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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13659 times:

When will we start seeing an increase in actual Delta aircraft at DTW other than the normally scheduled Delta/DL Conn flights from ATL, CVG etc?

For example, when will we start seeing perhaps a DL MD-88 running a current NWA DC-9 route at DTW or other types etc?

I guess the same goes for NWA aircraft out of ATL? We did hear of the DL 744 doing ATL-NRT, but how about ones flying in NWA colors to other places other than DTW, MSP and MEM.

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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13631 times:

When the operating certificates are merged. The US/HP merger is a good example of such.

Northwest is currently a subsidiary known as NWA, Inc., and is not completely Delta per se.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13618 times:

20-30 route / aircraft swaps planned for Summer 2009. Primarily going to be widebody aircraft. Very limited amount of narrowbody swapping initially.

Mesaba Saab flying in ATL is going to start in March.
First 744 is repainted in Dec.
ATL-NRT 744 doesn't start until May/June (I forget the exact date)

Other than the 744, aircraft repainting isn't going to get started until after the holidays.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

Does this mean we will see the DL 777s at DTW in the summer 2009 perhaps replacing some of the A330 routes to Europe?

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13570 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
When the operating certificates are merged. The US/HP merger is a good example of such.

Wrong. NW crews can't work DL planes until the operating certificates are merged. That doesn't mean planes on the DL certificate (staffed with DL crewmembers) can't do a DTW-GRR flight on a DL MD-88 if Virginia Ave. decides to put that plane on that route. The crew might simply do an ATL-DTW-GRR-DTW-ATL trip.

I'll even give you an example with the US/HP merger. For the past 2-3 years, US East metal has been operating several former HP flights ex-PHX. I have seen a US East A320 at ONT the past 3 weeks when I've taken the ONT-ATL DL flight. US East hasn't served ONT in years (since the PSA days, and I'm not sure if they did even then). Either way, they sure didn't serve ONT-PHX. It was always a West route. But that US crew could very well be doing PHL-PHX-ONT Day 1, overnight, ONT-PHX-PHL on Day 2.

As for the OP, it'll happen over time. The first priority right now seems to be swapping the international fleet. ATL-NRT is the first example, but others are sure to come (for example, PDX-AMS is a frequent route that is rumored to be switched to a DL 767-300, likewise some NW A330s going to ATL/JFK). Domestically will be slower - first priority might be to get some DC-9s into DL hubs to upgrade some RJ markets, but who knows right now.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13561 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
Does this mean we will see the DL 777s at DTW in the summer 2009 perhaps replacing some of the A330 routes to Europe?

No. All the DL 777 flying for Summer '09 is accounted for in the major international expansion that was announced last week.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13553 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
Does this mean we will see the DL 777s at DTW in the summer 2009 perhaps replacing some of the A330 routes to Europe?

You'll probably see DL 777s at DTW at some point, but they won't be replacing A330s. They'd be taking over for 747s going to Asia. DL tends to use the range of the 777s to allow for the longer range missions over to Asia/Middle East/India.

In fact, NW's A330s hold more people (298) than DLs 777s (276 in the -LRs, 268 in the -ERs).


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13407 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 6):
You'll probably see DL 777s at DTW at some point, but they won't be replacing A330s. They'd be taking over for 747s going to Asia. DL tends to use the range of the 777s to allow for the longer range missions over to Asia/Middle East/India.

Perhaps maybe eventually even some new routes out of DTW to Asia that might have too much demand for a 787 - perhaps the return to South Korea - that used to be served on a 744 at one time.

Or maybe on some European routes that might demand more than a 767-300, if they don't use the A330 on it - perhaps to CDG, if Delta decides to serve there from DTW - I thought I read that NWA was suspending that route - perhaps maybe to put DAL on that route. Or, perhaps could be used on DTW-AMS


User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13394 times:

April we should start seeing NW/DL on each others routes.

User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13174 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
Does this mean we will see the DL 777s at DTW in the summer 2009 perhaps replacing some of the A330 routes to Europe?

Will we see DL 777s in DTW? -Yes

Will they go to Europe? - I doubt it.

Besides, I want my KLM 777 back. How will the merger affect the chances of it coming back? I am keeping my fingers crossed for 2010.


