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SWA To Go After LGA Slots  
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17183 times:

Formerly ATA's....


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9027 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17167 times:

Very interesting - 7 flights to start.

Could it be a MSP-like operation with service to 1 city? I could see MDW being another good fit for them out of LGA - a lot of business travel NYC-CHI. I tend to think BWI wouldn't be as popular an option simply due to Amtrak - no one is going to fly LGA-BWI to go to either Baltimore or Washington DC when Amtrak runs at least once an hour and takes under 2 hours to Baltimore or 2.5 hours to Union Station.

Then again, I suppose they could get some extra slots and do MDW, a couple of BWI turns for connections and some Florida flights (though B6 has become entrenched here).

User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17156 times:

Way to go WN. This was a surprise.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 29167 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17135 times:

Excellent move.

While La Garbage sucks especially with ATC issues, great to see SWA enter NYC directly.  bigthumbsup 

Now the million dollar question --- what market(s) will SWA look to fly with its limited frequencies?

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4500 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17131 times:

And in a related story, Hell has frozen over.

I don't know how many slots ATA had, but I don't think it would be at the level that would give WN the number of flights they normally like to operate from the Start.

That being said, MDW is almost a given, and I would expect MCO, HOU, TPA, and possibly BNA for start up cities. I would also expect a BNA flight to continue on to DAL under the wright deal.

User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17091 times:

Who's going to get the DCA slots, I doubt WN wants them.

Rex Kramer: Get that finger out of your ear! You don't know where that finger's been!
User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17068 times:

So much for the 25 minute turn arounds, at least at LGA. But definitely a surprise.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17022 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
I would also expect a BNA flight to continue on to DAL under the wright deal.

Unable to do BNA-DAL under Wright-2...

User currently offlineJustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17024 times:

Why buy the certificate? What use could WN have for it?

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5543 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16996 times:

Good for WN. It'll muck their on-time stats up a bit with regards to the LGA flights in the event of any delay (pick a reason).

It'll be yet another way for me to get to work.

You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16998 times:

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 8):
Why buy the certificate? What use could WN have for it?

The slots are tied to it, methinks...

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8140 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16977 times:

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 6):
So much for the 25 minute turn arounds, at least at LGA. But definitely a surprise.

Many stations aren't scheduled for 25 turns these days, that belief was more like 10 year ago.

User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16983 times:

BTW: I didn't say - but - congratulations WN. You can only take 737's to LGA, you won't get caught in the "RJ to everywhere at any time" trap. The traffic is going to be a pain, but, way to go.

For some reason I just got to believe WN and FL are talking.

Rex Kramer: Get that finger out of your ear! You don't know where that finger's been!
User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16976 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 7):
Unable to do BNA-DAL under Wright-2...

Right. If they want a DAL flight, I'd look for MSY or STL to be the likely stopping points, with LIT or BHM being wildcards, but with limited slots, unlikely on the latter two.

User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16952 times:

You have it all wrong. I would expect to see 14 daily LGA-ISP flights.

User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16840 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Many stations aren't scheduled for 25 turns these days, that belief was more like 10 year ago.

Maybe not 25, but LGA is certainly going to skew those numbers higher than the average station turnaround. Offhand the only airport I can think of that has longer turnarounds Is LAX, and the times I've been there, they seem to get them in and out in 30-40 easily.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2880 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16838 times:

Is it me or it will be awesome to watch a WN 73NG doing an expressway visual!

[Edited 2008-11-18 18:37:45]

ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16810 times:

Can any of our Canadian friends tell us if WS is still flying to LGA (or if they do not, do they intend to resume service in the near future?) If so, LGA could serve as an additional connecting point for the upcoming WN/WS codeshare (might be especially convenient for transborder LFC service to/from Atlantic Canada (YUL, YOW, YHZ))

User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16776 times:

I thought the slots were going up for bid. Didn't AirTran express interest in the slots as well?

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16754 times:

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 12):
For some reason I just got to believe WN and FL are talking.

About the weather?

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 14):
You have it all wrong. I would expect to see 14 daily LGA-ISP flights.

Thats the laguardia slot misuse spirit! I wonder if DL or US advised them on that?

