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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

We have discussed and analized LAN's new destinations in North America. Where is Europe at all this?. Does BA have a plan to return to places like BOG or SCL? Please comment.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5723 times:
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Quoting Eastern023 (Thread starter):

LAN will acquire 5 more A-340s due to the delay of the 787s. LAN Perú S.A. and LAN Ecuador will deploy the A-340s on the MAD route; instead of using the current 763s. Also, LAN Chile might possibly split the SCL-MAD-FRA flight, and operate SCL-MAD and SCL-FRA as non-stop flights. LAN has also made some assertions that they will fly to CDG and LHR in the future.


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5681 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
LAN Chile might possibly split the SCL-MAD-FRA flight, and operate SCL-MAD and SCL-FRA as non-stop flights

... I think LIM-FRA operated by Lan Peru could work. Just take a look at KL's success in the AMS-LIM route; the place of origin of KL's passengers to LIM are not the Netherlands, KL connects traffic from all over Europe through AMS.

So I do think LA could be able to compete not only with KL but also with LH. I'm sure I'm not the only one who hates connecting in CCS with TA if flying from Germany to Peru (LH has an agreement with TA for the FRA-LIM route). Nothing against TA, I think it's a great airline... it's just that CCS sucks.

Perhaps LA could start with a LIM-MAD-FRA and see what happens...

Regards


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5665 times:
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Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 2):
I think LIM-FRA operated by Lan Peru could work. Just take a look at KL's success in the AMS-LIM route; the place of origin of KL's passengers to LIM are not the Netherlands, KL connects traffic from all over Europe through AMS.

LAN Perú S.A. will most likely not fly to FRA. LAN uses Barajas as its "European hub" since LAN codeshares with IBERIA. KLM does well with Cargo on their South American routes.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25059 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

The November issues of Airline Business has an interview with Enrique Cueto.

In the interview Senor Cueto states LA has no additional plans for Europe and is satisfied with existent MAD service and the tag flight to FRA while Iberia provides good feed to markets like London, Paris, and Milan via MAD.

Long term LA's will be to further develop Americas network including new IAD service and with particularly emphasis on building Lima as a "nerve center of the network".
Basically more Americas network density as Ecuador, Argentina, and Peru operations grow and a desire to see a Colombian subsidiary one day. He statest these markets are "really profitable".

The only new longhaul markets he mentioned (outside of IAD) is one day to go trans-Pacific to either Japan or China but that will have to wait till 2011-2013 as the 787 fleet grows.

[Edited 2008-11-21 20:07:36]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5609 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
The only new longhaul markets he mentioned (outside of IAD) is one day to go trans-Pacific to either Japan or China but that will have to wait till 2011-2013 as the 787 fleet grows.

Incorrect, once LAN receives the 787s they will fly to other European destinations. LAN's CEO, Enrique Cueto, has recently stated that LAN will expand in Europe. Sorry in Spanish:
"A medida que los restantes A340 lleguen a la compañía, LAN podrá estar en condiciones de abrir nuevos destinos que estaban previstos para iniciarse con el B787, especialmente en Europa como Londres Heathrow."


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25059 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5549 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
Incorrect,

 Confused How can you state something is incorrect? I'm telling you what is printed and what Mr Cueto said in a 4 page interview.

What he might have said someplace else is different, but in this interview from the November edition of Airline Business Mr. Cueto stated he was happy with Europe as it stood operatng to MAD and using Iberia for onward connections with specific mention to London, Paris and Milan.

If Mr Cueto says different things in different places that is possible, but your assertion that its "incorrect" is a ridiculous assertion, unless if you know the magazine has misprinted his comments from the interview.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5469 times:



Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 2):
I think LIM-FRA operated by Lan Peru could work. Just take a look at KL's success in the AMS-LIM route; the place of origin of KL's passengers to LIM are not the Netherlands, KL connects traffic from all over Europe through AMS.

