Both of Central America's leading carriers, Copa and TACA, are poised to join Brazil's TAM as new members in the Star Alliance. ......TACA chief executive Roberto Kriete revealed today on the sidelines of the ALTA airline leaders forum in Cancun that the El Salvador-based carrier has submitted an application to join Star .....Copa chief executive Pedro Heilbron, meanwhile, said on the sidelines of the forum that the Panamanian carrier has decided to leave SkyTeam and is in exclusive talks with Star.
Heilbron says Copa has no "commercial choice" but to leave SkyTeam because its main partner, Continental, decided earlier this year to leave SkyTeam for Star. Continental sponsored Copa's entrance into SkyTeam. Continental is scheduled to formally leave SkyTeam for Star late next year but Heilbron says "we have some time" to decide what it should do.
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DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1424 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5562 times:
This is great news. I am a CO One Pass member and yearly make trips to Latin America for Los Angeles. This saves me from having to fly to Miami on AA. COPA has an extensive South American network with its hub in Panama.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5557 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1): Stars' coverage of Central America will be fantastic
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1): I guess that leaves AV without a chance of being in Star, and instead it could end up in Skyteam or even Oneworld.
Why do you say that?
AV has had continued talks with Star and its individual members like United.
At the end of the day, I do see AV in Star quite easily - the behind the scenes relations with Skyteam and DL in particular is not that hot. There is a reason why no one is in a hurry to resume the AV-DL codeshares. At the end of the day DL viewed as a competitor for AV, while United and Star would be a partner.
Quoting Juventus (Reply 2): Which of these 2 airlines is the largest airline in Central America??
For Cen Am its TACA with its multi country base. Also for links to the US, the TACA markets and routes are much denser then Copa's PTY traffic.
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NYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
It seems that people forget one tiny thing. Copa's FF program is OnePass. If CM leaves, they now have to develop their own FF program, negogiate ties with partner airlines, etc. etc. With Star wanting multiple airlines in each region in their alliance, why can't Copa and Taca both be members?
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Although Mexico is geographically considered in North America, it is differentiated from the US and Canadian airline market. I would then divide the Americas in 3 regions:
- Northern America: which would include the US and Canada only.
- Central America: which would include Mexico, all central American countries, the Carribbean countries, and the northern countries of South America such as Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and all the way to Peru.
- Southern America: which would include Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, and Paraguay.
Considering that Star likes to have more than one member in the same geographical area, a TACA and COPA membership is not hard to imagine. I agree that Avianca would be overkill, although it would give SA great access to a very important market in the region - Colombia. Also keep in mind, that as a geographic region, SkyTeam already has Aeromexico, and Oneworld has recently drafted Mexicana, therefore leaving Star Alliance with the only 2 remaining viable players - TA and CM. I would not be surprised, however, if we saw eventually Aerolinas Argentinas join to complement the TAM network.
So in my above theory of geographical division for the Americas, the following Airlines would eventually join the Star Alliance:
- Northern America (Canada and US): AC, UA, CO, US, B6, HA
- Central America (Mexico, Central America, Carribbean, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru): TA and CM... And even maybe AV.
So why are CM and TA so interested in cooperating w/UA thru Star if their schedules to UA hubs are lousy and allow almost no connections? If UA wants to best use CM and/or TA networks, UA would rather fly their own metal to those airlines hubs. See how CO arranged their relationship with CM.. One doesn't see CM flying into CO's hubs.
B.T.W. If CM joins Star, CM will take P5 with them
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21797 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5074 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21): So why are CM and TA so interested in cooperating w/UA thru Star if their schedules to UA hubs are lousy and allow almost no connections?
Some UA hubs are large cities on their own... maybe it's not really about onward connections. If it is, CM can tinker with their schedules a bit; EWR-PTY-EWR, for instance, is well-timed for connections in both directions.
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