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Why Show You How To Use Seatbelt?  
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 968 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9300 times:

I fly over 120K miles a year. I have yet seen a person who couldn't figure out how to use a seatbelt. Yet every airline does a demo on how to open and close.

Why not change the announcement to:
"Ladies and Gentlemen if you do not know how to operate a seatbelt, you shouldn't be onboard for safety reasons. Please deplane immediately."


Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22313 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

There's a very easy answer...

Quote:
Sec. 91.519 Passenger briefing.

(a) Before each takeoff the pilot in command of an airplane carrying passengers shall ensure that all passengers have been orally briefed on--
(1) Smoking. Each passenger shall be briefed on when, where, and under what conditions smoking is prohibited. This briefing shall include a statement, as appropriate, that the Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with lighted passenger information signs and no smoking placards, prohibit smoking in lavatories, and require
compliance with crewmember instructions with regard to these items;
(2) Use of safety belts and shoulder harnesses. Each passenger shall be briefed on when, where, and under what conditions it is necessary to have his or her safety belt and, if installed, his or her shoulder harness fastened about him or her. This briefing shall include a statement, as appropriate, that Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with the lighted passenger sign and/or crewmember instructions with regard to these items;





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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

I would think it is for people that have no common sense. If they don't show how to use it and something happens, imagine the lawsuits! I can see the argument now...

"They didn't show me how to use the seatbelts, if I knew how, I would've worn them."

It has to be for the people that also need the "don't use in the shower" tag that is on hair driers.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

You would be surprised how many times in 22 years of flying I have had to show people how to use a seatbelt. Mind you, it doesn't happen often, but enough to show that not everyone knows how.

That and it is an FAR.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2716 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9261 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
I have yet seen a person who couldn't figure out how to use a seatbelt.

I have. They are out there and that's why the FAA requires that it be briefed.



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9262 times:

Aircraft seatbelts are very different from other type seatbets... It´s logical for first time fliers to not to know for sure how the thing works.

Plus, is it really so terrible to spend ONE minute explaining how they work? Afer all, they are the most important and vital safety protection passengers get.

[Edited 2008-11-21 15:15:26]

User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 968 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9230 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
You would be surprised how many times in 22 years of flying I have had to show people how to use a seatbelt. Mind you, it doesn't happen often, but enough to show that not everyone knows how.



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 4):
I have. They are out there and that's why the FAA requires that it be briefed.

Seriously, why let these people fly? If they can't figure it out then are they smart enough to save themselves in any type of accident. Wouldn't they be a hinderence to normal people flying?

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 5):
Aircraft seatbelts are very different from other type seatbets... It´s logical for first time fliers to not to know for sure how the thing works.

Actually, I believe the cars in the 60's and 70's had the same type as used in pax seats. I kinda of rember my first two cars having that style.



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9192 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 6):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
You would be surprised how many times in 22 years of flying I have had to show people how to use a seatbelt. Mind you, it doesn't happen often, but enough to show that not everyone knows how.



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 4):
I have. They are out there and that's why the FAA requires that it be briefed.

Seriously, why let these people fly? If they can't figure it out then are they smart enough to save themselves in any type of accident. Wouldn't they be a hinderence to normal people flying?

Many people have never been on an aircaft before, and as you mentioned yourself, most people aren't old enough to remember when cars had seatbelts with the lift-up buckles and where you had to tighten them yourself.


User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9192 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 6):
Seriously, why let these people fly? If they can't figure it out then are they smart enough to save themselves in any type of accident. Wouldn't they be a hinderence to normal people flying?

I can't believe you believe this... . It doesn't matter how many times do you fly as a passenger, there are some people (cabin crew) who fly even more often than you. BTW, i suppose you fly Business/First class, so please turn back and take a look at Economy, you might find those pax. who do not know how to operate the seatbelt.
Just my 2 cents



Flying Together
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9186 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 6):
If they can't figure it out then are they smart enough to save themselves in any type of accident. Wouldn't they be a hinderence to normal people flying?

I worry more about some of the people that do know how to fasten their seat belt and show other signs of being a hinderance. The list is endless. I figure it this way, I sit by a door. Big grin



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineBriGuyinHou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9111 times:

In an emergency situation when seconds count and you've got to get out of the plane you don't want someone trying to feel around in a dark smoke filled cabin for a button on his seat belt like he would if he were in his car. The actions or inactions of the guy sitting next to you in an emergency can dictate whether you live or die.

That's why it irritates me when people don't pay attention when the safety briefing is given. You may very well be an Ultra-Gold-Platinum-Elite frequent flyer and can recite the demo verbatim and think that paying attention doesn't apply to you. But someone else on the flight may fly very infrequently and when surrounded by a bunch of people not paying attention may himself model that behavior. And in an emergency situation the U-G-P-E guy may find his life dependent on the infrequent flyer guy.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

For the same reason they put this on the bathroom stall walls in Narita International Airport!
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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8995 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
I fly over 120K miles a year. I have yet seen a person who couldn't figure out how to use a seatbelt.

