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Australian Aviation Thread 21  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19824 times:

It's time to celebrate the Australian Aviation Threads 21st! Unfortunately, VAustralia isn't able to take advantage of this auspicious occasion to have a piss-up upon arrival at LAX, but I'm sure the schoolies on the Gold Coast are drinking right now on it's behalf.

I'd recap what went on in our last thread but am utterly sleep deprived from my newborn son and don't wish to overstimulate myself by reading it. That shouldn't stop you, however, so let's get this party started!


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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19743 times:

Glad to see another new destination, just wish we could get some more here in Melbourne, although perhaps Perth is in more need.

Qantas commences non-stop services from Sydney to Buenos Aires Latest News
Sydney, 24 November 2008
Qantas today became the first airline to operate non-stop services between Australia and South America.

The inaugural Sydney to Buenos Aires flight left Sydney this morning and is scheduled to land in Buenos Aires at 11.00am local time.

Qantas Group General Manager Sales and Distribution, Mr Rob Gurney, said response to the new Buenos Aires services had been very positive.

"Argentina is a popular destination for Australian travellers and we are seeing continued passenger growth between Australia and South America," he said.

"These new services will enable us to grow business and leisure travel to and from Argentina and strengthen tourism and trade links.

"They will also offer passengers connections to other destinations in South America, including Brazil."

Qantas will operate three return services per week on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays, using three-class B747-400 aircraft.

The airline previously offered one-stop services to Buenos Aires, via Auckland, between 1998 and 2002.

"We have maintained services to South America via our successful codeshare with oneworld™ partner LAN since then and will continue to offer six services per week from Sydney via Auckland to Santiago, Chile," Mr Gurney said.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 898 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19602 times:



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
I'd recap what went on in our last thread but am utterly sleep deprived from my newborn son and don't wish to

Congrats mate, is it your first. If not you are a tiger for punishment (relating to sleep deprivation that is). Kids are a joy, have a long and happy one.



remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19591 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 1):

good to see it got off the ground.... what are the loads like over christmas?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19587 times:
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I've been told that FJs OOL-NAN route bookings isn't doing well. Next month FJ will operate 9x B738 services offering a total of 1458 seats. Only problem is 900 of those seats havn't been sold, so only 558 seats have been sold. This works out to 62 pax per flight on a 162 seat B738. Rumor is FJ is going to replace the B738 with B737-700 on all 9 flights.

User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 898 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19578 times:

DJMEL, thank you for the info re my request on previous thread. After your reply I checked out QF timetable Launceston Melbourne and do have in fact QF 2286 (dash8-300) 1700- 1820 which fits with DJ 8286. Thanks again.

On another note, just looked out the sitting room window after hearing the unmistakeable throb of 4 engines on an EK340 on its approach from the south into melbourne (summer time 2020hrs), twilight and it makes a beutiful sight turning right and setting up for approach, last vestiges of sun glinting on the fuselage, yummy.You know the world is still OK when you see sights like that. (now, now, be nice!!). Too high for this amateur photographer, still 20 mins to touchdown.



remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19531 times:

Perth Airport has released the draft of the new Terminal WA. The PDF is up on the website.

User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19509 times:



Quoting TN486 (Reply 2):
Congrats mate, is it your first. If not you are a tiger for punishment (relating to sleep deprivation that is). Kids are a joy, have a long and happy one.

Thank you! Yes, he's my first. I'm hoping to infect him with the travel bug as soon as possible and was doing some research on flying with infants. Interestingly, with both QF and JQ infants fly free domestically. In Qantas there is a charge for international flights, but with JQ infants fly free trans-tasman and to Japan, though not elsewhere. Trans-tasman I can understand - it's virtually domestic anyway - but why the Japanese exception? (Not that I'm complaining seeing as its my favourite destination).



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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19368 times:

Things not too healthy at QF with a wide range of flights looking to be chopped or cut. Clearly announcements of whats being cut is yet to be announced.

My money would be a cut to LAX and LHR flights along with MEL to PVG for starters.



Qantas slashes profit forecast, cuts capacity

Qantas has just announced capacity cuts equivalent to grounding ten aircraft, with outgoing ceo Geoff Dixon saying the global financial crisis was continuing to affect passenger demand.

"We are in unpredictable times and the international business market, in particular, has slowed," he said.

The capacity cuts are in addition to reductions announced earlier this year, and will include halting all planned domestic market growth for both Qantas and Jetstar.

QF will also not take up the planned lease of two A330-200 aircraft and will change the flying patterns of existing aircraft "to free up the equivalent of six B747-400s, three B767-300s and one A320-200 aircraft between now and mid-2010".