I could see them using every slot to fly to MDW. I doubt theyd distribute them among more than 2 cities, simply because of the frequency they like to offer.

User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16694 times:

I thought I felt the planet shift in its orbit today...
This is seriously surprising, I always put the odds that we'd ever see WN in one of the big 3 NYC airports at right about zero, perhaps a slight chance of EWR someday, if only to be sure to not cannibalize any of its ISP traffic.

This is going to be very interesting...

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 16):
Is it me or it will be awesome to watch a WN 73NG doing an expressway visual!

Well, it would be if that shade of blue in their livery wasn't so retina-shriveling...  duck 

User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16668 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
And in a related story, Hell has frozen over.

No kidding! I thought it was just the cold front overtaking the city.

I wonder if ISP will now fall off their map, since they've cut service there recently. I would imagine they'll still keep BDL.

They're going to have to shop for more slots to be able to network around. If they do, I agree with the above, MDW, possibly Florida (but why with the tons of competition?). My guess: DEN. I mean no more and no less than that, just a well placed destination capable from LGA, but now just watch the pot stirrers gather at this thread.


User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16653 times:

Southwest Airlines Co. has agreed to purchase assets of bankrupt ATA Airlines Inc. for $7.5 million to acquire 14 landing slots at New York's LaGuardia airport and enter the nation's biggest aviation market.

did ATA have 14 roundtrips a day or 7 takeoff and 7 landings?

Since ATA is in liquidation why did WN buy the certificate?

Maybe WN is going to start a subsiderary that will fly Q400's? (joking)

User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16646 times:

I can see both MDW and BWI

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16611 times:

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 22):
Since ATA is in liquidation why did WN buy the certificate?

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 8):
Why buy the certificate? What use could WN have for it?

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
The slots are tied to it, methinks...

