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Early Replacement And Not Retirement Of Fleet Type  
User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

I am compiling information on the early replacement of an aircraft type in an airline's fleet. This does not include retirements, or an airline going out-of-business. All other reasons are valid including early lease-return.
The information should include the type, airline, the reason, and replacement type. The earlier replacements (AA's 747), and the reasons are my focus, so any little factoid helps. Here are some:

Type: Q400 Airline: SAS Reason: undercarriage Replacement: ???
B737 Silkair unknown A320
B757 SQ unknown A310
A340 SQ unknown B777
A345 TG Reason: revenue vs cost Replacement: route canceled
Concorde BA /AF fuel costs and tank retrofit Replacement:  Angry
A345 AC ? ?

This topic is not about the merits or demerits of a type or manufacturer ie. no A vs B.
I am sure no raving or ranting about an airline will be appreciated by all.
Just the details please. Thank you.

If this topic has been posted previously, please direct me to it and cancel this post.


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

American Airlines and the MD-11 come to mind.


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3451 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Thread starter):
Type: Q400 Airline: SAS Reason: undercarriage Replacement: ???

Replacement: CRJ-900 (First one with delivery date at the end of this month)


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

MD11 DL efficiency B772

A340 AC ???????? B777


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3340 times:



Quoting FI642 (Reply 1):
American Airlines and the MD-11 come to mind.

I guess that's the case for most airlines operating the MD11 who replaced it very "early" :
DL : MD11 by B777
AY : MD11 by A340
AZ : MD11 by B777/767
TG : MD11 by A340/B777

AF : B767 by A332


User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3209 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):
DL : MD11 by B777

The MD-11 (as derived from the DC-10) and late model L-1011's were fairly similar in capacity and range ...
I thought that the 767-400 was more of a replacement for both -- it sure was for DL's Tri-Stars .....
Just a thought ...



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3168 times:



Quoting Skymiler (Reply 5):
The MD-11 (as derived from the DC-10) and late model L-1011's were fairly similar in capacity and range ...
I thought that the 767-400 was more of a replacement for both -- it sure was for DL's Tri-Stars .....
Just a thought ...

The MD-11 was indeed supposed to replace the L1011 for DL.

The 764 was used as a replacement for both, primarily because the MD-11 never lived up to its specifications.


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

SAA replaced their 737NGs with A320s and then replaced the A320s with 737NGs. THis is a strange one but probably just shows a management that has no clear plan one way or the other???


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

AA:
717 reduncancy with F-100's, high lease rates inherited from TWA
F-100 uneconomical in with low capacity at mainline wages, airline fleet simplication
757 (former TWA P&W engines) - lack of engine commonality with AA's RR fleet
763 (former TWA a/c) - commonality & lease rates from TWA
MD-90 (former Reno a/c) small fleet, lack of commonality, reliability issue with electrical system
MD-87 (former Reno a/c) small fleet, reliability / maintenance issues, needed interior refurbishments
MD-11 performance issues, duplicative with 777 fleet, ability to unload to Fed Ex

NW:
MD-80 small subfleet, redundant with larger A320 & 72S fleets, high cycle aircraft
ARJ uneconomical, limited to 69 seats per scope clause. eventually replaced by CR9/E75 capacity


DL:
MD-11 performance issues, needed to reduce capacity, downsize fleet, commonality


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3000 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
AA:
717 reduncancy . . . . . . . . . . . duplicative with 777 fleet, ability to unload to Fed Ex

Yes, I forgot all about AA. Really helpful.

L1011 UAL inherited from Pan Am. Anyone recall if there was an attempt to expand this fleet?



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

U2 are currently replacing 73Gs with A319s, fleet commonality I guess


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User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2798 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):
AY : MD11 by A340

A333 is replacing AYs MD11.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2765 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 11):
AY : MD11 by A340

A333 is replacing AYs MD11.

Indeed.
The first MD-11 has left AY fleet, no more A340s coming. They will receive eight A333s by the spring 2010 when all MadDogs are gone, two A333 options left.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

EI, replacing older a333's with newer, more capable a333's. There are also some airlines replacing the a332 with a333 (such as LH and LX).


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2952 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Throw in JL with its M11.
NH has replaced its new A321s too.


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

More MD11s on the list. The ex-Swissair replaced their MD11 with Airbus 330.


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