Dixon said the carrier's actual flying in the next six months will be four percent below the equivalent period in 2008, and said that although no further job cuts were expected the carrier would "be seeking further efficiencies by implementing an accelerated leave program."

He said the slower demand meant Qantas was now expecting a pre-tax profit for 2008-09 of around $500 million.

Source: Travel Daily 25th November


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5520 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19358 times:

Brisbane Airport profit up 23 per cent

BRISBANE Airport Corporation's net profit rose by 23 per cent to $91.6 million in 2007-08.

But officials have warned a major runway and domestic terminal expansion may be affected by the credit crunch.

The airport, which handled a record 18.5 million passengers in 2007-08, has substantially completed a $350 million international terminal expansion.

It is now looking at expanding the domestic terminal precinct, due to be completed progressively by 2012, and building a new parallel runway, expected to open in 2018.

Chief financial officer Tim Rothwell said the corporation was strongly positioned at June 30 with $320 million of unused facilities and $93 million in cash, but funding of the major projects was a challenge and neither would proceed beyond the design stage until commercial terms were agreed and funding was in place.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,28124,24687135-23349,00.html


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19339 times:



Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 8):
My money would be a cut to LAX and LHR flights along with MEL to PVG for starters

As the 380's coem online I can imagine them reducing frequencies on LHR and LAX flights.

We may also see AKL-LAX go daily 332? Will be interesting to see.

Makes you wonder why they bothered fixing OJK when they are looking to get rid of 744's!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19299 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 10):
We may also see AKL-LAX go daily 332? Will be interesting to see.

I think QF might use the A332 on AKL-LAX and BNE-LAX, but not SYD-LAX. The A332 won't make MEL-LAX.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19295 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Quoting ANstar (Reply 10):
We may also see AKL-LAX go daily 332? Will be interesting to see.

I think QF might use the A332 on AKL-LAX and BNE-LAX,

don't think a 332 could do BNE/LAX (with any pax) & esp not LAX/BNE.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19290 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 12):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Quoting ANstar (Reply 10):
We may also see AKL-LAX go daily 332? Will be interesting to see.

I think QF might use the A332 on AKL-LAX and BNE-LAX,

don't think a 332 could do BNE/LAX (with any pax) & esp not LAX/BNE.

The A332s range is 12500kms and BNE-LAX is 11525kms. The A332 could even do SYD-LAX according to its range


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19240 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
The A332s range is 12500kms and BNE-LAX is 11525kms. The A332 could even do SYD-LAX according to its range

Yes but that is still air range.

QF wont be flying it east coast AU to mainland USA.


User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19206 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 12):
don't think a 332 could do BNE/LAX (with any pax) & esp not LAX/BNE.



Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
The A332s range is 12500kms and BNE-LAX is 11525kms. The A332 could even do SYD-LAX according to its range

I agree REALDEAL, theoretically yes the A332 could fly those legs but not profitably. A 77E/77W on the other hand....... but thats a whole other story, and a whole lot of ground that's been covered on here this year!



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19163 times:



Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 8):
My money would be a cut to LAX and LHR flights along with MEL to PVG for starters.

The other thing to contemplate with the 744's retirement is that QF are receiving A380's through next year. So its more a case of replacing 744's to LHR with A380's rather than actually cutting routes. Certainly the 3rd daily LAX service from SYD that QF flies occassionally will drop off. I'd also not be surprised to see a couple of frequency reductions to places like PVG and maybe Mumbai along with some trans tasman capacity cuts. But overall they are not predicting a significant decline in fleet capacity due to the A380's coming along so I don't think there will be much room for cuts.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19048 times:

Does anyone know why QF113 SYD-AKL has been delayed by 2 hrs this afternoon?


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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19036 times:

Are they actually retiring those 6 744s and 3 763s or just reducing flights and utilization? Currently the 744 fleet is maxed out same with the 763 I guess.

I doubt they will cut LHR flights, maybe a few LAX services as you say the third SYD-LAX will go anyway I think, maybe BNE-LAX non stop reduced and routed via AKL a few days and MEL-AKL-LAX reduced as more A380s on non stop MEL-LAX come online with AKL-LAX remaining daily with 4 weekly MEL-AKL-LAX and 3 weekly BNE-AKL-LAX with a mix of 744s and 332s or maybe 332s daily?


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19003 times:

Could we see PER-NRT and PER-HKG gone soon?

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18980 times:

UK Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling, who had been considering replacing the Air Passenger Duty with a direct "per-plane" fee levied on airlines, yesterday made the surprise announcement that the APD will remain under a new scheme that will impose ascending fees on passengers based on the distance travelled to/from UK airports.