25 DeltAirlines : 90% sure TZ had 7-8 daily flights out of LGA; really sure it wasn't more than 10 flights. So I'd tend to think that it will be 7 daily flights out of
26 STT757 : About freakin' time. This is a great move, one I've been predicting a long time. They had no choice, WN had to serve NYC area and not Suffolk County
27 ADXMatt : Why would WN want the TZ certificate? Then why doesn't WN have to buy the DCA slots then? Or take the DCA slots and lease them out to someone who woul
28 ChrisNH : I guess if you want to kick the legacy carriers in the seeds, you wait until they have no seeds. But I sure would like to see them do a 20-minute turn
29 SXDFC : I doubt it, They invested a lot of money in building a new terminal there, as well as many Long Islanders find it easier to fly out of ISP then to go
30 SouthLoopSWA : As long as we have overnights in Manhattan and not by the airport I'm cool with it! Seriously, I think we'll do well in LGA. As others have stated the
31 Rampart : No, I could see that as well. Los Angeles, SF Bay, South Florida, Boston, all examples of where WN uses multiple markets. I wasn't aware that WN had
32 STT757 : For many folks in New Jersey their nearest airport is PHL, so for the folks in Marlton, Medford Lakes, Cherry Hill etc. WN in PHL is a conveinance.
33 FlyPIJets : Is it me or does it seem like WN is cautiously eying two DL airports that might be candidate for a DL pull down, MSP and LGA . Yeah, I might be overlo
34 LAXintl : As the slots are married to them. The DOT/DOJ made it clear the last time around the BK court was trying to sell things that it did not have the righ
35 Post contains links LAXintl : Btw - here is a news story from last month about the slots and their transfer. ATA Airlines Offers Slots For Sale, But With An Important Footnote 10/2
36 FlyPIJets : You know, I don't think I knew an airline could lease its slots at LGA. Hmmm, maybe Westjet or Volaris wants to fly to LGA.
37 Rampart : Oh yeah, there is a south Jersey.
38 F9Animal : " target=_blank>http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....html Oh man... It is all over folks. The sky is falling. WN is out to kill off yet another ai
39 Acey : WS already tried LGA, had crappy slots for the business traveller, so they pulled out.
40 Aaden : possibly den-lga??? Aaden
41 Burnsie28 : Wait for it not to last long with all the delays. It will cripple WN's system.
42 PlanesNTrains : Maybe scheduling aircraft in an out-and-back format a la AA at ORD to avoid delays rippling through the system? -Dave
43 Rampart : filler filler filler[Edited 2008-11-18 20:52:30]
44 MattRB : WS only currently has seasonal service YYC-EWR. One can't help but think that with WN coming to LGA that WS will make a return, given their new codes
45 Mariner : Isn't DEN beyond the LGA perimeter? mariner
46 IFlyATA : Surprised the hell outta me! We'll see how this all goes for WN. For those wondering about the slots - while I don't know the exact number of slots AT
47 SXDFC : Would WN have to send all -700s into LGA or could they send all of the a/c. The reason why I ask this is because I understand LGA has noise restrictio
48 Post contains links Knope2001 : Are these the same slots that AirTran leased from ATA to add five flights at LGA earlier this year? If so, that would suggest a LaGuardia haircut for
49 Dbo861 : I wonder what we'll see from WN next. International flights? A second fleet type? Regional carrier? Seems that anything could be possible.
50 PanAm330 : I'd think HOU has 10x more of a chance of getting a LGA flight before MSY or STL does, at least for now. It's a much higher-yielding market. IIRC, TZ
51 RL757PVD : 14 daily flights will cripple nearly 4,000 daily flights? They may still account for a quick turn at the gate, but they sure as well wont block it ba
52 PanAm330 : It's grandfathered in, hence the reason F9 and UA are allowed to operate LGA-DEN.
53 OA412 : It is but the city was grandfathered in so DEN-LGA fligths are permitted.
54 DL Widget Head : Maybe I missed it while speed reading through the replies. Will they use the same gates that TZ used (and which were those) or has that issue not been
55 DocLightning : I'm surprised. LGA is so delay-prone that they're going to have to schedule a LOT of leeway into their scheduling to avoid a lot of system-wide delays
56 San747 : Interesting question... SNA is an all -700 station for noise reasons. If LGA is as restrictive (I'm not 100% familiar with LGA noise restrictions and
57 FreequentFlier : Fairly surprising, but not exceedingly so. Any guesses on WN's next destination? I'd have to go with CLT. If DL de-hubs them, CVG and MEM can't be too
58 Grain : if the 300's fly in, the 500's will also. ive seen 500's fly sea-mdw, mdw-mco, slc-mdw. they will fly these anywhere.
