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Both Copa And Taca To Join Star?  
User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6237 times:
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honestly , I did search and couldnt find anything

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-and-taca-poised-to-join-star.html


Copa and TACA poised to join Star

Both of Central America's leading carriers, Copa and TACA, are poised to join Brazil's TAM as new members in the Star Alliance. ......TACA chief executive Roberto Kriete revealed today on the sidelines of the ALTA airline leaders forum in Cancun that the El Salvador-based carrier has submitted an application to join Star .....Copa chief executive Pedro Heilbron, meanwhile, said on the sidelines of the forum that the Panamanian carrier has decided to leave SkyTeam and is in exclusive talks with Star.

Heilbron says Copa has no "commercial choice" but to leave SkyTeam because its main partner, Continental, decided earlier this year to leave SkyTeam for Star. Continental sponsored Copa's entrance into SkyTeam. Continental is scheduled to formally leave SkyTeam for Star late next year but Heilbron says "we have some time" to decide what it should do.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6205 times:

How very interesting.
Stars' coverage of Central America will be fantastic, and the 2 airlines will complement well TAM in South America too, particularly TACA with its growing hub in LIM.

I guess that leaves AV without a chance of being in Star, and instead it could end up in Skyteam or even Oneworld.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

Which of these 2 airlines is the largest airline in Central America??

User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 6080 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Thread starter):
the El Salvador-based carrier has submitted an application to join Star

So apparently Taca is just now applying for membership.

Copa has likely been cozying up to Star ever since Continental hinted it would dump SkyTeam.

I just have a hard time visualizing both of 'em on board, so my hallucination is that the door will close behind Copa.

All else being equal, there probably wouldn't be much deliberation within the Chief Executive Board at Star about which one of these two airlines would add more value to the alliance.



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

This is great news. I am a CO One Pass member and yearly make trips to Latin America for Los Angeles. This saves me from having to fly to Miami on AA. COPA has an extensive South American network with its hub in Panama.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 6020 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1):
Stars' coverage of Central America will be fantastic

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Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1):
I guess that leaves AV without a chance of being in Star, and instead it could end up in Skyteam or even Oneworld.

Why do you say that?

AV has had continued talks with Star and its individual members like United.

At the end of the day, I do see AV in Star quite easily - the behind the scenes relations with Skyteam and DL in particular is not that hot. There is a reason why no one is in a hurry to resume the AV-DL codeshares. At the end of the day DL viewed as a competitor for AV, while United and Star would be a partner.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
Which of these 2 airlines is the largest airline in Central America??

For Cen Am its TACA with its multi country base. Also for links to the US, the TACA markets and routes are much denser then Copa's PTY traffic.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

would this mean Copa leaving Skyteam associate status?


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5969 times:



Quoting Arcano (Reply 6):
would this mean Copa leaving Skyteam associate status?

Yes, this would indicate CM leaving its associate status with SkyTeam. However, I'm curious to know if CM would apply for full Star membership or considered a regional partner with its relation to CO.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5957 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 3):
I just have a hard time visualizing both of 'em on board, so my hallucination is that the door will close behind Copa.

I would say this is correct. FOR SURE Continental brought this subject up to LH as part of the negotiation to join.

I would say " TA, better go talk to DL and Co."



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5955 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Also for links to the US, the TACA markets and routes are much denser then Copa's PTY traffic.

True, though CM offers much better connections to South America from the U.S. than does TA.



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User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

I was expecting this due to CM's close ties to CO. However, I think it would be a bit odd but good for consumers to have both Taca and Copa in STAR.

On a side topic, lets say that both Taca and Copa join STAR, could we expect to see new routes to/from Central America? Ideally I would love to see

LH start FRA-PTY with their 747
UA start PTY-ORD with their 757
TAM start GRU-PTY with their A330


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5904 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 10):
UA start PTY-ORD with their 757

Why?

Copa can operate the route at lower cost then UA could.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 5898 times:
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If TA joins, i would hope that their schedules would be altered to allow for better connections with United for intra-US connections.