Darling explained to parliament that he has developed "a four-band [APD] system ensuring those that travel further and have a larger environmental impact meet that cost. . .This will be effective in reducing emissions from aviation."

Band A, covering EU flights, will rise from the current £10 ($14.90) each way to £11 on Nov. 1, 2009, and to £12 in November 2010. Band B, for flights up to 4,000 mi. (covering, for example, US flights), will increase from £40 one-way to £45, then to £60. Band C, covering longer distances including Caribbean flights, will lift from £40 one-way to £50, then £75. Band D, covering the longest flights such as those to Asia, will increase from £40 one-way to £60, then £85. APDs on premium passengers will be double those rates.


85 pounds is going to be a huge tax on travel to/from Australia/NZ. This tax is a punishment for flying. So the incentive for Qantas will be to move all their flights to Europe to Frankfurt or Paris, and all passengers will catch A320s to finish their flight to the UK. You will need three A320s to feed all the passengers onto one A380 - surely three departures/arrivals at LHR would be less environment friendly than one?


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18940 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 20):
85 pounds is going to be a huge tax on travel to/from Australia/NZ. This tax is a punishment for flying. So the incentive for Qantas will be to move all their flights to Europe to Frankfurt or Paris, and all passengers will catch A320s to finish their flight to the UK

There are a couple of other ways it could go.

It makes DXB look good as a hub, as it's in band B and can be done non stop from Oz, which CDG or FRA can't.

The Oz government could decide to fight it. In which case it could impose a reciprocal tax on BA and give the proceeds to QF to compensate them. I don't think this would even require legislation as I think this sort of thing was covered under the 1980s "claw back" laws, but even if it does I don't see it as a problem.

Aviation still works on BI-LATERAL agreements, ironically enough mainly at the insistence of the UK, pollies would do well to remember that.

Gemuser



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18908 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 16):
I'd also not be surprised to see a couple of frequency reductions to places like PVG and maybe Mumbai along with some trans tasman capacity cuts.

I don't know if it's been announced, but MEL-PVG is definitely gone... the 2pw will be dropped.

I would say gone by March, after peak season for China travel.

BOM could well go, given that only 45% of traffic currently travels direct on QF metal, the remaining traffic connecting on 9W over SIN.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18897 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 22):
BOM could well go, given that only 45% of traffic currently travels direct on QF metal, the remaining traffic connecting on 9W over SIN.

Perhaps - but the stats from the orther thread for AUG & JUL show reasonable load factors between 70-90% for July + August months.

China I do agree with - despite the olympics, they really only manged high 60%'s for July & August.


Perhaps also a reduction in HKG flying?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18890 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 18):
Are they actually retiring those 6 744s and 3 763s or just reducing flights and utilization?

From the sounds of it they are reducing utilisation rather than retiring. Certainly it would be good for QF to have some spare capacity sitting around the place.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 19):
Could we see PER-NRT and PER-HKG gone soon?

PER-NRT will stay. PER-HKG could be marginal depending on traffic although PER would probably still be a strong performer given the economy hasn't really put a lid on mining activity just yet apart from some Iron Ore cuts.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 20):
This will be effective in reducing emissions from aviation."

This will be effective in raising revenue to help the British Government funds its record deficits. It'll do nothing for aviation.


Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 22):
BOM could well go, given that only 45% of traffic currently travels direct on QF metal, the remaining traffic connecting on 9W over SIN.

QF should be daily to BOM if they were serious about capturing traffic. 3 per week was never going to cut it long term.


