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CO Ramp/ATO Agents To Get Raises  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Nice to see that, even during tough economic times, and with the industry as a whole reeling, that CO put aside a little money for it's front-line ground employees and the ramp.

The raise will not be large, but I certainly won't complain, that's for sure.

Kudo's to Larry and management for following through with their promise to restore as much as possible.

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User currently offlineCoewraatysaz From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

They should be coming out within the coming weeks what will be given back to management-level employees. You forgot to mention too they are coming back with a 401k match as well!


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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3370 times:
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The whole airline industry seems to be perpetually broke, but CO does make a very good effort to take care of its people wherever it can.


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Its not a raise, its getting some of the money we gave up back.


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User currently offlineAeroMojo From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3078 times:



Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3):
Its not a raise, its getting some of the money we gave up back.

This is true but its been so long since most of us has seen any improvement on our salaries ( especially for the Top Out's and High Timer's! ) that Its a really good feeling that CO still thinks about their Ground Support Group  Smile And I definitely agree with AcidRadio on this. Although were only getting back a little more of what was taken, with our industry the way it is right now, CO didn't have to give it!! A happy employee is a productive one and this shows CO remembers that, IMO!!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
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Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3):

as the pilots were saying, you're getting the "loan" back



okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3058 times:
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Quoting Coewraatysaz (Reply 1):
They should be coming out within the coming weeks what will be given back to management-level employees

this is good..........its been how many years since mgmt has had raises??? 6, 7???



okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Its definitely a good thing, especially with the economy right now.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
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Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3):
Its not a raise, its getting some of the money we gave up back.

Though by giving up you did manage to keep your job! Not a bad trade off considering.



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User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
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Being a CO ramper with that kind of pay must be a very good job, considering the fact they get all that money just to fling bags. Wonder if there is any special training you need to be a ramper, I know pilots, dispatchers & mechanics are airplane certified.

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2685 times:



Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 9):
Being a CO ramper with that kind of pay

What kind? What're the numbers?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2658 times:



Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3):
Its not a raise, its getting some of the money we gave up back.

It's a raise over what I get now. You can call it what you want. I'll take it.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5048 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting CLE757 (Reply 3):
Its not a raise, its getting some of the money we gave up back.

Hey, at least your getting back what you gave up!!!!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
It's a raise over what I get now. You can call it what you want. I'll take it.

Amen to that! Especially to still have a job in the industry, and a little extra change to the paycheck will help. I am very happy to hear that CO gave it to you all. You guys and gals are well deserving of it.



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User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2592 times:



Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 9):
Being a CO ramper with that kind of pay must be a very good job, considering the fact they get all that money just to fling bags. Wonder if there is any special training you need to be a ramper, I know pilots, dispatchers & mechanics are airplane certified.

You've obviously never worked on the ramp - a few may only sling bags but remember that comment the next time you're sitting in your aircraft and its -10 outside and you need to be de-iced by the guys slinging bags before you can leave, then pushed back by the same guys.


User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1163 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

It's one of the most dangerous jobs for getting hurt there is, the accident rate for ramp workers i think is the highest for any job. Not that many people die but a ton get hurt. Pay is decent for the topped out guys and depending where you work it can be very hard cold stations hot stations

User currently offlineCB97 From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2497 times:



Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 9):
Being a CO ramper with that kind of pay must be a very good job, considering the fact they get all that money just to fling bags. Wonder if there is any special training you need to be a ramper, I know pilots, dispatchers & mechanics are airplane certified.

I don't work for CO, but as a ramper I regularly work on 12 types of aircraft. For each aircraft I need to know how to work the doors, cargo doors, steering by-pass system, ground power hook up, water servicing, lav servicing, air conditioning hook up, and internal cargo handling. I also need a radio operators certificate for towing aircraft, a special drivers permit for driving on airport property, a second permit for driving on taxiways and runways and I need to know how to prepare each aircraft for a tow, including landing gear pins and additional steering by-pass procedures on some types. I also need to know how to operate all the ground equipment such as belts, loaders, push tractors, ground powers, bridges, air stairs, heaters, water trucks, lav trucks etc. I'm required to have dangerous goods training for handling hazardous cargo and have training on handling live cargo as well. In the winter I de-ice the aircraft, and need to know where and where not to spray on each aircraft as well as tracking the amounts and types of fluid used. To top it all off I also groom and security check the aircraft in addition to sorting and packing the bags...