59 PlanesNTrains : Uh, ok. OR...they could: Interesting observation as usual Knope2001. WN gets to add LGA AND they get to kick AirTran to the curb. It's a great day in
60 TZTriStar500 : There is still to be a Nov. 21 ATA bankruptcy hearing on the sale of the company and I suspect this was released in advance of that. WN has the cash t
61 TZTriStar500 : Yes, these are the same slots FL is leasing from TZ, but if WN gets them, FL will still be flying to LGA, just less so. Also, it is not yet clear if
62 FrmrCAPCADET : Wasn't it $600 million that WN borrowed several months ago for unannounced purposes? So this is $7.5 mil. That leaves $592.5 mil for .............. Re
63 QANTAS747-438 : Doesn't LGA have a distance restriction on flights? If so, what is it? 1000 mi?
64 PlanesNTrains : My thoughts exactly. -Dave
65 N702ML : I know LGA is NOT PHL....however, i know that ATC delays at PHL can be horrible....and i do mean....HORRIBLE.... but WN has been serving PHL for a few
66 Cubsrule : I immediately wondered about this. I believe TZ still holds a CHI-GDL authority; what else do they still have? If WN wants to fly its own metal inter
67 Contrails : WN to LGA? I'm sorry, but it just doesn't sound right. I hope the brass at WN know what they're getting into. This doesn't sound like part of their ma
68 Jfk777 : 14 slots, 7 flights daily. I bet they fly to Chicago-Midway.
69 ExFATboy : Well, these days LGA is no more delay-prone than JFK or EWR, so if WN wanted to get into the main show in the New York market, it's no worse a choice
70 Post contains links SWABrian : For those of you raising the operational concern about LGA, Bill Owen in our Schedule Planning Department addressed this in an answer to a comment on
71 AWACSooner : That's actually working out for them incredibly well...and the delays at SFO have significantly decreased since they exited back in 2000.
72 ChrisNH : I do wonder whether LGA makes it more likely or less likely that Southwest enters Boston-Logan. I could make a case for either; what say you?
73 Typhaerion : TZ flew 733s in there for a year and a half starting in 2006 and was successful at it. I dont think the WN 733s will be a problem. I am in agreement
74 PVD757 : It's been simply a matter of time before WN is in BOS with at least a token amount of service for a couple years now IMHO. Think IAD and now LGA level
75 ChrisNH : I generally agree, although I also believe that they would play hardball with Massport. With PVD and MHT, they can play those cards right in the face
76 FATFlyer : I didn't realize TZ still had that authority. It raises some questions and possibilities related to the Mexico codeshare.
77 FlyingClrs727 : If they fly mostly MDW-LGA, HOU-LGA, and eventually DAL-LGA, the NG's are more efficient over those distances. I wonder if WN might eventually order
78 Steeler83 : I guess LGA-PIT isn't going to happen, but there is already low-fare service to JFK via B6. LGA would be nicer, because that airport has the higher Ne
79 TZTriStar500 : I'm not sure the TZ certificate still retains any specific route authorities, but it does retain the International rights to fly to numerous countrie
80 EMB170 : I dunno...entrance into airports like PHL, LGA, DEN, and SFO aside, one could argue that WN has already "made its bed" in greater BOS...They attacked
81 Cubsrule : I'm not aware of a proceeding in which TZ lost the CHI-GDL authority, nor am I aware of any dormancy requirements; the bilateral does not require the
82 TN757Flyer : I think what we've seen Southwest do over the last five years ago is obviously a move away from their old business model. I dare say if anyone in 200
83 RL757PVD : with MSP and LGA out fo the way, I think this certainly puts ATL, CLT and BOS on the WN short list. WN can no longer afford to tell business traveler
84 LAXintl : You are reading too much into this. All SWA needs to do is acquire ATA as an entity - the same way Delta purchased Northwest, etc. Thru the transacti
85 Post contains links TZTriStar500 : Well here it is in all of its legalese details......interesting read. http://docs.bmcgroup.com/Ata_Airline.../docs/insb_1-08-bk-03675_955_0.pdf http:/
86 STT757 : 1,500 miles except for Denver which is grandfathered in and there are no restrictions on Saturdays.. These initial slots are going to be all used for
87 Cubsrule : I think that's right... DL is at 7 daily on LGA-MDW, though they might increase that if WN could not respond.
88 STT757 : I think it's more likely DL drops LGA-MDW altogether.
89 Cubsrule : I disagree. DL moved the service to MDW when they couldn't get the slots at ORD because they felt like they needed to serve Chicago in order to be an
90 TZTriStar500 : This is what I thought with the exception that a corporate ATA is being kept alive through the Chap. 11 process and WN will be the 100% owner of "Reo