25 Jetfuel : QF's 747-300, inlight of the huge downturn, are now almost worthless on the used market.
26 ANstar : And before the downturn they were probably worthless becuase of the cost of fuel and their age!
27 Post contains links Boof : This morning Air Asia X launched flights ex KL to London Stansted x 5 weekly. Sale fares from $260 one way until 30/11/08 for travel 11/03/09 through
28 Post contains links Sydscott : http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...story/0,28124,24707419-643,00.html More info on the Qantas mainline cuts. In summary - - No planes to leave the
29 Alangirvan : Please note that the first part of my last post was a quote from the British Government announcement. Important thing to notice - it is a tax on passe
30 The Coachman : What if QF changed the flight numbers for instance if SYD-BKK became QF 100 and BKK-LHR became QF 1? How would tax be calculated on this? Would taxes
31 Gemuser : I relisied that, the point is still its a uni-lateral decision in a bi-lateral environment. Other governments can take retaliatory actions, whether t
32 ANstar : HNL going to an ALL JQ operation would make sense. I reckon MEL-PVG will go, but I reckon BOM will stay. Or perhaps the 333 MEL-HKG leg could be cut
33 Sydscott : Friends and I were going to spend a day on London on either side of our trip to Croatia next year but this additional tax makes Frankfurt, Rome or Du
34 REALDEAL : NZ does it every thu, now an Australian tour operator is auctioning seats to USA,Canada & Japan on ebay.com.au Don't have the links, but search for Qa
35 Alangirvan : Australia and Asia are in the same band. This is why Emirates and Etihad passengers would pay a lower cost. Qantas would need to make Dubai their sto
36 Alangirvan : Air Asia X have always said that they are not selling through travel from Australia to UK. You would have to book separate sectors Aus - KUL, then KUL
37 Post contains links Boof : Yes but they are Low Cost! I agree with: Anyway on a brighter note it seems like the whispers were correct: VIRGIN BLUE PREMIUM ECONOMY GETS AN UPGRA
38 ANstar : LoL...typical PR! I think the product should do well, especially as it is cheaper than QF's full economy price. So for less than the full flex Y QF t
39 QF175 : It looks like Garuda Indonesia won't be commencing services to Brisbane come 14DEC (all flights have been zeroed out until APR09). Supposedly forward
40 REALDEAL : or price sensitive pax will simple get to AMS or CDG or somewhere else in Europe to fly to OZ, so UK govt won't get any revenue out of them. They are
41 ANstar : Good news for Pac Blue I would imagine!
42 Post contains links SpinalTap : Qantas - Changes to bookings to/from Thailand The Thai government has advised us that on 24 November 2008, the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD)
43 Ben175 : From Perth Airport website:
44 Boof : Dodgy? I wouldn't call it dodgy. It's no different than booking HBA to MCY on TT or JQ. Book the HBA-MEL leg first then book the MEL-MCY leg afterwar
45 REALDEAL : for such a large carrier, they have toimprove their website !!!
46 Bjwonline : Has this closure affected the BA daily LHR-BKK-SYD?
47 TruemanQLD : Air Asia X is hardly a big carrier
48 QF744 : BA is routing all SYD-LHR and LHR-SYD via SIN until further notice... Service has been canned! Here's the official press release: 27TH November, 2008
49 Bjwonline : Is anyone really going to miss GA on this route? I don't think too many people would have chosen GA over JQ or DJ, "full service" or not. Many Austra
50 Corey07850 : Hey if anyone is interested, our Global XRS demonstrator will be doing some low level photoshots over the Harbor the next couple days, based at YSSY..
51 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Skyairworld operating as Timor Air... Daily darwin-dili-bali, and 2pw Darwin-Cloncurry-Brisbane with E190... http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarti
52 Post contains links DJ748 : We've got another QF incident - happened this morning (Sunday), and made an emergency landing in BNE on QF52 from SIN. It was an A330-300. Source is b
53 REALDEAL : Air Asia group is & all use the 1 website for bookings !!!
54 TruemanQLD : Oh dear, I saw it on the news... not good. I used to think QF was just unlucky but they need to do something about this.
55 QANTAS077 : Emirates will be sending the 77LR into Perth Effective 01FEB EK will ops B777-200LR a/c on the EK 420/421 flights (afternoon arrival/evening departure
56 REALDEAL : just red in DEC edition of Aust Aviation that our airline is getting another 733 !!! Didn't think they had enough work for their current 733 let alone
57 777ER : Ozjet PMR services?
58 Kiwiandrew : I was under the impression that the tax was based on the destination of the ticket rather than the first transit point ? ie , the Dubai band would on
59 Gemuser : Your most likely right, but it would not be any great problem for EK to split it into two tickets, especially for Oz origin pax. Gemuser
60 LOUMEL : [ my reading is that there's a couple of ways around the tax. with the obvouis one being If you board your flight in any Contintal (or Irish) airport
61 Ben175 : In my opinion they should use that aircraft for a longer range route. The 77W is always welcome here in PER
