DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13113 times:
Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1): When the operating certificates are merged. The US/HP merger is a good example of such.
Wrong. NW crews can't work DL planes until the operating certificates are merged. That doesn't mean planes on the DL certificate (staffed with DL crewmembers) can't do a DTW-GRR flight on a DL MD-88 if Virginia Ave. decides to put that plane on that route. The crew might simply do an ATL-DTW-GRR-DTW-ATL trip.
I'll even give you an example with the US/HP merger. For the past 2-3 years, US East metal has been operating several former HP flights ex-PHX. I have seen a US East A320 at ONT the past 3 weeks when I've taken the ONT-ATL DL flight. US East hasn't served ONT in years (since the PSA days, and I'm not sure if they did even then). Either way, they sure didn't serve ONT-PHX. It was always a West route. But that US crew could very well be doing PHL-PHX-ONT Day 1, overnight, ONT-PHX-PHL on Day 2.
As for the OP, it'll happen over time. The first priority right now seems to be swapping the international fleet. ATL-NRT is the first example, but others are sure to come (for example, PDX-AMS is a frequent route that is rumored to be switched to a DL 767-300, likewise some NW A330s going to ATL/JFK). Domestically will be slower - first priority might be to get some DC-9s into DL hubs to upgrade some RJ markets, but who knows right now.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13096 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3): Does this mean we will see the DL 777s at DTW in the summer 2009 perhaps replacing some of the A330 routes to Europe?
You'll probably see DL 777s at DTW at some point, but they won't be replacing A330s. They'd be taking over for 747s going to Asia. DL tends to use the range of the 777s to allow for the longer range missions over to Asia/Middle East/India.
In fact, NW's A330s hold more people (298) than DLs 777s (276 in the -LRs, 268 in the -ERs).
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12950 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 6): You'll probably see DL 777s at DTW at some point, but they won't be replacing A330s. They'd be taking over for 747s going to Asia. DL tends to use the range of the 777s to allow for the longer range missions over to Asia/Middle East/India.
Perhaps maybe eventually even some new routes out of DTW to Asia that might have too much demand for a 787 - perhaps the return to South Korea - that used to be served on a 744 at one time.
Or maybe on some European routes that might demand more than a 767-300, if they don't use the A330 on it - perhaps to CDG, if Delta decides to serve there from DTW - I thought I read that NWA was suspending that route - perhaps maybe to put DAL on that route. Or, perhaps could be used on DTW-AMS
FFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12324 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter): When will we start seeing an increase in actual Delta aircraft at DTW other than the normally scheduled Delta/DL Conn flights from ATL, CVG etc?
For example, when will we start seeing perhaps a DL MD-88 running a current NWA DC-9 route at DTW or other types etc?
I guess the same goes for NWA aircraft out of ATL? We did hear of the DL 744 doing ATL-NRT, but how about ones flying in NWA colors to other places other than DTW, MSP and MEM.
Effective in January 2009, the Delta schedule between ATL - DTW has 11 daily flights - ALL mainline mix of both DL and NW operated equipment. There are also some 757's in the schedule. ATL - MSP is updated for January as well with several 757's and ALL mainline equipment for a total of 13 flight. This is just the beginning of what we will see down the road with a few widebody aircraft added between hub to hub flying and aircraft positioning.
The best way to look at these changes is to go to www.delta.com and go to drop down area at top under Planning and Reservations, then look at Flight Schedules with your input data. Will also note when a flight is operated by NWA Inc versus Delta operated.
Gsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11536 times:
Quoting JBo (Reply 15): At the corporate level, perhaps, but not operationally ... hence use of "per se"
At every level. Why do you think the CEO of NWA is also the President and Chief Financial Officer of Delta? Everyone has to get over this notion that just because they are not flying under a single certificate, that there are still two airlines. Really there is one airline. Nothing goes on at NWA that Delta has not reviewed approved. All of the revenue goes into one pot and all of the expenses come out of that pot.
TISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 315 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10089 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4): Wrong. NW crews can't work DL planes until the operating certificates are merged.
Seriously, do we have to start threads like this? I have seen this more and more lately (starting a response with Wrong). No need to be offensive to communicate your point. A little civility goes a long way.
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4882 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9950 times:
Quoting TISTPAA727 (Reply 20): Seriously, do we have to start threads like this? I have seen this more and more lately (starting a response with Wrong). No need to be offensive to communicate your point. A little civility goes a long way.
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