that is the fact that the F & C "suites" are pretty heavy.
31 MAH4546 : So is everybody else, including Boston and Miami, who are competing for ANA's service. I personally think Denver will get this because of the Star co
32 Runway23 : GVA held out well last year with QR on the market. So essentially you are seeing one more carrier on GVA-North America rather than two. I think UA is
33 IrishAyes : You have to keep in mind that it takes many years to get an airline to build service, especially with the way market demographics and the economy cha
34 SESGDL : If you consider large a few hundred people per day, then yes. But the market between DEN and NRT is by no means large, otherwise DEN would have NRT s
35 Davehammer : Good to see UA back on LHR-DEN. I go there quite often on BA and the flights are nearly always well loaded in all cabins. On the a/c choice I'd have t
36 Transpac787 : Partly because of the accelerated schedule of cabin reconfigurations for the 763 and 744. Several routes that used to be operated with both 763 and 7
37 Dens : Just booked my vacations for next year. I will fly GVA-IAD-JFK and EWR-IAD-GVA. My travel agent found an incredibly low fare. It will be the first tim
38 N104UA : Well it depends what class you are in, if you are in F/C you will have a fully flat bed and a good meal, if you are in Y it is true that the PTV is o
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