62 Alangirvan : Just remember it is only a PROPOSAL at this stage. The NZ Prime Minister has already been to London, and we can expect every world leader to discuss
63 REALDEAL : so why would they use Our Airline aircraft rather than their own ?
64 Post contains links Allrite : The government should release the Aviation green paper tomorrow. According to The Australian it will retain the ban on foreign carriers operating dome
65 Post contains links Boof : Most of the things mentioned I think we all expected but this I didn't expect: We're committed to second Sydney airport: minister The Federal Governm
66 Gemuser : Ha Ha Ha! No government is prepared to accept the political flack that would be required! Gemuser
67 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Full details are here! http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/nap/ This is all pretty underwhelming. Nothing significant in this.... more of the sa
68 REALDEAL : sounds like NTL to be upgraded ??? The cheapest way to connect NTL to Sydney would be to build a monorail which could probably go on top of existing
69 Gemuser : On the current railway infrastructure it would be too slow. Monorails suffer from sharp curves & gradients even more than conventional trains. The be
70 DJMEL : Sorry Boof, To rain on your parade of mentioning the Premium Economy Enhancements on DJ, I mentioned these on the last Australian Aviation Thread and
71 Thegeek : Can you say BUS? Really, the need to connect NTL to SYD is so low as to be not really worth worrying about. Connecting Newcastle city to SYD/Sydney C
72 Bill142 : Second Sydney airport will be NTL or CBR. Both will only require upgrades, tho significant, rather than building from scratch. That will be the cheape
73 Tayser : Interesting tid-bit from the green-paper: "As an example, Jetstar Asia currently operates out of Singapore, but because there are no seventh freedom r
74 GneissGuy : Singapore as an open skies agreement with USA. It is only the Australian government that is preventing SIA from operating trans-pacific flights betwee
75 Sydscott : At the moment what more do we expect from the Government? SInce they got into office they've done nothing but talk and hold enquiries. But this seems
76 ANstar : Why not Richmond? Surely that would be better than CBR or NTL as it has a better catchment and could work well as a LCC airport ( al a Avalon) and se
77 Sparklehorse12 : I just can't see that the Premium Economy 'Enhancements" are going to make a huge difference. In the times I have flown DJ(which is plenty) I have se
78 Gemuser : I suppose if you say it often enough people might believe you! If you READ the text of the current SIN/USA "Open Skies" agreement you will quickly se
79 Sydscott : Last time RAAF base Richmond was looked it, it was deemed too expensive to extend the appropriate transport infrastructure (aka roads & rail) out to
80 TN486 : Totally agree, however, at what cost, and who would pay for it? (the rail infrastructure that is). What would happen to the RAAF at NTL (I assume we a
81 TN486 : Sorry people,this should have been a precursor to my last post. Didnt press the right buttons.
82 TN486 : Is not the main problem with this solution NOISE?
83 DJMEL : I just can't see that the Premium Economy 'Enhancements" are going to make a huge difference. In the times I have flown DJ(which is plenty) I have se
84 Post contains links Gemuser : In Australian Aviation thread 20 there was considrable discussion about a QF/SQ merger. I dismissed it due to "cultural differences" some agreed some
85 Gemuser : Cost = BILLIONS. My guess about $10B including relocating the RAAF and transport infrastructure RAAF = go elsewhere, while they could stay even now t
86 REALDEAL : sounds like NTL to be upgraded ??? The cheapest way to connect NTL to Sydney would be to build a monorail which could probably go on top of existing
87 Allrite : The problem is that, due to this city's dysfunctional transportation system (including road) any alternate Sydney airport is at least 1.5 - 2 hours fr
88 Allrite : In one of the many articles about the proposed merger in yesterday's papers I read that there was bad blood between QF and CX which would make a merg
89 REALDEAL : bloody fog !!! Does NTL have ANY fog problems at all ?
90 QFYMML : The cheapest way would be to put on a few coaches hauling pax to some transfer point in Sydney & they would just have to suck it up with respect to t
91 Jetfuel : Simple. Increase aircraft size into SYD and reduce movements whilst increasing capacity. This is a worldwide issue and is the only real answer
92 Thegeek : It's not. Really, SYD is going to be Sydney's only wide body capable airport for at least 20 years. What happens then when there's a problem? (which
93 TruemanQLD : Does anyone know how OOL - Japan flights are going? I read in the local paper that current market from Japan to Aus is 133,000 people annualy and OOL
94 ANstar : I think the current cap is 80 flights, so it is operating at 2/3 of capacity. Also, my understanding is that even when things go wrong, the 80 cap pe
95 Post contains links DJ748 : Apparently they are going quite well, even better than when the flights were routed through BNE. Here's the link - http://www.goldcoast.com.au/articl
96 Allrite : I read that Qantas wants to increase, or at least maintain, capacity to Japan due to the fall of the Aussie dollar. Let's see in March when I might b