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13008 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Mesaba Saab flying in ATL is going to start in March.

I've never thought about the Saabs in DL colors- those should look pretty cool....



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12983 times:



Quoting NW (Reply 8):
April we should start seeing NW/DL on each others routes.

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Thats what wer are being told.


User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12781 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
When will we start seeing an increase in actual Delta aircraft at DTW other than the normally scheduled Delta/DL Conn flights from ATL, CVG etc?

For example, when will we start seeing perhaps a DL MD-88 running a current NWA DC-9 route at DTW or other types etc?

I guess the same goes for NWA aircraft out of ATL? We did hear of the DL 744 doing ATL-NRT, but how about ones flying in NWA colors to other places other than DTW, MSP and MEM.

Effective in January 2009, the Delta schedule between ATL - DTW has 11 daily flights - ALL mainline mix of both DL and NW operated equipment. There are also some 757's in the schedule. ATL - MSP is updated for January as well with several 757's and ALL mainline equipment for a total of 13 flight. This is just the beginning of what we will see down the road with a few widebody aircraft added between hub to hub flying and aircraft positioning.

The best way to look at these changes is to go to www.delta.com and go to drop down area at top under Planning and Reservations, then look at Flight Schedules with your input data. Will also note when a flight is operated by NWA Inc versus Delta operated.


User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12505 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Northwest is currently a subsidiary known as NWA, Inc., and is not completely Delta per se.

Northwest/NWA, Inc, is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines and is completely Delta.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12290 times:

Well I figure eventually Delta will bring the 767-300s back on the DTW-ATL route like they did pre 9/11.

I am wondering when I will get a direct MCO-DTW flight and if that will ever be done by a 767-300 or 400.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12101 times:



Quoting Gsosbee (Reply 13):
Northwest/NWA, Inc, is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines and is completely Delta.

At the corporate level, perhaps, but not operationally ... hence use of "per se"



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12022 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
US East hasn't served ONT in years (since the PSA days, and I'm not sure if they did even then).

No....you are right DeltAirlines, they did serve ONT in the post-PSA days....

http://www.departedflights.com/US070189.html

http://www.departedflights.com/US100189.html

http://www.departedflights.com/US090590.html

http://www.departedflights.com/US030191.html


User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11993 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 15):
At the corporate level, perhaps, but not operationally ... hence use of "per se"

At every level. Why do you think the CEO of NWA is also the President and Chief Financial Officer of Delta? Everyone has to get over this notion that just because they are not flying under a single certificate, that there are still two airlines. Really there is one airline. Nothing goes on at NWA that Delta has not reviewed approved. All of the revenue goes into one pot and all of the expenses come out of that pot.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11970 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
Well I figure eventually Delta will bring the 767-300s back on the DTW-ATL route like they did pre 9/11.

Don't count on it, unless its positioning from ATL and then continuing somewhere else (say CDG or FCO) for example.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
I am wondering when I will get a direct MCO-DTW flight and if that will ever be done by a 767-300 or 400.

Again, don't count on it. All 767-400ERs will be on international duties by this time next year.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11722 times:



Quoting Gsosbee (Reply 17):
Everyone has to get over this notion that just because they are not flying under a single certificate, that there are still two airlines. Really there is one airline.

Really...... And just what callsign is the crew on a NW 744 still using? NW is just as separate from DL as Comair is. Only difference is that the NWA certificate will someday disappear.


User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 328 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10546 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
Wrong. NW crews can't work DL planes until the operating certificates are merged.

Seriously, do we have to start threads like this? I have seen this more and more lately (starting a response with Wrong). No need to be offensive to communicate your point. A little civility goes a long way.



Don't sweat the little things.
User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10407 times:



Quoting TISTPAA727 (Reply 20):
Seriously, do we have to start threads like this? I have seen this more and more lately (starting a response with Wrong). No need to be offensive to communicate your point. A little civility goes a long way.

Softy, are we?  Wink



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User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10341 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
I have seen a US East A320 at ONT the past 3 weeks when I've taken the ONT-ATL DL flight.

