Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 31 Posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1940 times:
many persons claim the 340-600 to be a direct 747 rival in terms of passenger capacity. Is this true? In other words, can the 346 seat 569 like the 744 (or at least 550, like the 742)?
I know this is just a theoretical question, but I find one class layouts easier to compare than three class layouts.
LBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
380 is the quoted capacity, but this will be in different classes. I know the 744 can carry over 500, but how many does a 744 generally carry, 350-400? With a 30" pitch throughout the A346 could be near 500.
Cwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
I have also read that Airbus is exploring or is actually offering the option of moving lavatories and galleys downstairs to give the plane an equal, three-calss capacity to that of the 744. I wish I could remember where I read that...it may even have been on the Airbus site.
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Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1783 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1801 times:
It makes a lot more sense listening to what airlines plan than reading capacities on the manufacturers' websites. Both Boeing and Airbus grossly overstate capacity principally by using seat pitches much less than the market will accept.
For example both manufacturers tend to use 39" as the seat pitch in J Class when quoting capacity. These days an international J Class with 39" would be unmarketable. The average pitch is now over 50" in this class.
ILoVeA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1772 times:
A standard 3 class 744 has more like 350-360 seats. the 500+ are mostly high density 747SR flown in asia. 550 seat is (excuse my crudness) a hell of a lot of seats even for a 747. Thats 55 rows of economy seats in a standard cramped 3-4-3 figuration.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1761 times:
Airbus would like to say that the A346 competes directly with the 744, but it really can't. Yes, it can carry more underfloor cargo, but the 744 can seat 30-40 more than the A346. The A346 is more of a competitor for the 777-300ER. Airbus still has no true 744 competitor.
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1744 times:
What, only 475??? A 340-300 can carry 440, and it´s over 9m shorter!
Just for the record, 777-300´s capacity is 550, like the 747-200´s.
I agree these figures are highly theoretical because no one is probably going to order a/c in these configurations. But I find this easier to compare than with "standard" three class layouts: 340-600 = 380 ; 747-400 = 390 - what IS a standard three class layout? As long as you don´t say "standard three class layout means 68.5 % of the high density single class layout" these numbers are just uncomparable.
Apart from that, I find ILOVEA340´s example very good:
>>Here is a good example. Swissair will have about 306 seats in an A340-600 >>aND THEY HAD ABOUT (please correct me if I'm wrong) anout 330 seats in >>their 743's These are both three class.
because it gives me the common standard I need to compare.