97 TruemanQLD : Thanks for that... suprising though as I still thought BNE would have had more passenger numbers.
98 REALDEAL : Coaches are an option but very slow. Express trains could use existing tracks & then at some point close to NTL a new track could be added to NTL. Su
99 Allrite : Small note, when I caught the Murrays coach back from Canberra to Sydney on Monday it stopped at Sydney's International Terminal and a number of pass
100 Aerokiwi : Wouldn't a high-speed rail link to Canberra ease problems with traffic at SYD? Are there so many flights that the discontinuation of SYD-CBR services
101 Smi0006 : Not sure about that perhaps, However from a personal perspective I would much rather see Canberra expanded as an International Airport than Newcastle
102 QFYMML : Actually I think it's not that easy. The express trains would still be sharing the tracks with the regular intercity, freight trains & Country Link s
103 REALDEAL : you misunderstood,meant a "track" like monrail track inside 1 track (not between 2 existing tracks) . Culd be done relatively cheaply. Australians wi
104 VHVXB : Possibly though I highly doubt it It appears that Emirates will initially operate a 3 weekly service with the A380 on DXB-SYD-AKL instead of the dail
105 DJ748 : That's one of the reasons why we aren't seeing any commercial operations out of the Amberley base. The other was 9/11. I was talking to the local cou
106 Post contains links Travelhound : ARTC (Australian Rail Track Corporation) is currently spending $800 million on new track to separate freight from passenger rail on the Syd - Newcast
107 REALDEAL : 1. who cares what RAAF thinks - they are after all public servants & do as they are told 2. who said if NTL was upgraded that RAAF would have to scal
108 REALDEAL : Qantas just cancelled BNE/LAX/BNE 30JAN. When will BNE/LAX become daily again with QF ? Probably not for a year or so, with VA starting in just under
109 747m8te : I thought the issue Airservices Australia was having was they weren't getting enough quality applicants, as they had been advertising quite heavily a
110 Gemuser : BUT it has a price (cost)! It costs serious $$$ to move a major military base. Again there is a cost. Quick - what's one thing fighters have that air
111 Allrite : The only real points for developing a second airport for a city is if your first airport is 1) congested or 2) poorly located for a significant popul
112 Smi0006 : I highlighted the fact that on number of occasions flying into NTL with QFlink we were delayed due to RAAF activity, that was about four flights a da
113 TN486 : In my many years of human life I have learnt that one needs to respect all opinions(although not necessarily agree with them) but the above is really
114 Thegeek : I haven't heard that before. It sounds pretty stupid. This is so obvious that I find it hard to fathom that there is so little planning from the regu
115 PITrules : I follow events in Sydney and Australia in general with interest; here's my two cents on a 2nd SYD airport. Any notion that Sydney is a congested airp
116 Travelhound : My understanding of the issues are limited, but I had it explained to me building the original runway did have more of an environmental impact than f
117 PITrules : I believe the currents in the bay have been altered more than expected, resulting in sand bars developing where they previously have not, and things
118 Travelhound : The roads onto the Gateway Bridge (Brisbane) have been sinking for years. On the northern entry the sink-age is quite evident with a big bump and tha
119 ANstar : Yeah - I recall seeing it in a Virgin blue press release or something I think it was daily for a month or so as the extra service was only recent if
120 The Coachman : Once again, REALDEAL is shown up for not being across the issues on which he/she pontificates. The Sydney to Newcastle rail line is unable to be done
121 Post contains links ANstar : Virgin Blue seek to delay their 3rd and 4th 777. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...story/0,28124,24757422-643,00.html Makes sense really - you do
122 Thegeek : Actually the North Strathfield-Hornsby-Mt Colah section is quite straight compared to the rest of the track. Even the curves are still good for 70km/
123 Jamie86 : When are QF's next 2 A380s arriving? Is it still this month?
124 ANstar : I think one is due mid month and the other around the 30th
125 Post contains links and images QF175 : Some photos of the recently expanded and refreshed, Brisbane International Terminal: Source And finally, another render of the planned Domestic Termin
126 Post contains links Boof : Mate no worries. You didn't rain on my parade but you did quote an internal document that the rest of the world cannot see. How many times have we he
127 Travelhound : I'll add my 2 cents worth as well. The problem I see with the 2nd airport scenarios we are painting is that they are very much Sydney centric. As I s
128 PITrules : The NYC airports do not operate in harmony, trust me! For example, JFK's runways are extremely underutilized because of airspace conflicts with LGA.
129 TruemanQLD : I agree that rather than creating a second airport, travel should be spread around Australia. Take BNE as an example with Japanese tourists, most were
