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Report: Obama May Tap Duane Woerth To Head FAA  
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/081121/business_us_faa_leader.html?.v=3

I know he headed ALPA for many years, but I am not sure what having a former ALPA head in the top spot at the FAA will mean? One pilot I talked to today didn't sound thrilled at this prospect. Any insights?

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Maybe this may shed some light on it:

http://www.jetwhine.com/2007/11/whos...ide-was-past-alpa-duane-woerth-on/

IIRC, he was also a pilot at Mississippi Valley Airlines when I was there in late 1981...

I've also read where Obama's pick for DOT Sec. may be former FAA head Jane Garvey, and I sure hope *that* one isn't true....


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

I know Duane very well. I think there are a few interesting things that need to be mentioned. First, following his defeat he never did return to NWA as a line pilot. He resigned his postion and started his own consulting firm. Duane is a very smart person, however, and this is only my own personal opinion, Duane will look out for Duane. I was, and several hundred other pilots were, very disappointed in his performance as the head of ALPA.

He was often referred to as "Duane Worthless".

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
IIRC, he was also a pilot at Mississippi Valley Airlines when I was there in late 1981...

I don't think he was there, but I could be wrong. I know he was ex-military (KC-135) and I thought he was ex-Brannif. He got hired by NWA shortly after Braniff went under. But again, he could have done a touch and go at Mississippi Valley.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4501 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
I don't think he was there, but I could be wrong. I know he was ex-military (KC-135) and I thought he was ex-Brannif. He got hired by NWA shortly after Braniff went under. But again, he could have done a touch and go at Mississippi Valley.

I could be wrong, but his name sure rings a bell. I was doing my own touch and go there (before departing the pattern for Air Florida in MIA), and made a typo in my my previous post, as I was there from 9/1980 until just after Christmas 1980.


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4501 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
I know Duane very well. I think there are a few interesting things that need to be mentioned. First, following his defeat he never did return to NWA as a line pilot. He resigned his postion and started his own consulting firm. Duane is a very smart person, however, and this is only my own personal opinion, Duane will look out for Duane. I was, and several hundred other pilots were, very disappointed in his performance as the head of ALPA.

Thanks for that info. I was an MEC member and in Vegas when Duane lost his re-election bid. What you've written pretty well confirms what I thought from the times I met the guy.

I was wondering if he returned to NWA or not. I distinctly remember a few of the NWA MEC members campaigning against him. Duane said it was a lot like getting the support of the AAA PHL reps. Something he wasn't interested in.

I'm sure if Obama picks him to head up the FAA he'll do fine. I'm not especially happy with the direction ALPA has taken, but that has more to do with its membership than leadership. Things are no rosier with Prater in there.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

You gotta love all this "Change." I suppose change means: "replacing today's failures with yesterday's failures."


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4452 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
You gotta love all this "Change." I suppose change means: "replacing today's failures with yesterday's failures."

Well form a political standpoint it makes sense... Need to repay unions, but need to reach out to one that doesn't overwhelmingly vote Dem.

I'm loving all this "change".....


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4430 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
You gotta love all this "Change." I suppose change means: "replacing today's failures with yesterday's failures."

Especially if Garvey gets DOT Sec.

Mike Boyd must be absolutely livid...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25166 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Oh God I hope not --

Talk about a adversarial relationship with the industry



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4332 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
You gotta love all this "Change." I suppose change means: "replacing today's failures with yesterday's failures."

Listen, he wouldn't be my first pick either, but even yesterday's failures (which I assume means all of the old Clinton people Obama is pulling in) are hero's next to some of the people we've got in charge now. For God's sake, the people in charge now created the TSA. I think that's all that needs to be said. All politics aside, I think the big failure of Bush was lack of competence of many of the people appointed to positions like this, not necessarily views or opinions.

Why can't they get someone like Gordon Bethune or Bob Crandall to do it, at least for just a couple of years to get things rolling. Someone really sharp who understands the issues from both sides.

As for whoever ends up getting appointed, there is no point in hating on them until they screw up... everyone should get a chance. Sometimes the most capable people come from surprising places.