91 STT757 : DL only recently began the LGA-Chicago flights (within the last two years?), and I think it was in response to encroachment from AA into LGA-ATL, LGA
92 Cubsrule : It was longer ago than that... probably late 2005 or early 2006. It was a while after AA announced ATL-LGA (IIRC February 2005), and remember that it
93 Iowaman :
94 Post contains links STT757 : Summer 2006, 15 months give or take. Basically two years, not very long. I think DL can find better use of these slots than to be third fiddle to AA,
95 Mir : Amen to that. I'm going to look for the sunset in the East tonight. SNA is probably the most noise-restricted airport in the country. LGA doesn't hav
96 Cubsrule : Come on... you and I both know that the E70 is as comfortable as anything that WN, AA, or UA puts on the route.
97 Post contains links STT757 : If your still not convinced it was in response to AA, keep in mind LGA-Chicago was announced together with another route, LGA-DFW. http://news.delta.
98 PlanesNTrains : So do you foresee a WN acquisition of US (or US assets in a bidding war), because I'm not sure how else they get those destinations? Or do we think t
99 B752OS : I think WN will serve BOS within the next 3 years. Gary Kelly already told the Mass Chamber of Commerce that there is a very high likelihood WN will
100 Cubsrule : Fine, let's say it was a competitive response. Considering that DL is still in LGA-CHI but has left LGA-DFW, what is it now? Still a competitive resp
101 Reltney : Who cares? 737s fly into LGA all day with and without winglets. Watch a DC-10 or a L-1011fly it, that is a sight. I flew a 767-400 all month last yea
102 Wjcandee : Yes. Which is why I think you can expect that this is FAR from over. There will be political pressure from all sides as to what to do with the slots.
103 LGAUAOK : During rush hour the taxi ride from JFK or EWR can take 1 hour into midtown. The LIRR (Long Island Rail Road) ride into Penn Station (Midtown Manhatta
104 Cubsrule : Who told you that? If FR gets widebodies, that's going to be tough.
105 Wjcandee : Well, you're not taking some issues into account. One reason for DL to be on NYC-CHI is a simple one: it's the most (or one of the most) popular busi
106 Rampart : I think he might have been more jazzed about the airline rather than the type of aircraft coming to LGA. For a spotter or merely someone who likes va
107 STT757 : oops For the most part we agree.
108 Steeler83 : Well, if WN were to do LGA-PIT at some point in the future, I think it might be the end of B6 in PIT. Most of the PIT travelers to New York go to LGA
109 Cubsrule : You say I haven't take the following into account: ...but I already said this You seem to think that we disagree, but it looks to me like we're sayin
110 JA : I am glad at least someone understands this.
111 Mexicana757 : I too think all of those slots will be used to fly to MDW. I don't think WN will split the slots with no more than one or two cities. If the slots wer
112 Cubsrule : DL had had 1x ORD-JFK (operated by OH) for a while when they started the ORD-LGA service, but they used the 3 daily slots freed up by moving the LGA
113 TN757Flyer : Typo? AA has never flown ATL-CVG. I assume you mean LGA-CVG?
114 GARUDAROD : Hidden deep in the legalize is this, There are two slots leased to DL from ATA that are apart of the agreement. I read that to mean that DL will have
115 Cubsrule : Sure did... thanks.
116 AAden : UA and f9 fly nonstop.
117 ArcrftLvr : Better than taking the stupid Expressway.... 30 minute turns are the standard for WN. LAX is no different. How? 7 flights a day will hardly cripple t
118 Cubsrule : The existing service between the two doesn't suggest that there's a whole lot of demand, and IAD isn't an especially strong WN station.
119 Burnsie28 : SFO, PIT, IAD are not delay proned like LGA, WN schedules their planes to constantly be in the air, basically mostly 20 minute turns, if the flights
120 STT757 : But MSP is a major hub, you can't consider LGA a major hub for DL.
121 OzarkD9S : It wouldn't surprise me if WN isolates LGA to start. 2-3 aircraft flying MDW-LGA-MDW-LGA all day, without same plane service to beyond destinations.
122 Steex : Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't IAD isolated to MDW-only service when it was originally introduced by WN? Along with their introduction of
123 N7190JR : I dont think they'd be going after O&D traffic at BWI, it is a connection point for them. I'm thinking LGA-BWI, LGA-BNA-DAL and the long shot being L
124 B752OS : I think MDW has to be a given. MDW is a large hub WN, it must be in their top 3 or 4 as far as flights and destinations are concerned. Also, consider