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User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 5840 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Copa can operate the route at lower cost then UA could.

true but I would love to see UA metal in PTY


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 5825 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1):
I guess that leaves AV without a chance of being in Star, and instead it could end up in Skyteam or even Oneworld.

Why do you say that?

AV has had continued talks with Star and its individual members like United

Well, if you say so. It just seems like there would be already good coverage of South and Central America with Taca, Copa and TAM, and having AV as well would be overkill.

But hey, perhaps Star can have it all!


User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

It seems that people forget one tiny thing. Copa's FF program is OnePass. If CM leaves, they now have to develop their own FF program, negogiate ties with partner airlines, etc. etc. With Star wanting multiple airlines in each region in their alliance, why can't Copa and Taca both be members?


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User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 5654 times:



Quoting NYC2theworld (Reply 15):
why can't Copa and Taca both be members?

Because they hate each other to bits and are the worst enemies when it comes to competition?



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 5647 times:

At what point does an alliance become too big? With CO, TA, and CM all in Star, I would think this would be a problem. You have every carrier in Central America in One Alliance.


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 5605 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 10):
UA start PTY-ORD with their 757

Nice, but would think UA rather have CM flying to its hubs.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Copa can operate the route at lower cost then UA could.

Yes, CM can, but if CM flies to ORD, the schedule would be very unatractive.. late night ORD arrival and departure, little or no UA immediate connections.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 5595 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Yes, CM can, but if CM flies to ORD, the schedule would be very unatractive.. late night ORD arrival and departure, little or no UA immediate connections.

That's no different from the TA service now...



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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 5574 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
You have every carrier in Central America in One Alliance

Although Mexico is geographically considered in North America, it is differentiated from the US and Canadian airline market. I would then divide the Americas in 3 regions:

- Northern America: which would include the US and Canada only.

- Central America: which would include Mexico, all central American countries, the Carribbean countries, and the northern countries of South America such as Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and all the way to Peru.

- Southern America: which would include Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, and Paraguay.

Considering that Star likes to have more than one member in the same geographical area, a TACA and COPA membership is not hard to imagine. I agree that Avianca would be overkill, although it would give SA great access to a very important market in the region - Colombia. Also keep in mind, that as a geographic region, SkyTeam already has Aeromexico, and Oneworld has recently drafted Mexicana, therefore leaving Star Alliance with the only 2 remaining viable players - TA and CM. I would not be surprised, however, if we saw eventually Aerolinas Argentinas join to complement the TAM network.

So in my above theory of geographical division for the Americas, the following Airlines would eventually join the Star Alliance:

- Northern America (Canada and US): AC, UA, CO, US, B6, HA

- Central America (Mexico, Central America, Carribbean, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru): TA and CM... And even maybe AV.

- Southern America: JJ and AR

Just my thoughts.

Cheers!


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
That's no different from the TA service now...

So why are CM and TA so interested in cooperating w/UA thru Star if their schedules to UA hubs are lousy and allow almost no connections? If UA wants to best use CM and/or TA networks, UA would rather fly their own metal to those airlines hubs. See how CO arranged their relationship with CM.. One doesn't see CM flying into CO's hubs.

B.T.W. If CM joins Star, CM will take P5 with them

[Edited 2008-11-21 19:38:06]


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 5537 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):
So why are CM and TA so interested in cooperating w/UA thru Star if their schedules to UA hubs are lousy and allow almost no connections?

Some UA hubs are large cities on their own... maybe it's not really about onward connections. If it is, CM can tinker with their schedules a bit; EWR-PTY-EWR, for instance, is well-timed for connections in both directions.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 5479 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 1):
AV without a chance of being in Star, and instead it could end up in Skyteam or even Oneworld.

AV may have a chance in SkyTeam if CM moves to Star Alliance.




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Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
Which of these 2 airlines is the largest airline in Central America??

CM is the largest airline in terms of the current amount of aircrafts.




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Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 10):
it would be a bit odd but good for consumers to have both Taca and Copa in STAR.

