Olympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
I am compiling information on the early replacement of an aircraft type in an airline's fleet. This does not include retirements, or an airline going out-of-business. All other reasons are valid including early lease-return.
The information should include the type, airline, the reason, and replacement type. The earlier replacements (AA's 747), and the reasons are my focus, so any little factoid helps. Here are some:
Type: Q400 Airline: SAS Reason: undercarriage Replacement: ???
B737 Silkair unknown A320
B757 SQ unknown A310
A340 SQ unknown B777
A345 TG Reason: revenue vs cost Replacement: route canceled
Concorde BA /AF fuel costs and tank retrofit Replacement:
A345 AC ? ?
This topic is not about the merits or demerits of a type or manufacturer ie. no A vs B.
I am sure no raving or ranting about an airline will be appreciated by all.
Just the details please. Thank you.
If this topic has been posted previously, please direct me to it and cancel this post.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
Quoting FI642 (Reply 1): American Airlines and the MD-11 come to mind.
I guess that's the case for most airlines operating the MD11 who replaced it very "early" :
DL : MD11 by B777
AY : MD11 by A340
AZ : MD11 by B777/767
TG : MD11 by A340/B777
The MD-11 (as derived from the DC-10) and late model L-1011's were fairly similar in capacity and range ...
I thought that the 767-400 was more of a replacement for both -- it sure was for DL's Tri-Stars .....
Just a thought ...
DLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2234 times:
Quoting Skymiler (Reply 5): The MD-11 (as derived from the DC-10) and late model L-1011's were fairly similar in capacity and range ...
I thought that the 767-400 was more of a replacement for both -- it sure was for DL's Tri-Stars .....
Just a thought ...
The MD-11 was indeed supposed to replace the L1011 for DL.
The 764 was used as a replacement for both, primarily because the MD-11 never lived up to its specifications.
Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2192 times:
SAA replaced their 737NGs with A320s and then replaced the A320s with 737NGs. THis is a strange one but probably just shows a management that has no clear plan one way or the other???
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6910 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2174 times:
AA:
717 reduncancy with F-100's, high lease rates inherited from TWA
F-100 uneconomical in with low capacity at mainline wages, airline fleet simplication
757 (former TWA P&W engines) - lack of engine commonality with AA's RR fleet
763 (former TWA a/c) - commonality & lease rates from TWA
MD-90 (former Reno a/c) small fleet, lack of commonality, reliability issue with electrical system
MD-87 (former Reno a/c) small fleet, reliability / maintenance issues, needed interior refurbishments
MD-11 performance issues, duplicative with 777 fleet, ability to unload to Fed Ex
NW:
MD-80 small subfleet, redundant with larger A320 & 72S fleets, high cycle aircraft
ARJ uneconomical, limited to 69 seats per scope clause. eventually replaced by CR9/E75 capacity
Olympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8): AA:
717 reduncancy . . . . . . . . . . . duplicative with 777 fleet, ability to unload to Fed Ex
Yes, I forgot all about AA. Really helpful.
L1011 UAL inherited from Pan Am. Anyone recall if there was an attempt to expand this fleet?
Indeed.
The first MD-11 has left AY fleet, no more A340s coming. They will receive eight A333s by the spring 2010 when all MadDogs are gone, two A333 options left.
Olympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
More MD11s on the list. The ex-Swissair replaced their MD11 with Airbus 330.
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