125 PlanesNTrains : So 5 FL and 2 DL? I guess there's the 7. I'm guessing you didn't read the rest of the thread where a number of people gave alternatives to this i.e.
126 Post contains links STT757 : MDW is WN's second busiest operation. http://www.southwest.com/swamedia/cities/swamedia_mdw.html
127 ArcrftLvr : I'm wondering if they may initiate a daily LGA-IAD to compete with Delta Shuttle & US Airways Shuttle. Their business friendly pricing strategy may m
128 PlanesNTrains : Which brings up another question: It's clear that WN is making a move of sorts on LGA, so would a purchase of the US Shuttle (in the theoretical fire
129 PVD757 : I also think it safe to say that WN will be actively looking for any slots that are/come available from here on out. If they do all 7 to MDW this time
130 TZTriStar500 : Yes. Those 2 plus the 10 currently leased to FL would go to WN. No, there are no leased aircraft left at TZ and the only owned aircraft (3 L-1011-500
131 ArcrftLvr : Imagine seeing those TriStars in a WN livery....
132 RL757PVD : I wonder if they will do something likr 5x MDW, 2x BNA I know the perimeter rule is exempt on weekends but do the slots apply on weekends too? If not
133 Wjcandee : True, but it's not really a fair comparison, for a couple of reasons. As someone who has actually started going all the way to JFK to take B6 rather
134 UAL Bagsmasher : Is it just me, or is WN ever so slowly evolving into what they have prided themselves on avoiding all these years? Granted, times change and they to a
135 REALDEAL : Is there a curfew at LGA ?
136 Kohflot : It's very difficult to do this. A 2 hour groundstop to LGA followed by a 2 hour taxi time leaving LGA will destroy the rest of the MDW-LGA schedule.
137 DeltAirlines : If they tried to compete with the Shuttles by doing LGA-IAD, they'd get their behinds handed to them in a New York Minute. Biggest problem is IAD - f
138 PlanesNTrains : Indeed, they'd be foolish, and for that reason likely will not even try it. They will use the slots IMHO to places like MDW, BNA, and BWI where they
139 PanAm330 : No it wouldn't. The name of the game for WN in the LGA-WAS market would be connections, and IAD is a weak, weak station for them when compared to the
140 Lexy : I agree 100%! I think BNA WILL be a benefactor of these slots as will a couple others. WN starting service to LGA from BNA would be a line in the san
141 ExFATboy : At off times, I've driven Manhattan (14th & C) to JFK in 35 minutes, and that's without my usual former-Californian lead-reinforced foot - that's may
142 B752OS : Given that Amtrak has half the market between NYC and Washington, D.C. it would present many problems to those currently serving the market and WN. W
143 Cubsrule : No one going to the District itself would fly to IAD. The more interesting question is how much demand there is between Northern Virginia and LGA. I
144 TN757Flyer : Southwest can't fly BNA-DAL. It's not part of the Shelby Amendment to the Wright Amendment. At least until 2014. By then they can do the LGA-DAL nons
145 USAirALB : I see 3x MDW 2X BWI 1x BUF 1X ALB 2x PVD
146 Atrude777 : That's too many flights, has to be 7 r/t , you have 9. I predict.. SUN-FRI Either 7 daily to MDW or.. 2-MDW 2-BWI, 1-DEN, 1-HOU, 1-MCO Sat, 1-MDW, 1-
147 LTBEWR : They could do a one-plane LGA-MDW-a third city and similar returns, so good utilization and getting around the preimitar rules. Still this is a surpri
148 ArcrftLvr : I doubt PVD would work. They tried it from ISP and was dropped shortly thereafter...
149 QANTAS747-438 : Question about SLOTS: How is WN affected in the event of an aircraft swap, a ferry flt, a reposition flt, or a charter? Also, if a flight is cancelled
150 Post contains links HouStrategies : Given what they're paying for the slots, I'd assume they want every plane full of high-yielding, last minute, relatively long-haul business passengers
151 Wjcandee : Not an expert on this by any means, but let's assume that the highest-yield route with the best opportunity for conx is MDW, based upon the good o/d t
152 TxAgKuwait : First of all, congrats & best of luck to WN. LGA fills a need in their route network that has been there for quite some time. There should be no doub
153 ScottB : Unlikely, simply because they wouldn't be able to offer enough frequency to truly compete for the business traveler in the market, not to mention Amt
154 Wjcandee : Right, but Airtan will sell you a one-stop ticket for $138 each way on that same itinerary (leaving the 20th returning the 21st), except that it's to
155 DALMD88 : I believe there still is. I went down there many years ago to fix a commuter plane. The crew was very edgy. I believe the curfew was 11pm. We had to
156 HouStrategies : Yes, sorry. I understood that. But I think WN will want to maximize revenue per passenger or per flight for the limited 7/14 slots, not per passenger