130 Huaiwei : If Gemuser's theories of "cultural differences" are true, QF will have major problems merging or even cooperating with any Asian airline.
131 Allrite : The article I read singled out CX specifically for bad blood and that's the issue I'm curious about. If you continue to doubt that serious cultural (
132 Gemuser : That is an accurate statement of my beliefs. Note: "difficult" not impossible with "any" Asian airline, impossible with SQ. I also believe the same t
133 DJ748 : I heard on the Channel 7 news here in Brisbane that the Ipswich City Council is getting close to finalising plans for an brand new airport here in Ips
134 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ expands Aussie aviation business Air New Zealand's Australian aerospace services company, TAE, has bought its second company across the Tasman
135 Sparklehorse12 : My feeling is that QF cannot afford to ignore an Asian tie-up and the pursuit of BA is just a predictable aspiration that will only serve to enforce
136 Huaiwei : Perhaps I would just like to point out that completely dismissing the potential problems of cultural or politico-cultural issues cropping into busine
137 ANstar : Speaking of Malaysia, it looks like MAS will be flying to Darwin next year with their new 737-800's.
138 Allrite : Thanks for the discussion and the articles Huaiwei! It would be interesting to see what goes on in the longer term. Cultural differences often play ou
139 Post contains links Allrite : Airservices Australia has released an online tool WebTrak website
140 6thfreedom : I don't see this happening. where's the market? and in the current environment, why would they launch a new destination? 2009 will be a year to lay l
141 Post contains links DJ748 : We now have a firm delivery date for V Australia's first 77W - Australia Day!!! Here's the link: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24789139-
142 Post contains links Huaiwei : It is always a pleasure to have open discussions on topics often considered taboo, especially in an aviation forum! It would be in the buyer's intere
143 REALDEAL : who said anything about moving the RAAF ? point was if u live in BNE, why on earth would u want to go to MEL & have to pay for some accom, whne u cou
144 Zkpilot : If they are fully loaded they do indeed need a lot of runway to takeoff... the main issue is they need a lot of runway to land on since they don't ge
145 ANstar : I'd say wither SYD or MEL and given that there is more room around BNE I would say BNE will see it first.
146 The Coachman : Obviously the right stuff REALDEAL. May I recommend an alternative peddler? Do you realise how long the trip is? Some of the distance...haha...there a
147 REALDEAL : with the current govt who will probably be in power for another 23 months, says airport won't be in sydney basin them it's realistically got to be NT
148 Tayser : Sydney-Canberra has a more favourable terrain for high speed services, and it's also an alignment which rightly so would receive more federal support
149 TN486 : should that read $600-$700 MILLION ??
150 Post contains links ANstar : QF's 2nd A380 has been handed over. http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2008/dec08/3866 Looks like the next one will be put into
151 VH-KCT* : Fairly obvious you've never had anything to do with air traffic control. I just hope it stays that way.
152 Tayser : hah, yes it shoud
153 REALDEAL : like most training courses/uni courses etc. most could be completed in 1/2 time or less, but lecturuers have to justify their employment !!! We're no
154 The Coachman : Pretty poor way of acknowledging the elephant in the room REALDEAL. ATC was under question not VA fares. The fewer people respond to your rants the be
155 VH-KCT* : Utter tosh. All of it. And now I'll follow the advice of The Coachman and pipe down.
156 REALDEAL : Give us a break. We all know most training courses are a big waste of time, especially those for public servants. Wish we would get rid of all those
157 LeonJunior : does anyone know why CX is codesharing with airasia x on today's flight in and out of melbourne airport according to the melbourne airport website.
158 Aussie_ : Air Asia have chartered CX aircraft before - maybe that's what it is?
159 Post contains links Zkpilot : DL to fly LAX-SYD next year!!! http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4250377/ Good luck to them looks like they will be usi
160 Alangirvan : The V Australia service to America was going to link with Northwest. Has that agreement survived the DL/NW merger? The new DL service and the V Austra
161 Post contains links NZ560 : Two killed after planes collide in Sydney
162 777ER : Just had a look on VA booking site and the only seats left on their launch date for SYD-LAX are V Saver, V Flexi and Premium Flexi. All other deals (V
163 Post contains links Allrite : Qantas announces that the BA merger is off.
164 TruemanQLD : Shame really.... It would have made an impressive airline with BA aswell... maybe this leads the way open for a merger with another airline. MH sprin
165 Post contains links QF744 : Here's a good story about the growth of DJ... Also talks about Premium Econ being rolled out across the Pacific Blue fleet! http://www.spicenews.com.a
166 REALDEAL : UA wil surely be the big loser out of SYD, but don't think DL will pick up much traffic from outside SYD. Seems to make sense than DL/VA codeshare, g
