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CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 715 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

Update

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl.../whos-left-the-747400-backlog.html

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Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

But UPS has 5 744 orders left. Will the last 4 be converted to 747-8s?

Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7410 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9844 times:

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Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 1):
But UPS has 5 744 orders left. Will the last 4 be converted to 747-8s?

Doubt it since UPS ordered these because the A380F was cancelled for now. UPS needs them now not in 2011.

Nomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 1):
But UPS has 5 744 orders left. Will the last 4 be converted to 747-8s?

Doubt it since UPS ordered these because the A380F was cancelled for now. UPS needs them now not in 2011.

Not likely since Boeing stopped selling 744s two years before UPS cancelled the 380F.
The big UPS order after the 380 cancellation was for 27 767Fs.

Andy Goetsch

Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

A quick thought...

Since the 747-8 has been delayed, could a customer come in and order some additional 744s? There could still be a market for 744 freighters for current opperators who might not want to wait for the 748 to be delivered. I mean, let's face it, the 787 is hugely delayed..who knows how delayed the 748 is going to be.

It's a possibility??

Nomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9581 times:

Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 4):
A quick thought...

Since the 747-8 has been delayed, could a customer come in and order some additional 744s? There could still be a market for 744 freighters for current operators who might not want to wait for the 748 to be delivered. I mean, let's face it, the 787 is hugely delayed..who knows how delayed the 748 is going to be.

It's a possibility??

The 748 can't start production until the 744 line shuts down for conversion. They've already started on the first 748 components but can't start making a plane out of them till the line is ready. Building more 744s would just delay the 748 more.

Andy Goetsch

Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9332 times:

Isn´t any 2nd hand B747s for sale right now? I think conversion of these into freighters are the solution.

WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2114 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9307 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 1):
But UPS has 5 744 orders left.

Boeing db says only one new build 744 left for UPS.
Looks like the other four are coming to UPS from Cargolux (link).

[Edited 2008-11-19 22:48:04]

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Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9275 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 7):
Could some of those five be conversions? Boeing db says only one new build 744 left for UPS

Oh, I didn't think about that. Anyone have any info on this?

WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2114 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

@Pilotboi:

Apologies, I edited my post while you were posting.
The other four (N580UP, N581UP, N582UP, N583UP) are coming from Cargolux.
See the press release from UPS.

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Nomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 6):
Isn´t any 2nd hand B747s for sale right now? I think conversion of these into freighters are the solution.

Conversion is the destiny of many older 747s and it's a booming business. But the nose door on new planes is a factor for some companies and not all of them want a 25 year old frame. Not to mention the considerably improved capabilties and economics of the -8.

Andy Goetsch

Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 9):
Apologies, I edited my post while you were posting.
The other four (N580UP, N581UP, N582UP, N583UP) are coming from Cargolux.
See the press release from UPS.

No worries! And thanks for finding the info.

Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7410 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Quoting Nomadd22 (Reply 3):
Not likely since Boeing stopped selling 744s two years before UPS cancelled the 380F.
The big UPS order after the 380 cancellation was for 27 767Fs.

SO when did UPS order the 744F's ? Boeing making them, saw one recently at the Boeing Field.

Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):

SO when did UPS order the 744F's ? Boeing making them, saw one recently at the Boeing Field.

August 2005. http://www.pressroom.ups.com/pressreleases/current/0,1088,4591,00.html

Of course they're still making them, that's what this thread is all about - the last few 744s to be built.

FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

LN 1419 will be the last 747-400F

LN 1420 (CN 35808) will be the first 747-8R7F N747EX , for Cargolux.

Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 6):
Isn´t any 2nd hand B747s for sale right now? I think conversion of these into freighters are the solution.

The problem is that the 744BCF is a more limited platform. Between the drop in payload and the lower payload loading (due to a weaker floor), it's appeal to the really heavy cargo operators is very limited, hence they continue to buy new-build dedicated 744 and 748 freighters.

[Edited 2008-11-20 09:28:49]

DUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
UPS ordered these because the A380F was cancelled

Incorrect.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
for now.

Don't think we will ever see the A380F.

Quoting Nomadd22 (Reply 3):
UPS cancelled the 380F.

Correct.

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CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 715 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

I take it this http://paineairport.com/kpae1469.htm is line number 1411 originally for NCA as JA09KZ and therefore the NCA lettering on the front?

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WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2114 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 17):
...line number 1411 originally for NCA

There is a recent press release on the Cargo B website about leasing a new-build 74F from NCA..

"After successfully completing its first year of operations, Brussels based Cargo B Airlines announces an agreement with Nippon Cargo Airlines. Cargo B will dry lease a new B747-400 freighter to be delivered towards the end of the year. The aircraft will be employed on the busy South American routes and will take over from the existing B747-200 which will be phased out during 2009....."

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