Start digging through crash reports. There are lots of cases (in survivable crashes) where people died after the crash due to fire/smoke/injury because they couldn't get out of their seat. It's not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of panic. People are used to car seat belts, which are (now) almost universally push buttons. You can burn to death in an airplane pushing on your seatbelt, and it's happened.

It's very easy to criticize when you're not in the situation, but real panic (as distinct from just stupidity) has essentially nothing to do with intelligence...when it happens, it's scary as hell (for the person it happens to and those around) and very very difficult to reverser. The best defense against it is knowledge and training.

Tom.


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

I already sat next to a girl who didn't know how to fasten her seat belt. It was on a China Eastern Airlines flight from Guangzhou to Shanghai, and I guess she was a first-time flyer. I had to show her how to fasten and unfasten the seat belt.

User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

I think it is important to have the whole safety announcements on each and every flight as there is a good chance that at least one person on board is not aware of certain issues. Seat belts are a part of this.

What really gets me is this: In the US, the safety announcements are typically made once the aircraft is taxiing out. However, the crew must verify that every passenger's seat belt is properly fastened before the plan may even leave the gate or position. So by the time the announcements start, everybody must already have their seat belts closed and hence be familiar with their operation. It is for this reason and this reason only that I would consider explaining seat belt operations as part of the safety demo rather obsolete.


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 8793 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
I have yet seen a person who couldn't figure out how to use a seatbelt.

NWADC9 couldn't figure out the WN seatbelts being accustomed to the conventional type.



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 8757 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 12):
Start digging through crash reports. There are lots of cases (in survivable crashes) where people died after the crash due to fire/smoke/injury because they couldn't get out of their seat.

That is the reason why.

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 12):
People are used to car seat belts, which are (now) almost universally push buttons.

This may the reason why Qantas has gone to a similar push button type seat belt on the A380. For all but the frequent flyers, this type of seat belt in more intuitive to use.



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineSawb1980 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Doesn't Virgin America's safety video say it all?

"For the .0001% of you who have not used a seat belt, here is how to do it."  Big grin

Sorry, couldn't resist.

At 0:49 in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyygn8HFTCo


User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 8471 times:



Quoting 764 (Reply 14):
What really gets me is this: In the US, the safety announcements are typically made once the aircraft is taxiing out. However, the crew must verify that every passenger's seat belt is properly fastened before the plan may even leave the gate or position. So by the time the announcements start, everybody must already have their seat belts closed and hence be familiar with their operation. It is for this reason and this reason only that I would consider explaining seat belt operations as part of the safety demo rather obsolete.

DING, DING, DING!!!!! You are correct sir!

I have thought this for years - and if I didnt fear the wrath of the FA, when they said you must fasten your seatbelt before the plane can move - the smartass in me wants to say "but I havent been shown how yet"  duck   mischievous 


User currently offlineScrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

As a flight attendant myself.. there are numerous numerous times where passengers where the belt the wrong way around (so the release catch is twisted inwards towards their stomachs)..
In an emergency getting your belt off whilst its facing the wrong adds valuable seconds to hindering a rapid evacuation in an emergency


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

I once sat next to a girl on an OH flight from CVG to JFK who tried to get up out of her seat and apparently forgot her seatbelt was fastened...it snapped her right back into her seat and it was all I could do to contain my laughter. She also spilled her water on my pants...maybe she saw me laughing after all Big grin


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

It's for first time flyers.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 8363 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):

David Spade sums it up pretty well in Tommy Boy - "You know if you don't know how to use a seatbelt, press your flight attendant call button and Tommy Boy over here will come over and hit you in the face with a tack hammer because you are a retard!"


George Carlin also sums it up pretty well too in his infamous "Airline Announcements".  rotfl 


User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 8326 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 4):
Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
I have yet seen a person who couldn't figure out how to use a seatbelt.

I have. They are out there and that's why the FAA requires that it be briefed.

I've been seated next to people on more than one occasion that could not figure it out. While it may seems like a no brainer to those of us who fly frequently, first time or very rare fliers may have problems with it. I don't think it's necessarily a lack of intelligence or common sense, some people just don't "get it".


User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

I watched a programme on air crashes (forgot the name but produced by the BBC). One part of it said in crashes, people tend to think those seatbelts work like car seatbelts. Two questions:

1) Shouldn't aircraft seatbelts be changed so that it works more like a car seatbelt?

2) Why are plane seatbelts made of metal in the buckle part. If there is a fire, surely that part will get burning hot? What's wrong with having plastic ones which are likely to be lighter, and do not heat up as easily?