So I do think LA could be able to compete not only with KL but also with LH. I'm sure I'm not the only one who hates connecting in CCS with TA if flying from Germany to Peru (LH has an agreement with TA for the FRA-LIM route).

The possibility of LH FRA-LIM might be feasible if TACA enters to Star Alliance later.
Both LH and TA have signed a memorandum of understanding last year and the mentioned route is a strong possibility if TA would consolidate their intentions in order to join Star Alliance in the near future.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5444 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
How can you state something is incorrect?

LAN Cargo will be flying to NRT and PVG via MIA/ANC.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Mr. Cueto stated he was happy with Europe as it stood operatng to MAD and using Iberia for onward connections with specific mention to London, Paris and Milan.

LAN would like to expand to other cities in Europe in the future. Passenger connections at MAD are plentiful; however, LAN wants to increase its cargo revenues as well.


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

I guess based in the postings BA has not intentions to return to places like SCL. They will wait until LA opens the route and slap their code-sare flight number on it.

Is Virgin Atalntic thinking about expansion work in Latin America?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4942 times:
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Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 10):
I guess based in the postings BA has not intentions to return to places like SCL. They will wait until LA opens the route and slap their code-sare flight number on it.

Correct, BA is welcome to fly to SCL at anytime, and when LA finally flies to LHR, BA will codeshare with LA. KL and LH both left SCL a while back, and now Swiss flies the route for LH. Swiss operates ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH daily. AF flies CDG-SCL-CDG daily, and it is one of their best performers.


User currently offlineEUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

I hope they don't change their current operation from MAD to FRA. I love that flight!! It is very well priced and offers excellent service.


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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3828 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
LAN Cargo will be flying to NRT and PVG via MIA/ANC.

Initially the only Asian route for LAN Cargo will be Shanghai Pudong.

And for this moment LAN has no intention to modified its route to FRA.

Saludos,


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 12):

Thanks for the clarification.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 12):
And for this moment LAN has no intention to modified its route to FRA.

That's great, as LA enjoys a high LF on the route.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3627 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):

Correct, BA is welcome to fly to SCL at anytime, and when LA finally flies to LHR, BA will codeshare with LA. KL and LH both left SCL a while back, and now Swiss flies the route for LH. Swiss operates ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH daily. AF flies CDG-SCL-CDG daily, and it is one of their best performers.

Correct. What the European alliances such as LH/LX and AF/KL is that they have divvied up the South American markets in a way such that one airline usually flies to one city and the other code-shares. For instance, it makes little sense for LH and KL to serve SCL when they can feed passengers on LX or AF through alliances. Same with why LH and AF serve EZE and CCS and not KL and LX. GRU is one exception to this just because of it being the largest city in South America.

I have also heard that LH currently lacks the equipment to operate this route. The obvious whole in the Chile-Europe market that has always left me confused is BA. Does LAN and IBERIA route passengers via the UK and Chile through Madrid, mostly?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
That's great, as LA enjoys a high LF on the route.

On a side note, how are the Oceania routes on LAN doing? Does the route from AKL to SYD or from Easter Island to PPT enjoy good load factors? If you notice, LAN likes to do the "tag-on" routes like SCL-JFK-YYZ or SCL-LIM-JFK, etc. I guess it works well for connections and with their current fleet inventory/allocation.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
Does the route from AKL to SYD or from Easter Island to PPT enjoy good load factors?

Yes, the SCL-AKL-SYD route is one of LAN's best performing routes. LAN flies SCL-IPC-PPT 2x weekly and SCL-IPC 5x weekly. Since they are the only carrier to operate dedicated flights to IPC, yields are strong on the route.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3305 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
LAN flies SCL-IPC-PPT 2x weekly and SCL-IPC 5x weekly. Since they are the only carrier to operate dedicated flights to IPC, yields are strong on the route.

I totally agreed with.
Fares to Easter Island usually start at $800+ from Santiago de Chile.
The attached picture captures the 763 on the tarmac of IPC and dated on September 26th.