When I was hired I had a full month of training, which was just enough to make sure I didn't get killed or break anything by doing something stupid. To really get comfortable doing the job took about 2 years although even now there are a few things I don't do very often and have to really think about before I do them. I do get annual training on things like de-icing and hazardous goods handling, as well as any time we work a new aircraft type or use a new piece of equipment. We are also continually advised on procedure changes. The learning never really ends....


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

can any co rampers/cs folks give us some info on starting pay and top out wages with the new rates at co? thanks


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User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2478 times:



Quoting CB97 (Reply 15):
don't work for CO, but as a ramper I regularly work on 12 types of aircraft. For each aircraft I need to know how to work the doors, cargo doors, steering by-pass system, ground power hook up, water servicing, lav servicing, air conditioning hook up, and internal cargo handling. I also need a radio operators certificate for towing aircraft, a special drivers permit for driving on airport property, a second permit for driving on taxiways and runways and I need to know how to prepare each aircraft for a tow, including landing gear pins and additional steering by-pass procedures on some types. I also need to know how to operate all the ground equipment such as belts, loaders, push tractors, ground powers, bridges, air stairs, heaters, water trucks, lav trucks etc. I'm required to have dangerous goods training for handling hazardous cargo and have training on handling live cargo as well. In the winter I de-ice the aircraft, and need to know where and where not to spray on each aircraft as well as tracking the amounts and types of fluid used. To top it all off I also groom and security check the aircraft in addition to sorting and packing the bags...

When I was hired I had a full month of training, which was just enough to make sure I didn't get killed or break anything by doing something stupid. To really get comfortable doing the job took about 2 years although even now there are a few things I don't do very often and have to really think about before I do them. I do get annual training on things like de-icing and hazardous goods handling, as well as any time we work a new aircraft type or use a new piece of equipment. We are also continually advised on procedure changes. The learning never really ends....

You are correct. The learning never ends. I as a Technician/Mechanic had to know all of the above that you mentioned and add to that I was a run/taxi examiner on the DC-9, 757, A319/320. And we were expected to know the systems and operation of all of our aircraft in our fleet and how to fix them. As a ramper you are given some training as a mechanic you are given pretty much no training it is a learn as you go except for some classroom training to satisfy the feds. One thing is for sure you can get hurt real easy out on the ramp if you don't know what you are doing.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

I know CO starts at 9 dollars something


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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2758 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

It good to see an airline management keep its word to its employees and start giving back some of the concessions, especially in these economic conditions. Well done Continental!!!


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User currently offlineBartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2430 times:



Quoting CB97 (Reply 15):
The learning never really ends...

Absolutly Right. I'm actually going through our Aircraft Servicing Manual right now. Today somone mentioned something about winter ops (and were not exactly a winter station, maybe once or twice) and I didn't know it. There is constantly training going on, from the class room, to a Sr guy taking you aside and showing you something. We just got a new glycol dispensing machine, something new to learn.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2422 times:

And so the CO/UA wage race to set for the future begins......grin

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5048 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2417 times:



Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 20):
e just got a new glycol dispensing machine, something new to learn.

Be very cautious after applying that crap. It gets slippery on the tarmac, almost worse than ice. I can proudly say I have ended up on my back while wing walking a flight out once. I know passengers were laughing, and I jumped up, just to fall again. I could not help but notice those faces pressed up against the windows,  crowded  with tons of fingers pointing at me. I know my face turned red,  banghead  but it was dark enough not to see my embarrassed look. Oh man, I still chuckle at that every now and then  hyper  . My coworkers had a hay day with me after finally getting that bird pushed out.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2414 times:

Falling over without even 1 drink  Smile

User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2410 times:



Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 9):
Being a CO ramper with that kind of pay must be a very good job, considering the fact they get all that money just to fling bags.

If only it were that easy.

Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 20):
Today somone mentioned something about winter ops

We have a whole manual on winter ops plus initial/annual recurrent training on that...



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25 Thetuna : Lifting Bags for Larry!
26 Bennett123 : I know that you have lots of bags to move and they are all heavy. But please treat with care, they all belong to someone just like you.
27 Contrails15 : Its nice to see ramp getting some love. God knows we get sh@t on and get treated like were on the bottom of the food chain. WTG CO ramp even if your j
28 CLE757 : Its good to get something back, but remember we still aren't where we used to be. And we gave up the most during the concessions.[Edited 2008-11-25 08
29 EXCOASA1982 : 9.98
30 NWAESC : What does the ramp top out at now? How long does it take to get there?
31 AeroMojo : Top out takes 10 yrs. The current top level pay is just over $20/hr.
32 NWAESC : Thanks for the info!
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