25 Knightsofmalta : I find your comments objectionable. Please define normal? Shall the transport of blind people and handicapped passenger for example be made illegal i
26 FRAspotter : In my opinion the only reason they tell these fairly obvious instructions at the beginning of a flight would probably be to cover their back in the ca
27 David L : The FAs are legally obliged to give the briefing so why does anyone find it so difficult to show some basic manners and at least look as though they'
28 KPHXFlyer : Almost all seatbelt buckles are made of metal (including cars)...What most cars have is plastic encasing the metal buckles so you don't burn your han
29 Airbuster : It is not so much the problem on how to close it but more on how to OPEN the seat belt....as said above, they will search for the car type button in a
30 OHLHD : Not everybody flys 120000 miles a year so it is a bit ignorant if you ask me. Why should those people stay on the ground just because you do not like
31 PGNCS : People have died sitting in their seats trying to unfasten their seat belts. Not everyone is on an airplane as much as you. That is exactly correct.
32 David L : A good point, of course - one I missed in my haste to rant.
33 Thomsonfly : As a flight attendant also, not only do i have to tell people how to use their seatbelt at least on one occasion per flight, it also serves as a remin
34 GT4EZY : Some great points given and I will just reaffirm what everyone else has said......... 1) Not everyone fly as often as some of us. 2) Atleast several t
35 Gr8circle : Maybe Mr. BillReid should avoid flying altogether, if such small things annoy him....I see him as being a major nuisance to other passengers....
36 Jonjonnl : This is one of the most obnoxious things I have ever read. A person who cannot quite figure how to use an aircraft's seatbelt isn't normal?
37 Levent : My wife was a flight attendant in the Gulf region and on several flights out of India to the Gulf, she saw people trying to tie a knot with their seat
38 474218 : That is just the reason I posted what I did. Some people have never seen a sit down toilet and that would stand on the seats, breaking them.
39 AirNZ : I would actually question more why they should let you fly as obviously you have no conception at all with the realities of life, so thus would certa
40 M404 : There are nearly always first time flyers O.B. with the (until recently) ever expanding growth of the airlines to witness that. For myself, the airlin
41 Post contains images Nicholaschee : This is a reason why....
42 BriGuyinHou : Not only that, but they raise their papers so high that people behind them can not see the safety demo. And to make matters worse, they are usually r
43 Chapavaeaa : For 99% of the flights I've been on domestic and international (and there have been hundreds of them) there is no problem. On the other hand, on parti
44 David L : I've seen the briefings so many times they bore me to tears but I don't feel the need to demonstrate what an expert I think I am. I still manage to g
45 ThirtyEcho : Blah de blah de blah... One might add to this windbag thread that calling them "seatbelts" implies that you should fasten them around your butt; this
46 Gr8Circle : They're called seat belts becease they are part of the seat (which includes the bacrest, armrests and the part that you actually sit on)....
47 ExecJet : I was recently fortunate enough to go on a flight safety awareness course and somebody asked why the safety demo includes how to open/close the seatbe
48 Luv2cattlecall : Looong ago I was on a flight to Hawai'i from somewhere in CA...one some ATA codeshare airline that served tropical blended ice drinks enroute...can't
49 BillReid : Normal would be one who can take care of themselves under usual circumstances. Would a blind person see the FA at the front of the cabin? So the demo
50 JOEYCAPPS : Two birds with one stone: "Why Show You How To Use Seatbelt" and "Chest/Inertia Seatbelts". This is a thread merger along the lines of DL/NW.
51 BillReid : And for a funny reference. I was sitting on a CO B764 to AMS from EWR a year ago. I watched the video safety demo and then hit my call button. One of
52 YULWinterSkies : In this case, you would find yourself with millions of confused flyers who don't know how to use it...
53 BriGuyinHou : CO does not operate the B763, Perhaps you meant the B762?
54 Tdscanuck : Because a person in an exit row seat is, potentially, obstructing the egress of several dozen other people. A person in a non-exit row is, at worst,
55 David L : What about those who think they know how to operate it but don't, such as the gentleman here: He looks quite pleased with his attempts so why would h
56 DocLightning : I would say that a seatbelt is easier to figure out how to use if you've never seen one than a toilet. And there are probably a number of people conn
57 Bennett123 : BillReid Actually the percentage that do not arrive by car is somewhat larger than that. however, in this country we normally travel by Coach, (has se
58 474218 : See my reply #38.
59 BillReid : Yes, and it was some time back so I really didn't 100% recall the actual fleet type, except I was on a 400 to Europe. The point was how long had they
60 BillReid : I am amazed with the number of anetters that have chimed into this one. I am glad so many of us really do pay attention. I actually review the card in
61 Silver1SWA : LOL here you go... I listen very carefully to the Safety Lecture, especially that part where they teach us how to use: the seatbelts. Imagine this, h
62 Bennett123 : BillReid I recall flying with Iberia on an MD80 once. My safety card was for an A320. I do not know if it was just my card or how long it had been inc
63 IAirAllie : It's pretty rare but occasionally as an FA I have a pax who doesn't know how to use the unique belts found only on airplanes. As a passenger on fligh
64 David L : OK, some are still not convinced. The operation of the seatbelt is something everyone needs to know in an emergency so why on earth would it be omitte
65 BillReid : David, It was a bit of a rhetorical question. When I asked why, I meant "why". But at the same time I expect the announcements to continue for about
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