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CC-CZW


Regards.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3230 times:
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With Air France's nonstop CDG -Santiago service by 777's, I am surprised doesn't fly to CDG with its own A340's.

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
On a side note, how are the Oceania routes on LAN doing? Does the route from AKL to SYD or from Easter Island to PPT enjoy good load factors?

The rout to AKL and SYD is one ot the most profitable route for LAN. Also the route to IPC and PPT has excelent LF too.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
With Air France's nonstop CDG -Santiago service by 777's, I am surprised doesn't fly to CDG with its own A340's.

LAN? Currently LAN hasn't more aircrafts to starts new longhaul destinations specially in Europe. Today and until June 2009 LAN will have only 4 A340 in service because the retrofit program. Maybe in the near future when LAN add more planes the company will increase its network to Europe.

Saludos,


User currently offlineAvion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2848 times:



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
I have also heard that LH currently lacks the equipment to operate this route. The obvious whole in the Chile-Europe market that has always left me confused is BA. Does LAN and IBERIA route passengers via the UK and Chile through Madrid, mostly?

Essentially yes. I've been that way on three occasions. Duration 18-19 hours. Gone are the days of departing LON, connecting in AMS (great route.. many stops!) or even longer ago via CCS. I was thinking back to the ways my relatives have done the route.. JFK and MIA also were connecting points in the past.

In my opinion the best current route to SCL though is on AF via CDG, or alternatively with TAM via GRU. Both provide for shorter durations than via MAD, on quality airlines.


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2461 times:

With The exit of Air Comet and the rise on demand out of south american countries, do we see any legacy european airlines coming back to the region ie....British Airways and Lufthansa.


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User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2435 times:



Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 20):
With The exit of Air Comet and the rise on demand out of south american countries, do we see any legacy european airlines coming back to the region ie....British Airways and Lufthansa.

When will Air Comet exit South America? I still see their 332s and 343s almost daily in UIO and LIM. By the way where else do they fly to in South America?



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

I must say , i never understood why they have stopped flights to Paris.

In the past they flew to Orly with 707s and latter with DC10s. , and at that time Chile was not a strong country.Now that this country has experienced a spectacular economic boom , LA doesn't fly to Paris anymore ! Very strange.......

If i am not mistaken , they never flew to London.The sole stations in Europe were FRA , MAD and ORY.

Hope they will resume flights to CDG before receiving 787s.


User currently offlineEUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

WOW!! I mean... WOW!

I arrived yesterday to Santiago from Madrid on the LAN 705 flight and I must say how impressed I was with their new business class service. Flat beds, amazing IFE, fantastic catering, good selection of wines and, most of all, a friendly and professional attitude on behalf of the crew. Congratulations!!! Very impressive.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2166 times:



Quoting EUROBUS (Reply 23):
WOW!! I mean... WOW!

I arrived yesterday to Santiago from Madrid on the LAN 705 flight and I must say how impressed I was with their new business class service. Flat beds, amazing IFE, fantastic catering, good selection of wines and, most of all, a friendly and professional attitude on behalf of the crew. Congratulations!!! Very impressive.

Well, you were lucky to fly in CC-CQC, the first A340 to be fitted with their new interiors. It was its first flight after it spent over a month in DUB for the retrofit.

Saludos,



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25 Jigarciar : AirComet has 3 weekly flights MAD-BOG-MAD on A343 with good loads, that, starting on this Monday, will be increased to 4 weekly. They have an approve
26 Planemanofnz : What does the A340-300 retrofit programme include exactly? Are the current First and Business Class seats being replaced with a single class of Premi
27 EZEIZA : EZE daily ... used to be with the A340 but lately I've seen their new A332's. What they have done is stopped domestic operations in Chile I believe a
28 LH506 : so that makes it EZE, UIO, LIM, BOG, MDE. Does anybody have a complete destination list?
29 Post contains links Ogre727 : Try this: http://www.aircomet.com/vuelos.php
30 HUYfan : BA would like to return to the likes of Bogota and Caracas when the 787s arrive. Regards Mike
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