167 Airvan00 : Well they have upsized QF25 on that date to a 744, MEL-ALK-LAX, so 2 ALK-LAX flights that day. Maybe a lot of Kiwis going on holiday
168 Legacyins : I read somewhere that QF will fly in their A380 into SFO for one day during Australia week. Does anyone have any information on what date that may be?
169 Airvan00 : It's currently in the schedule for 14Jan09 QF 73/QF 74 SYD-SFO-SYD
170 ZK-NBT : QF25 on this date is a 744 which hasn't been on the route for a while, the 744 from QF149 has gone to QF25 for this date only so QF149 gets the 332 w
171 Tayser : $39-58billion on the "wishlist" for a high speed rail service between Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney........ yes please.
172 DJ748 : Small question here - I went up to ROK on a day trip yesterday, flying up from home base of BNE, flying on QF's Dash-8's both ways (Q400 on the flight
173 Smi0006 : Hey Guys, Was just wondering what every ones thoughts were on the chances of UA going non-stop to MEL from now on or even going daily now not simply d
174 Airvan00 : Do u mean from LAX or SFO? From LAX it's not Q25 that is the main competition but QF94 (and on some days that it an A380). From SFO they may have a c
175 Eta unknown : TN announces temporary suspension of SYD-PPT... From 7FEB09, 2 nonstops/week will be reduced to once weekly. Then from April to October 2009, nonstop
176 ZK-NBT : UA are currently running seasonal non stop LAX-MEL service started Dec 17th runs till Feb 1st 09. They may see how this service goes and sonsider mak
177 Pilotdude09 : Not sure if it has been mentioned. Perth INTL has a nice brand new Qantas Club, well its a couple months old but a major improvement over the old one!
178 ANstar : Yeah I saw this on my last QF flight. They could have picked a captain with a bit more personality - he comes across really dull!
179 VH-BZF :
180 Allrite : Maybe John Travolta*, with a Pulp Fictionesque sequence forcefully reminding passengers to do up their seatbelt in flight. Though knowing how corpora
181 ANstar : Virgin Blue have announced they are scrapping the fuel surcharge domestically. Nice move!
182 6thfreedom : This will probably happen to allow more capacity to/from SYD to compete with VA and DL when they commence.
183 ZK-NBT : I am guessing they won't want to be to weight restricted though ex MEL but it would be good if they did make the non stop year round again.
184 Zkpilot : I haven't actually watched the new video as yet, but it is likely that he is the Chief Pilot of Qantas. He is a very serious and I guess he could com
185 TN486 : For those of you who celebrate christmas may I be presumptious and wish you all a merry christmas and a safe and happy new year. This will be the firs
186 ANstar : Whilst he may be serious (if it is the same guy) I watched the video and thought a couple of things - No personality - Lack of energy - god forbid he
187 SunriseValley : Who flies to McMurdo Sound from Australia. Is it a scheduled service , is it seasonal or what?
188 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Cairns Airport privatised... $530 million to a consortium led by JPMorgan, Westpac and Hastings Funds Management. free subscription here; http://www.b
189 FlyboyOz : Yeah....i saw it too...it has been changed since November. I flew at the end of October, I saw old safety video. But, in the beginning of November, I
190 ZK-NBT : Last 743 ops QF25 MEL-AKL-LAX on Monday 29th. Schedule is. MEL 1235 AKL 1800 AKL 1940 LAX 1035 The return on this date is a 744 so it looks like the 7
191 BNE : Its a safety video; I would rather want dull and boring; which conveys seriousness, than someone who is too happy. I liked the previous one; I was ab
192 Cpd : High speed trains? Are you kidding? They spend heaps of our money already to come up with a lengthy 400 page dossier on all the options for these tra
193 Travelhound : dd Wasn't referring to High Speed trains like in France, Germany, Japan, etc; but high speed trains like the Queensland tilt-trains. Once track improv
194 Post contains links Travelhound : ............. or maybe not: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24844502-952,00.html
195 TruemanQLD : IIRC the majority of these trips are of the slower trains taking up to 31 hours - Tilt Train takes roughly 14 hours I believe (but I could be wrong)
196 TruemanQLD : Does anyone know what comercial aircraft will be attending the 2009 Avalon Air Show?
197 ANstar : I understand being serious, but this guy looks like he could be about to have a stroke or somethgin. God forbid he had to act quickly in an emergency
198 28L28L : Does anyone know the acft. reg. # for the last QF 747-338 flight? I know it was supposed to be QF25 on 29 Dec. Did the A380 diversion have an impact o
199 QANTAS077 : rumour has it that SQ will be sending the A330-300 to PER/BNE & ADL from some time in 2009.
200 Boof : Rumour has it that a fat bloke in a red suit visited every kids house last week but I've not seen a source for that either?? Anyway hope all had a gr
201 QANTAS077 : try looking around the forum...I posted the info in another thread with SQ press release.
202 Post contains links Allrite : The Australian Aviation Thread #22 is now open.
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