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QR Or EY To PER First?  
User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 719 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Just discussing this with my friend: obviously there is demand for both airlines to start services but who would we see first?

Qatar Airways DOH-PER or Etihad AUH-PER?

Neither?

Any other airlines looking at PER?

[Edited 2008-11-18 05:12:20]

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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Well, if one of the 2, I would assume EY since they already fly multiple dailies to Australia. QR still does not fly there--although it was granted a daily flight.


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

I would think EY would get to PER first, as they already have some service to Australia. However, QR must open a route to either PER, BNE or MEL before they are allowed into SYD, but I think Melbourne will get it.

But, you never know, QR might see PER as a good start as it is closer, or they might expand quicker than EY. Hopefully, PER will see both of these airlines in the near future.

-CXfirst



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2863 times:



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
But, you never know, QR might see PER as a good start as it is closer, or they might expand quicker than EY. Hopefully, PER will see both of these airlines in the near future.

Advantage of PER is that it doesn't require a long haul aircraft to serve the sector.
while the city is booking, i don't know if too much more capacity can be taken on in the short term for a city with a population of 1M.

If an airline was to go in, i would say EY


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 833 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

I would also say EY will be first. QR will start MEL first with Summer 2009 schedule followed by SYD with winter schedule 2009. It is not official yet, but 90 % sure.regarding PER, i would think Adelaide will get service first, but you never know.


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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

QR to ADL? That's something I can't see.

As 6thfreedom said, the advantage of PER is an A332 can fly DOH-PER. You'd need a 773 or something similar to reach ADL, and there's not enough demand to utilise a large plane like that when it could be used for something alot more profitable.

If ADL sees any middle eastern carrier, it'll be EK without a doubt.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

what is the MTOW of EYs 332? and what is the range of AUH-PER? I guess it is a route s.th. in the range of GRU-CDG (JJ) or IST-ORD (TK)?!?

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

AUH-PER is 5605 miles, and a fully loaded 332 can make 6,749 miles nonstop, so no problem there.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
while the city is booking, i don't know if too much more capacity can be taken on in the short term for a city with a population of 1M.

PER is closer to 1.6M.

Funny, how the population of Perth is greater than the Population of Qatar and Abu Dhabi....yet, see how much the boom is effecting them! (I know, the boom in Perth cannot be compared, but it is still great enough to warrant EY and QR).

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2376 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
Advantage of PER is that it doesn't require a long haul aircraft to serve the sector.

DOH-PER is 5790 mi. Dunno if that would be restricted on a 332.

YOWza



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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

I guess that the A330 would be ETOPS restricted on that route.

User currently offline9MMPD From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

With the boom said to be over (thanks to a fall in demand for resources) there may not be any EY or QR service. But if things improve I beleive EY will beat QR to the punch because again they have already set up shop in Australia through their services to Sydney and Brisbane. But do either carrier have spare capacity to deploy, say a A332 to Perth

I often think who would be serving Perth next. Traffic is growing at a phenomal rate and its postion to the rest of the region would make it a very intresting market in the next decade. here is what I think would happen after EY or QR enter's Perth if things in the global economy improves

Lion Air would be a good candidate for a Perth service with their 737-900ERs. Actually I am surprised that they have not even started yet. Flights to Jarkarta, Surabya and Denpasar prehaps?

A Chinese carrier such as CA, CZ or MU or even QF/JQ to provide a flight between Shanghai and Perth would do well as there is much business between W.A and China particularly in resources and education.

Even a Perth India flight might do well from QF/JQ, AI or 9W as a A332 could easily make this flight and again business between India and W.A is growing plus think of the freight revenue which potentially could be earned.

There has been some talk that when the 787 eventually does get delivered some quite intresting and far out suggestions of possible flights to Perth such as VS flying London to Perth nonstop (will beleive it when it happens). As well as Kenya Airways deploying a service from Nairobi to Perth with their 787s (again will beleive it when I see it)

I think maybe a FJ flight with their 787s to Nadi might do well or it could go via BNE or ADL. A direct service would give West Australians another onestop choice to L.A. Haven't FJ been saying that they wanted to explore new markets and Fiji is becoming a popular market for West Australians now.

Back to the QR/EY debate one of them would have to enter the market before Emirates deploys their A380s to Perth as it would be hard to compete against them if QR/EY enetered the market after. So would that give us a 2 year window?


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

I totally agree with the above post. PER is definently underserved in some key markets and we definently need links to India, China & Vietnam and more links to Indonesia, Middle East, Far East and Africa.

My bet is that by the end of next year we'll have Lion announce services to DPS and CGK, a Chinese airline to PEK, PVG or CAN and possibly another African carrier or Indian airline.


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