I cannot visualize both CM and TA in the same alliance.
I cannot visualize both CM and AV in the same alliance.




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Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 10):
UA start PTY-ORD with their 757

UA has been abandoned the Central American market as they recently dropped UA GUA-LAX and UA SAL-LAX.




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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 12):
If TA joins, i would hope that their schedules would be altered to allow for better connections with United for intra-US connections.

I would think slightly different: TA needs to modify their schedules if they want to join Star Alliance regarding the strong code-share agreement between TA-UA.

Regards.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 5453 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):

I would think slightly different: TA needs to modify their schedules if they want to join Star Alliance regarding the strong code-share agreement between TA-UA.

That what i meant to say.. sorry if I wasn't clear  Smile



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25 Hondah35 : It seems to me that CM's fleet count and size is not quite up to the task of funneling large amounts of traffic from North America to the PTY hub ope
26 Kiwiandrew : Ok , I'll bite ... what makes you think HA would join Star ? I have heard some rumours that they could eventually end up in Skyteam but I haven't hea
27 StarAlliance38 : YAY!!!! I agree with him. It seems SkyTeam has more links with HA than the other two. DL, CO, and NW at the moment. But, I do see where Kiwi is comin
28 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Tocumen is already planning a new stage for its development known as the "northern dock" that includes the opening of 12 new jet-bridges. The followi
29 Ota1 : Don't forget that they are also partnering VS... VS might not be a Star member but they are considerably closer to Star than to any other alliance. A
30 Bentley55 : That is so true... I wish CM would perhaps order some new jets or modify some of their existing planes to have more comfortable seats for the longest
31 Luisca : Its not cost effective to have a sub fleet of 737s different from the main configuration, right now CM can use the same 738 for PTY-EZE and then turn
32 Viscount724 : CM do have two 737 sub-fleets - 20 737-700s and 7 737-800s.
33 Luisca : Of course that is true, but imagine if we followed what Bentley55 said and had for example 3 738s configured for long haul at 140 pax and the rest in
34 Someone83 : Have they applied as ordinary membership of Star, or regional? (such as Adria, Blue1 and Croatian have)
35 Bentley55 : Yes ofcourse it would not be cost effective and would remove some flexibility, but it would benefit CM customers and perhaps could even bring in new
36 Atlanta : This is great news, this means that..... I hope AV will join Skyteam soon.
37 Atlanta : How do you know the relationship with DL is "not that hot"??? Please fill me in on how DL is viewed as a competitor to AV. Than again Skyteam might g
38 Fabi737 : Has anyone news of a confirmed date for Copa to start Valencia Venezuela to Panama as I was trying to book a flight to Miami through Panama, but it sa
39 Ota1 : I didn't say it can't... My statement wasn't based on that single reason but und the fact that the majority of HA's partners will be in (UA, CO, US)
40 Atlanta : Alright I get your point now, I thought you meant that for whatever reason that HA just couldn't join an alliance. My appologies
41 SJOtoLIR : You posted the information that was managed and discussed in this forum, some weeks ago. No idea about what is happening in that route. Regards.
42 CastropRauxel : Great news for STAR. this will finally give them the long awaited edge in Central and South America. My guess, regional. their activity is not big eno
43 NYC2theworld : Leave meaning they do not join *A with CO. CO is not going to allow CM stay with OnePass and join another alliance effectively giving all OnePass mem
44 CastropRauxel : True, but this entire thread is about CM joining STAR as well.
45 Viscount724 : KL is increasing AMS-PTY frequency from 4 to 5 weekly starting next week. Not many routes are seeing frequency increases these days so it's obviously
46 Jfk777 : Delta's BOG to ATL is absolutely zero threat to Avianca. Miami is the market AV needs to protect so joining Skyteam is a better move if Copa and Taca
47 SJOtoLIR : This could be the initial objective for SkyTeam group concerning to begin a new base at PTY. However, if CM leaves SkyTeam, the mentioned interline a
48 EddieDude : I could not have said it better myself. I tend to agree with this. I don't really see a partnership between AV and AA... however, a partnership with
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