It doesn't help anyone to have a polarizing figure in that office. As I see it, the biggest issue for the FAA in the next 4 or 8 years has to be modernizing ATC, and so I say whoever has the strongest credentials there should be considered.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4325 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 9):
which I assume means all of the old Clinton people Obama is pulling in) are hero's next to some of the people we've got in charge now

No, not all the people. Some were successful. But someone campaigning on "change" shouldn't have picked Biden to begin with and shouldn't be talking to some of the people he's talking to about major positions. It's just replacing one group of crappy people with a different group of crappy people, many who have already proved they are worthless.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4294 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):


Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 9):
which I assume means all of the old Clinton people Obama is pulling in) are hero's next to some of the people we've got in charge now

No, not all the people. Some were successful. But someone campaigning on "change" shouldn't have picked Biden to begin with and shouldn't be talking to some of the people he's talking to about major positions. It's just replacing one group of crappy people with a different group of crappy people, many who have already proved they are worthless.

Bill Clinton (who also ran on change) appointed a whole bunch of people who were totally new to working in an administration and the first few years were really disorganized and poor. I speculate Obama is hoping to avoid that and bring in some experience to get things rolling right away (and to offset his lack of experience). We live in dangerous times and don't have the luxury of gap time for new people to learn how things work. The first year of both Clinton and Bush's presidencies the US suffered a terror attack (strangely, both on the same building).

When it comes to things like transportation and FAA though, I think new people are needed to bring real new thinking. How many administrations have said they'd fix ATC and modernize it?

Unfortunately, I fear ATC will take a backseat here again too - we'll get someone who fights for the unions at the expense of the entire industry and fights against open skies and to protect the US market instead of someone focused on making the US carriers more competitive globally.

Change can mean all sorts of things. What is needed is good change. Some of the people that have been picked for the new government seem really solid, others, like Woerth and Garvey, I am far more skeptical about. I had high hopes with Bush, a pilot, that we'd have an aviation buff bring real change, but nothing there.

Maybe we need to elect an A.netter next time around.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

I'm also not too thrilled with Duane Woerth as head of ALPA, but I would much rather have someone who is actually a pilot and has spent thousands of hours in the national airspace system... seeing its problems from the receiving end... be the leader of the FAA than someone who has never flown a plane before.

He may not be the best choice, but he'd be a lot better than a lot of people. Maybe this is the ticket we need to finally get the FAA to fix its problems with lack of modernization, fatigue, NTSB suggestions that are ignored, etc... and create a better system.

There is a huge amount of frustration with the FAA about safety and other issues from ALPA and Duane was on the forefront of that for 7 years. Sure, he's self-serving, but he's better than probably 80% of the other picks.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

"Change" means "not republicans".

At any rate, I'd think a former pilot and head of the ALPA might have a decent idea about the problems at the FAA. He might not have been the best union man - but he might make a decent administrator.

NS


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4218 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 12):
I'm also not too thrilled with Duane Woerth as head of ALPA, but I would much rather have someone who is actually a pilot and has spent thousands of hours in the national airspace system... seeing its problems from the receiving end... be the leader of the FAA than someone who has never flown a plane before.



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 13):
At any rate, I'd think a former pilot and head of the ALPA might have a decent idea about the problems at the FAA. He might not have been the best union man - but he might make a decent administrator.

Hope he has better luck than David Hinson had....  Wink


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4061 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
He was often referred to as "Duane Worthless".

Or Duane Woerthless.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 13):
"Change" means "not republicans".

"Change we refuse to define"

Can't wait to see this shit-show. Duane was a total John Kerry ass-kisser during the 2004 elections, I'm sure his agenda will fit in quite nicely with Obama's.

Lovely.

DeltaGuy


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Wow the Obama haters are back in force! I guess there isn't much to be happy about in the past, but let's dwell on things that haven't even happened yet! I don't see this as a really bad move, as a few have said before, he is a pilot who will go into the job unlike his predecessors who either had no aviation experience, or who were more on the corporate side.

User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 16):
Wow the Obama haters are back in force! I guess there isn't much to be happy about in the past, but let's dwell on things that haven't even happened yet! I don't see this as a really bad move, as a few have said before, he is a pilot who will go into the job unlike his predecessors who either had no aviation experience, or who were more on the corporate side

I think "haters" is a bit strong- those who have bought into the cult need to realize 50% of the voters just are not buying the "change".

There are far more talented and skilled people out there to head up FAA than the former head of ALPA. Recently Gingrich made the statement that the U.S. defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in less time than it took to add a new runway at ATL, we have problems in the airline industry and its related infrastructure- this choice like others is simply patronage payback. As for the corporate side they tend to me more skilled at reading the P&L statement than those on the cockpit side.

[Edited 2008-11-21 21:26:38]


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