157 PHLBOS : You do realize that if WN offers a similar fare to FL on a one-stop itinerary AND there's checked baggage involved; a traveler will save more money u
158 TN757Flyer : Since WN is only going to get seven departures out of this, I don't necessarily think a flight touching DAL may be their highest priority. I tend to g
159 ArcrftLvr : No, it just goes unused. An airline cannot react that quickly by adding another flight to fill the unused slot.
160 EMB170 : How about... 4 MDW (1 each continuing on to LAX, SAN, OAK, SEA) 2 MCI (1 each continuing on to DAL and DEN) 1 STL (continuing on to HOU)
161 IFlyATA : Yeah, the HOU-LGA run is interesting. From what I remember it was doing well until B6 started JFK-HOU, and then it started downhill. The connection p
162 MarkATL : Anyone know the fate of the TZ DCA slots?
163 Cubsrule : I don't think WN would be competitive on LGA-STL. AA ran WN out of STL-LAX, and given AA's plethora of LGA slots, I think we might see a competitive
164 PVD757 : True, but not due to a lack of demand. The flight was actually too short. The aircraft never reached cruise speed so the per mile fuel burn was the w
165 ArcrftLvr : Right. I actually took that flight a couple of times. I think we reached FL150 before we started our descent. It was very very quick. I couldn't imag
166 Eightball : I would love to see WN having a non-stop service between LGA and SAN. That would simply be awesome in my opinion.
167 Drerx7 : Yep - those delays often resulted in 752 and 753 substitutions. There was too much capacity at one time on HOU-NYC market - Jetblue had 3 daily 320s
168 DfwRevolution : Don't forget that LGA has a 1,500 mile perimeter rule with a single exception for Denver. No airline can fly LGA-SAN non-stop.
169 ScottB : ...except on Saturday, when the perimeter rule does not apply.
170 USAirALB : What about 1x PVD 1x ALB 1x BUF 2x BWI 2x MDW
171 LGA777 : One thing to consider in all the speculation is that on Saturday's at LGA you cannot only fly anywhere but also the slot rule does not apply. So if WN
172 Grain : they wont have any markets east of mdw with 1 flight. what happens when you miss the 11 am flight from alb to lga? you will have to wait another 24 ho
173 JustPlaneNutz : That's what I was thinking (and thanks for answering my question about slots on Saturdays). WN will scatch and claw to pick up slots a few at a time
174 Post contains links LAXintl : Well the BK judge yesterday approved SWA purchase of ATA LGA slot assets Full story (subscription required) http://www.aviationweek.com/publicat...+So
175 AWACSooner : About time...let the speculation begin!!! My opinion: 1xDEN 3xMDW 2xBWI 1xHOU
176 JetBluefan1 : I don't see how anything other than 7x LGA-MDW would work. In such large markets such as NYC, high-frequency in business markets is the only thing tha
177 MAH4546 : I don't think there is much speculation. I would be shocked if they are not all used to Chicago Midway, just like how when JetBlue launched LGA, they
178 RL757PVD : Something like 5x MDW 2x BNA might work to open access to the south and southeast areas that are not as efficently served via MDW BNA adds: FLL MCO T
179 Cubsrule : OTOH, they'd be contending with AA's superior frequency.
180 RL757PVD : Between WN's local BNA loyals + connections, they wont have a hard time with 2x BNA is also good in case thye want to reduce MDW on the weekends and
181 Enilria : I suspect you are right, but they will have access to a lot more than 14 slots. If they can find gates they will also be able to get more flights dur
182 ScottB : Agreed. NYC-Chicago is the single largest domestic city-pair market in the U.S. for O&D traffic -- although it is third behind NYC-PBI/FLL/MIA and NY
183 MOBflyer : I wonder if WN's relatively recent entry into once-taboo primary O&D markets is reflective of a change that ultimately bodes well for smaller cities.
184 Cubsrule : Anyone who is going to NYC from BNA a lot is likely loyal to AA. I don't know how many of those WN would be able to wrest away. If the goal is simply
185 RL757PVD : BWI is way too short, esp since frequency would be limited and there would be vitually zero O&D. How many of the BNA-LGA AA fliers are WN flyers for
186 Wjcandee : So, shall we try to predict what gate they'll take? Is the old ATA gate at the end of the finger next to Airtran available? Would anybody actually *wa
187 Cubsrule : No, but they cover a number of large local markets that WN does not: Dallas, D.C., Miami (we can argue about whether FLL is Miami), and New York.
188 Enilria : That's a good point, but I'm not sure it isn't so obvious assuming you are saying OMA is "small". If you are thinking they are going to add Lexington
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