I flew DL ONT-ATL several times in the past few weeks, and I've seen the A320, and an A319 (I believe) as we taxied by T4.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9430 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10341 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Other than the 744, aircraft repainting isn't going to get started until after the holidays.

right, They want to have all NWA gone by 2010(the end i believe)

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 18):
Don't count on it, unless its positioning from ATL and then continuing somewhere else (say CDG or FCO) for example.

even then its not likely. Most of the times the planes will be routed ATL-FCO-DTW-FCO-ATL or JFK-FCO-DTW-FCO-JFK
this is how its done at CVG and i bet it will be the same way in DTW.



yep.
User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 328 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10295 times:
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Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 21):
Softy, are we? Wink

I can take it and dish it out; I just like to think we can all be a bit more civil.

But, point taken so I will get off my mini-soapbox.

 Smile



Don't sweat the little things.
25 Dutchdragon : So is there any possibility that the A-330's that fly the SEA-NRT V.V. AND SEA-AMS V.V. AND SEA-LHR V.V. be replaced by either DL 767's or 777's ? Als
26 Cubsrule : I wouldn't count on it at all. Most (all?) potential DTW 763ER cities will also see 763ER service from another hub, permitting them to bridge aircraf
27 NASCARAirforce : What about the USA A319 logojets - retro, football colors and state colors? Weren't they all the ex America West 319s? I see the PSA colors 319 flyin
28 Cubsrule : Alleghent: ex-East (N745UW) America West: ex-West (N828AW) Piedmont: ex-East (N744US) PSA: ex-East (N742US) Eagles: ex-East (N709UW) Panthers: ex-Eas
29 DIA : I wonder about the 753s...and what routes they will ultimately end up on. I like the sound of that! BTW, looking for Jan 09 flights, I found an MD-90
30 NASCARAirforce : The Arizona Cardinals A319 is missing. I seen it once at MCO but it might have come in from LAS or PHX. Just like I seen the Arizona flag 757 probabl
31 Cubsrule : It's a West bird (N837AW).
32 Jmc1975 : America West new colors: ex-West (N838AW)
33 Cubsrule : Thanks... looks like the "east" special paint schemes (East predecessors and states/teams) are East aircraft and the same is true for West.[Edited 20
34 PSU.DTW.SCE : Tenatively going to continue doing what they are currently doing. There are only 16 in the fleet and they serve the same role essentially as DL's dom
35 NASCARAirforce : What about out of DTW and MSP? If the economy starts improving perhaps DTW and MSP to west coast, MCO and some other higher density routes?
36 DeltaL1011man : Thats what the 753 is for.
37 Davescj : Could we see something similar to the ATL-JFK that is occasionally a 763, which I am guessing then goes on to an international route? I could see a 7
38 NASCARAirforce : That would make sense for the 767-300s/400s - CDG-DTW-ATL maybe in the morning, and perhaps a ATL-DTW-AMS on a 777 at night
39 727LOVER : Never mind the planes, what happens to the big NW mural at DTW?
40 Dtw9 : I'd like to know if the DC-3 over at the Henry Ford is going to be repainted. Remember Northwest had Herman painted over when they took over Republic
41 BrianDromey : Why would they replace a lighter, cheaper, more suitable frame, unpayload restricted with a frame which can carry less passengers, is heavier and cou
42 NASCARAirforce : That pissed me off when they painted over Herman... However Northwest is the sponsor there.
43 Bobnwa : Which predecessor company, ie: North Central, Southern, Hughes actually flew the aircraft in service, and was that the livery it was painted in befor
44 Dtw9 : North Central , old 728, the corporate DC-3
45 N801NW : Where is this mural? I've been through DTW numerous times and have not seen it.
46 Dtw9 : It's on the side of a hanger on the Southest side of of the airport. If you enter the airport from Merriman road you will see it
47 Dtw9 : My mistake It's on the Northeast side
48 N801NW : Thanks, for some reason I was assuming it would be in the terminal. As a connecting pax, I've never left the terminal so that would explain it.
49 Post contains links and images Dtw9 : Here is a pic of 728
50 DTWAGENT : I know that in the system right now. DL is flying MD-90's DTW/ATL and they have even put on one (1) ATL/DTW/ATL. So I know we will be seeing more DL c
51 Post contains images NWADC9 :
52 Post contains links Michman : Here's a pretty good view of the mural which wraps cargo building -- Here http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...4761&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 a
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