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Could AS Join SkyTeam As An Associate Member?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

With DL/NW strenghtening their ties with AS, I was wondering, could this pave the way for AS to join SkyTeam as an associate member? Of course, AS has ties to airlines from both SkyTeam and Oneworld, however, their ties to DL/NW are now much stronger than they were previously, and I am thinking that this could lead them to join SkyTeam as an associate member sponsored by DL/NW.


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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

well, if they want to, I don't think Skyteam would object.... as an associate they would have to give up their own FF program, though...


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User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

why would they want or need to?

there is no benefit for them to change their current business strategy supporting as many different carriers with west coast feed regardless of their alliances


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3108 times:



Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 2):
why would they want or need to?

there is no benefit for them to change their current business strategy supporting as many different carriers with west coast feed regardless of their alliances

However, as I stated, they now have stronger ties to DL/NW than they previously did. DL/NW is now a more important partner for them than AA or CO.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2857 times:

Hopefully they dont, I would really like to see them stay partners with CO and AA.

User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2814 times:



Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 4):
Hopefully they dont, I would really like to see them stay partners with CO and AA.

Aren't they already FFP partner with AF?



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2786 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
Aren't they already FFP partner with AF?

Yeah they are partners with AF/KLM.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8579 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 2737 times:
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Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 4):
Hopefully they dont, I would really like to see them stay partners with CO and AA.

I would have thought an ongoing relationship with CO is pretty unlikely if the comprehensive CO/UA alliance gets the go ahead



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 2694 times:
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AS is already a code share whore,why pay to join an alliance when they already get the perks without the joining fee?

VS is not part of an alliance and they seem to be holding there own?



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User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2509 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
However, as I stated, they now have stronger ties to DL/NW than they previously did. DL/NW is now a more important partner for them than AA or CO.

you don't seem to get it.

Alaska codeshares and benefits from those codeshares with anyone they choose ... be it oneworld carriers, Star Alliance carriers or Skyteam carriers.

There is absolutely ZERO benefit to joining any alliance and loosing the ability to make money with whomever they want.


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

AS can do whatever they want! They are one of, if not the healthiest airlines out there. Why would they limit themselves to one alliance when they can be partners with everyone? It makes no sense, pretty much every airline would like to be partners with them so its not like they struggle to find partnerships.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
However, as I stated, they now have stronger ties to DL/NW than they previously did. DL/NW is now a more important partner for them than AA or CO.

I think that Logic is a bit off, just because DL/NW is bigger doesnt mean they are more important...KS and 7H are two of the smallest airlines that AS is partners with, but some would argue that they are the most important of all. It all depends on where the AS FF's want to fly, if most of them want to fly to a CO or AA spot then that would make them more important than DL. As said before DL needs AS more than AS needs DL.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Why only have them as an Associate Member? With CO departing for Star and NW eventually being absorbed into DL, there is room for another US airline to become a full member in SkyTeam. AS has a pretty strong West Coast network, and their connection opportunities at SEA, PDX, and LAX could be beneficial to the alliance, especially with the international flights SkyTeam airlines have into/out of those airports.

Then again, having the deals that they currently have with a variety of airlines hasn't been that bad of a thing for them. There's plenty of opportunities out there for AS that would probably work out better than latching on to an alliance, but joining an alliance or choosing to dance with a variety of partners each come with their pluses and minuses.


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
but joining an alliance or choosing to dance with a variety of partners each come with their pluses and minuses.

I have yet to see a plus for AS joining any Alliance, yes its going to be good for the Alliance but how is it good for AS?


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 12):
I have yet to see a plus for -->-->-->AS-->-->--> joining any Alliance, yes its going to be good for the Alliance but how is it good for -->-->-->AS-->-->-->?-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->
You concede that AS would be good for an alliance. Then, why wouldn't the converse be true? Why would joining an alliance not have a plus for AS? Doesn't it stand to reason that if AS benefits an alliance then AS itself would benefit. Indeed, Alliances are EXTREMELY beneficial for the airlines; certainly much more so than a hodge podge of independent, limited code share agreements.

[Edited 2008-11-21 01:16:51]

[Edited 2008-11-21 01:18:27]

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13634 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2124 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
DL/NW is now a more important partner for them than AA

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At present, the codeshare with AA is actually several times larger than the codeshare with both DL and NW combined.

While AS values all of their codeshare partners, they have indicated zero intention of joining any alliance if it means having to terminate codeshare agreements with non-alliance carriers.



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2118 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
At present, the codeshare with AA is actually several times larger than the codeshare with both DL and NW combined.

I did not know that. Can you share any data supporting that assesment?


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2116 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 15):

I know a sure-fire way of AS joining an alliance, specifically Skyteam. Do you?  Big grin


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 16):
I know a sure-fire way of AS joining an alliance, specifically Skyteam. Do you?

Indeed I do despite all of the nay sayers.  wave 


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1978 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 17):
Indeed I do despite all of the nay sayers.

Of course, it is if DL buys out AS.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
At present, the codeshare with AA is actually several times larger than the codeshare with both DL and NW combined.

Not true at all. Delta has recently signed a marketing alliance with AS, and it is not just because of the NW buyout.

Also, as a previous poster said, I don't see the codeshare with CO lasting much longer as CO will be switching to Star Alliance.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1902 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 13):
You concede that AS would be good for an alliance. Then, why wouldn't the converse be true? Why would joining an alliance not have a plus for AS? Doesn't it stand to reason that if AS benefits an alliance then AS itself would benefit. Indeed, Alliances are EXTREMELY beneficial for the airlines; certainly much more so than a hodge podge of independent, limited code share agreements.

but how would that be better than AS just staying partners with everyone? It wouldnt, your options are very limited when your in an Alliance. Does it do more good for AS to be a partner with AA or someone like China Southern?

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
Of course, it is if DL buys out AS.

Could they afford it? Last time I checked AS was trading at about 22 and DL at about 9.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1892 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
Not true at all. Delta has recently signed a marketing alliance with AS, and it is not just because of the NW buyout.

The "preferred partnership" with DL is really nothing new from Alaska Airlines' standpoint as they had a very similar arrangement with NW prior to the merger. Thus, DL is essentially adpoting the same level of relationship with AS that NW already had in place. AS still does extensive codesharing with AA and I don't see this changing in the near term.


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